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I am an Indian student in Germany. As far as I know, students hold a Schengen Visa Type D. I have my visa extended until 2018. I have a friend from Macedonia I would like to visit soon. I checked up on the website of Macedonia and found this:




Entry in the Republic of Macedonia for Schengen Visa Holders



Citizens of the following countries are not required to have entry
visa for the Republic of Macedonia:




  1. EU member countries and signatories of the Schengen Agreement



    have the right to enter the Republic of Macedonia with a valid ID card.




  2. Third countries with permanent stay in an EU member country or signatory country of the Schengen Agreement



    may stay in the Republic of Macedonia for up to 15 (fifteen) days upon every entry to the territory of the Republic of Macedonia, and
    the total amount of the subsequent stays in the Republic of Macedonia
    must not be longer than 3 (three) months within a six-months period,
    starting from the date of the first entry.




  3. Third countries with multiple entry short stay Schengen visa type C valid at least 5 (five) days beyond the intended stay in the Republic of Macedonia.



    may stay in the Republic of Macedonia for up to 15 (fifteen) days upon every entry to the territory of the Republic of Macedonia, and
    the total amount of the subsequent stays in the Republic of Macedonia
    must not be longer than 3 (three) months within a six-months period,
    starting from the date of the first entry.





I do not fall under category 1 or 3 is what I believe. Do I fall under category 2 (I cannot understand this statement completely)? Or do I have to get a visa prior to traveling to Macedonia?



Also, do I have to get an invite letter from my friend in case immigration officials ask me for anything on arrival?



And will my passport be stamped on entry and exit?










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  • For sure you do NOT fall into category 2, it does not apply to you. You MIGHT qualify for category 3 if Macedonia treats a German type "D" visa as fungible. In all cases you should carry the documentation with you, like invitation.

    – Gayot Fow
    Apr 18 '16 at 11:59











  • @GayotFow Yes, I will do that. Meanwhile, is there any other way I can get info regarding this. Emails didnt help as yet.

    – trollster
    Apr 22 '16 at 12:45















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I am an Indian student in Germany. As far as I know, students hold a Schengen Visa Type D. I have my visa extended until 2018. I have a friend from Macedonia I would like to visit soon. I checked up on the website of Macedonia and found this:




Entry in the Republic of Macedonia for Schengen Visa Holders



Citizens of the following countries are not required to have entry
visa for the Republic of Macedonia:




  1. EU member countries and signatories of the Schengen Agreement



    have the right to enter the Republic of Macedonia with a valid ID card.




  2. Third countries with permanent stay in an EU member country or signatory country of the Schengen Agreement



    may stay in the Republic of Macedonia for up to 15 (fifteen) days upon every entry to the territory of the Republic of Macedonia, and
    the total amount of the subsequent stays in the Republic of Macedonia
    must not be longer than 3 (three) months within a six-months period,
    starting from the date of the first entry.




  3. Third countries with multiple entry short stay Schengen visa type C valid at least 5 (five) days beyond the intended stay in the Republic of Macedonia.



    may stay in the Republic of Macedonia for up to 15 (fifteen) days upon every entry to the territory of the Republic of Macedonia, and
    the total amount of the subsequent stays in the Republic of Macedonia
    must not be longer than 3 (three) months within a six-months period,
    starting from the date of the first entry.





I do not fall under category 1 or 3 is what I believe. Do I fall under category 2 (I cannot understand this statement completely)? Or do I have to get a visa prior to traveling to Macedonia?



Also, do I have to get an invite letter from my friend in case immigration officials ask me for anything on arrival?



And will my passport be stamped on entry and exit?










share|improve this question






















  • For sure you do NOT fall into category 2, it does not apply to you. You MIGHT qualify for category 3 if Macedonia treats a German type "D" visa as fungible. In all cases you should carry the documentation with you, like invitation.

    – Gayot Fow
    Apr 18 '16 at 11:59











  • @GayotFow Yes, I will do that. Meanwhile, is there any other way I can get info regarding this. Emails didnt help as yet.

    – trollster
    Apr 22 '16 at 12:45













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I am an Indian student in Germany. As far as I know, students hold a Schengen Visa Type D. I have my visa extended until 2018. I have a friend from Macedonia I would like to visit soon. I checked up on the website of Macedonia and found this:




Entry in the Republic of Macedonia for Schengen Visa Holders



Citizens of the following countries are not required to have entry
visa for the Republic of Macedonia:




  1. EU member countries and signatories of the Schengen Agreement



    have the right to enter the Republic of Macedonia with a valid ID card.




  2. Third countries with permanent stay in an EU member country or signatory country of the Schengen Agreement



    may stay in the Republic of Macedonia for up to 15 (fifteen) days upon every entry to the territory of the Republic of Macedonia, and
    the total amount of the subsequent stays in the Republic of Macedonia
    must not be longer than 3 (three) months within a six-months period,
    starting from the date of the first entry.




  3. Third countries with multiple entry short stay Schengen visa type C valid at least 5 (five) days beyond the intended stay in the Republic of Macedonia.



    may stay in the Republic of Macedonia for up to 15 (fifteen) days upon every entry to the territory of the Republic of Macedonia, and
    the total amount of the subsequent stays in the Republic of Macedonia
    must not be longer than 3 (three) months within a six-months period,
    starting from the date of the first entry.





I do not fall under category 1 or 3 is what I believe. Do I fall under category 2 (I cannot understand this statement completely)? Or do I have to get a visa prior to traveling to Macedonia?



Also, do I have to get an invite letter from my friend in case immigration officials ask me for anything on arrival?



And will my passport be stamped on entry and exit?










share|improve this question














I am an Indian student in Germany. As far as I know, students hold a Schengen Visa Type D. I have my visa extended until 2018. I have a friend from Macedonia I would like to visit soon. I checked up on the website of Macedonia and found this:




Entry in the Republic of Macedonia for Schengen Visa Holders



Citizens of the following countries are not required to have entry
visa for the Republic of Macedonia:




  1. EU member countries and signatories of the Schengen Agreement



    have the right to enter the Republic of Macedonia with a valid ID card.




  2. Third countries with permanent stay in an EU member country or signatory country of the Schengen Agreement



    may stay in the Republic of Macedonia for up to 15 (fifteen) days upon every entry to the territory of the Republic of Macedonia, and
    the total amount of the subsequent stays in the Republic of Macedonia
    must not be longer than 3 (three) months within a six-months period,
    starting from the date of the first entry.




  3. Third countries with multiple entry short stay Schengen visa type C valid at least 5 (five) days beyond the intended stay in the Republic of Macedonia.



    may stay in the Republic of Macedonia for up to 15 (fifteen) days upon every entry to the territory of the Republic of Macedonia, and
    the total amount of the subsequent stays in the Republic of Macedonia
    must not be longer than 3 (three) months within a six-months period,
    starting from the date of the first entry.





I do not fall under category 1 or 3 is what I believe. Do I fall under category 2 (I cannot understand this statement completely)? Or do I have to get a visa prior to traveling to Macedonia?



Also, do I have to get an invite letter from my friend in case immigration officials ask me for anything on arrival?



And will my passport be stamped on entry and exit?







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  • For sure you do NOT fall into category 2, it does not apply to you. You MIGHT qualify for category 3 if Macedonia treats a German type "D" visa as fungible. In all cases you should carry the documentation with you, like invitation.

    – Gayot Fow
    Apr 18 '16 at 11:59











  • @GayotFow Yes, I will do that. Meanwhile, is there any other way I can get info regarding this. Emails didnt help as yet.

    – trollster
    Apr 22 '16 at 12:45

















  • For sure you do NOT fall into category 2, it does not apply to you. You MIGHT qualify for category 3 if Macedonia treats a German type "D" visa as fungible. In all cases you should carry the documentation with you, like invitation.

    – Gayot Fow
    Apr 18 '16 at 11:59











  • @GayotFow Yes, I will do that. Meanwhile, is there any other way I can get info regarding this. Emails didnt help as yet.

    – trollster
    Apr 22 '16 at 12:45
















For sure you do NOT fall into category 2, it does not apply to you. You MIGHT qualify for category 3 if Macedonia treats a German type "D" visa as fungible. In all cases you should carry the documentation with you, like invitation.

– Gayot Fow
Apr 18 '16 at 11:59





For sure you do NOT fall into category 2, it does not apply to you. You MIGHT qualify for category 3 if Macedonia treats a German type "D" visa as fungible. In all cases you should carry the documentation with you, like invitation.

– Gayot Fow
Apr 18 '16 at 11:59













@GayotFow Yes, I will do that. Meanwhile, is there any other way I can get info regarding this. Emails didnt help as yet.

– trollster
Apr 22 '16 at 12:45





@GayotFow Yes, I will do that. Meanwhile, is there any other way I can get info regarding this. Emails didnt help as yet.

– trollster
Apr 22 '16 at 12:45










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As far as I know, foreign students in Germany holds residence permit instead of Schengen visa D. Could you check once again?



A Schengen visa D is a green visa label in your passport with type D. This kind of visa could be only valid for the issuing country (say the item "valid for"). That means in this case, "Deutschland". If such situation applies, you cannot even use your visa to another country, e.g. France, Austria, etc. And this visa could be valid only for single entry.



A residence permit is a red card or a red visa label in your passport, with type "Aufenthaltserlaubnis" for foreign students. This permit entitles you visit the whole Schengen area and is multi-entries valid.



Normally a foreign student uses a Type D visa to enter Germany and then extended to a residence permit.



In both upper situations, you are not fall into category 2. Because you are not a PERMANENT resident. In the first situation, you may even not visit other Schengen countries.



A residence permit sometimes can be treated as a multi-entries Schengen visa. But the regulation of Macedonia is different, it indicates that you should use a "type C short stay" multi-entries Schengen visa. A residence permit is not a "short stay" visa. Although I know somebody uses residence permit to enter Macedonia. I know also some guys be refused.



You should better ask the consulate and apply a visa for Macedonia.



As far as I know (situation in the year of 2014), other non-EU Yugoslavian countries, Montenegro, BiH, Kosovo, Serbia, only require multi-entries Schengen visa, which means you can use residence permit. But Macedonia is the only country requires a Type-C multi-entries visa.






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  • I initially got my 3 month visa which I extended after coming to Germany. I showed my visa to border controls in Austria, Hungary and Belgium and I had no issues. I was also told the visa can be used to go to any schengen country as long as it is multiple, which I think it is in my case because I have been to more than 5 countries already within the schengen zone.

    – trollster
    Apr 25 '16 at 12:34











  • I will follow up with the Macedonian consulate for the visa in such a case then.

    – trollster
    Apr 25 '16 at 12:35











  • "I was also told the visa can be used to go to any schengen country as long as it is multiple, which I think it is in my case because I have been to more than 5 countries already within the schengen zone." This is not correct, you are entitled only to visit the countries in "valid for / gültig für" item in your visa. Although the border control inside Schengen are not strict, you will face problem in special cases as you are not legally enter the country.

    – Shuangistan
    Apr 25 '16 at 12:38












  • I just checked my visa, the initial one I got was for Germany, but the extended permit I have until 2018 does not have any such column. Anyway, thanks for notifying me about it. Will keep this in mind when travelling in future.

    – trollster
    Apr 25 '16 at 12:41






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    Unfortunately Macedonia is special, see paragraphs 6-8 of my answer. It's based on my personal and my friends experience.

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    Apr 25 '16 at 12:47









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As far as I know, foreign students in Germany holds residence permit instead of Schengen visa D. Could you check once again?



A Schengen visa D is a green visa label in your passport with type D. This kind of visa could be only valid for the issuing country (say the item "valid for"). That means in this case, "Deutschland". If such situation applies, you cannot even use your visa to another country, e.g. France, Austria, etc. And this visa could be valid only for single entry.



A residence permit is a red card or a red visa label in your passport, with type "Aufenthaltserlaubnis" for foreign students. This permit entitles you visit the whole Schengen area and is multi-entries valid.



Normally a foreign student uses a Type D visa to enter Germany and then extended to a residence permit.



In both upper situations, you are not fall into category 2. Because you are not a PERMANENT resident. In the first situation, you may even not visit other Schengen countries.



A residence permit sometimes can be treated as a multi-entries Schengen visa. But the regulation of Macedonia is different, it indicates that you should use a "type C short stay" multi-entries Schengen visa. A residence permit is not a "short stay" visa. Although I know somebody uses residence permit to enter Macedonia. I know also some guys be refused.



You should better ask the consulate and apply a visa for Macedonia.



As far as I know (situation in the year of 2014), other non-EU Yugoslavian countries, Montenegro, BiH, Kosovo, Serbia, only require multi-entries Schengen visa, which means you can use residence permit. But Macedonia is the only country requires a Type-C multi-entries visa.






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  • I initially got my 3 month visa which I extended after coming to Germany. I showed my visa to border controls in Austria, Hungary and Belgium and I had no issues. I was also told the visa can be used to go to any schengen country as long as it is multiple, which I think it is in my case because I have been to more than 5 countries already within the schengen zone.

    – trollster
    Apr 25 '16 at 12:34











  • I will follow up with the Macedonian consulate for the visa in such a case then.

    – trollster
    Apr 25 '16 at 12:35











  • "I was also told the visa can be used to go to any schengen country as long as it is multiple, which I think it is in my case because I have been to more than 5 countries already within the schengen zone." This is not correct, you are entitled only to visit the countries in "valid for / gültig für" item in your visa. Although the border control inside Schengen are not strict, you will face problem in special cases as you are not legally enter the country.

    – Shuangistan
    Apr 25 '16 at 12:38












  • I just checked my visa, the initial one I got was for Germany, but the extended permit I have until 2018 does not have any such column. Anyway, thanks for notifying me about it. Will keep this in mind when travelling in future.

    – trollster
    Apr 25 '16 at 12:41






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    Unfortunately Macedonia is special, see paragraphs 6-8 of my answer. It's based on my personal and my friends experience.

    – Shuangistan
    Apr 25 '16 at 12:47















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As far as I know, foreign students in Germany holds residence permit instead of Schengen visa D. Could you check once again?



A Schengen visa D is a green visa label in your passport with type D. This kind of visa could be only valid for the issuing country (say the item "valid for"). That means in this case, "Deutschland". If such situation applies, you cannot even use your visa to another country, e.g. France, Austria, etc. And this visa could be valid only for single entry.



A residence permit is a red card or a red visa label in your passport, with type "Aufenthaltserlaubnis" for foreign students. This permit entitles you visit the whole Schengen area and is multi-entries valid.



Normally a foreign student uses a Type D visa to enter Germany and then extended to a residence permit.



In both upper situations, you are not fall into category 2. Because you are not a PERMANENT resident. In the first situation, you may even not visit other Schengen countries.



A residence permit sometimes can be treated as a multi-entries Schengen visa. But the regulation of Macedonia is different, it indicates that you should use a "type C short stay" multi-entries Schengen visa. A residence permit is not a "short stay" visa. Although I know somebody uses residence permit to enter Macedonia. I know also some guys be refused.



You should better ask the consulate and apply a visa for Macedonia.



As far as I know (situation in the year of 2014), other non-EU Yugoslavian countries, Montenegro, BiH, Kosovo, Serbia, only require multi-entries Schengen visa, which means you can use residence permit. But Macedonia is the only country requires a Type-C multi-entries visa.






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  • I initially got my 3 month visa which I extended after coming to Germany. I showed my visa to border controls in Austria, Hungary and Belgium and I had no issues. I was also told the visa can be used to go to any schengen country as long as it is multiple, which I think it is in my case because I have been to more than 5 countries already within the schengen zone.

    – trollster
    Apr 25 '16 at 12:34











  • I will follow up with the Macedonian consulate for the visa in such a case then.

    – trollster
    Apr 25 '16 at 12:35











  • "I was also told the visa can be used to go to any schengen country as long as it is multiple, which I think it is in my case because I have been to more than 5 countries already within the schengen zone." This is not correct, you are entitled only to visit the countries in "valid for / gültig für" item in your visa. Although the border control inside Schengen are not strict, you will face problem in special cases as you are not legally enter the country.

    – Shuangistan
    Apr 25 '16 at 12:38












  • I just checked my visa, the initial one I got was for Germany, but the extended permit I have until 2018 does not have any such column. Anyway, thanks for notifying me about it. Will keep this in mind when travelling in future.

    – trollster
    Apr 25 '16 at 12:41






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    Unfortunately Macedonia is special, see paragraphs 6-8 of my answer. It's based on my personal and my friends experience.

    – Shuangistan
    Apr 25 '16 at 12:47













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As far as I know, foreign students in Germany holds residence permit instead of Schengen visa D. Could you check once again?



A Schengen visa D is a green visa label in your passport with type D. This kind of visa could be only valid for the issuing country (say the item "valid for"). That means in this case, "Deutschland". If such situation applies, you cannot even use your visa to another country, e.g. France, Austria, etc. And this visa could be valid only for single entry.



A residence permit is a red card or a red visa label in your passport, with type "Aufenthaltserlaubnis" for foreign students. This permit entitles you visit the whole Schengen area and is multi-entries valid.



Normally a foreign student uses a Type D visa to enter Germany and then extended to a residence permit.



In both upper situations, you are not fall into category 2. Because you are not a PERMANENT resident. In the first situation, you may even not visit other Schengen countries.



A residence permit sometimes can be treated as a multi-entries Schengen visa. But the regulation of Macedonia is different, it indicates that you should use a "type C short stay" multi-entries Schengen visa. A residence permit is not a "short stay" visa. Although I know somebody uses residence permit to enter Macedonia. I know also some guys be refused.



You should better ask the consulate and apply a visa for Macedonia.



As far as I know (situation in the year of 2014), other non-EU Yugoslavian countries, Montenegro, BiH, Kosovo, Serbia, only require multi-entries Schengen visa, which means you can use residence permit. But Macedonia is the only country requires a Type-C multi-entries visa.






share|improve this answer















As far as I know, foreign students in Germany holds residence permit instead of Schengen visa D. Could you check once again?



A Schengen visa D is a green visa label in your passport with type D. This kind of visa could be only valid for the issuing country (say the item "valid for"). That means in this case, "Deutschland". If such situation applies, you cannot even use your visa to another country, e.g. France, Austria, etc. And this visa could be valid only for single entry.



A residence permit is a red card or a red visa label in your passport, with type "Aufenthaltserlaubnis" for foreign students. This permit entitles you visit the whole Schengen area and is multi-entries valid.



Normally a foreign student uses a Type D visa to enter Germany and then extended to a residence permit.



In both upper situations, you are not fall into category 2. Because you are not a PERMANENT resident. In the first situation, you may even not visit other Schengen countries.



A residence permit sometimes can be treated as a multi-entries Schengen visa. But the regulation of Macedonia is different, it indicates that you should use a "type C short stay" multi-entries Schengen visa. A residence permit is not a "short stay" visa. Although I know somebody uses residence permit to enter Macedonia. I know also some guys be refused.



You should better ask the consulate and apply a visa for Macedonia.



As far as I know (situation in the year of 2014), other non-EU Yugoslavian countries, Montenegro, BiH, Kosovo, Serbia, only require multi-entries Schengen visa, which means you can use residence permit. But Macedonia is the only country requires a Type-C multi-entries visa.







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  • I initially got my 3 month visa which I extended after coming to Germany. I showed my visa to border controls in Austria, Hungary and Belgium and I had no issues. I was also told the visa can be used to go to any schengen country as long as it is multiple, which I think it is in my case because I have been to more than 5 countries already within the schengen zone.

    – trollster
    Apr 25 '16 at 12:34











  • I will follow up with the Macedonian consulate for the visa in such a case then.

    – trollster
    Apr 25 '16 at 12:35











  • "I was also told the visa can be used to go to any schengen country as long as it is multiple, which I think it is in my case because I have been to more than 5 countries already within the schengen zone." This is not correct, you are entitled only to visit the countries in "valid for / gültig für" item in your visa. Although the border control inside Schengen are not strict, you will face problem in special cases as you are not legally enter the country.

    – Shuangistan
    Apr 25 '16 at 12:38












  • I just checked my visa, the initial one I got was for Germany, but the extended permit I have until 2018 does not have any such column. Anyway, thanks for notifying me about it. Will keep this in mind when travelling in future.

    – trollster
    Apr 25 '16 at 12:41






  • 1





    Unfortunately Macedonia is special, see paragraphs 6-8 of my answer. It's based on my personal and my friends experience.

    – Shuangistan
    Apr 25 '16 at 12:47

















  • I initially got my 3 month visa which I extended after coming to Germany. I showed my visa to border controls in Austria, Hungary and Belgium and I had no issues. I was also told the visa can be used to go to any schengen country as long as it is multiple, which I think it is in my case because I have been to more than 5 countries already within the schengen zone.

    – trollster
    Apr 25 '16 at 12:34











  • I will follow up with the Macedonian consulate for the visa in such a case then.

    – trollster
    Apr 25 '16 at 12:35











  • "I was also told the visa can be used to go to any schengen country as long as it is multiple, which I think it is in my case because I have been to more than 5 countries already within the schengen zone." This is not correct, you are entitled only to visit the countries in "valid for / gültig für" item in your visa. Although the border control inside Schengen are not strict, you will face problem in special cases as you are not legally enter the country.

    – Shuangistan
    Apr 25 '16 at 12:38












  • I just checked my visa, the initial one I got was for Germany, but the extended permit I have until 2018 does not have any such column. Anyway, thanks for notifying me about it. Will keep this in mind when travelling in future.

    – trollster
    Apr 25 '16 at 12:41






  • 1





    Unfortunately Macedonia is special, see paragraphs 6-8 of my answer. It's based on my personal and my friends experience.

    – Shuangistan
    Apr 25 '16 at 12:47
















I initially got my 3 month visa which I extended after coming to Germany. I showed my visa to border controls in Austria, Hungary and Belgium and I had no issues. I was also told the visa can be used to go to any schengen country as long as it is multiple, which I think it is in my case because I have been to more than 5 countries already within the schengen zone.

– trollster
Apr 25 '16 at 12:34





I initially got my 3 month visa which I extended after coming to Germany. I showed my visa to border controls in Austria, Hungary and Belgium and I had no issues. I was also told the visa can be used to go to any schengen country as long as it is multiple, which I think it is in my case because I have been to more than 5 countries already within the schengen zone.

– trollster
Apr 25 '16 at 12:34













I will follow up with the Macedonian consulate for the visa in such a case then.

– trollster
Apr 25 '16 at 12:35





I will follow up with the Macedonian consulate for the visa in such a case then.

– trollster
Apr 25 '16 at 12:35













"I was also told the visa can be used to go to any schengen country as long as it is multiple, which I think it is in my case because I have been to more than 5 countries already within the schengen zone." This is not correct, you are entitled only to visit the countries in "valid for / gültig für" item in your visa. Although the border control inside Schengen are not strict, you will face problem in special cases as you are not legally enter the country.

– Shuangistan
Apr 25 '16 at 12:38






"I was also told the visa can be used to go to any schengen country as long as it is multiple, which I think it is in my case because I have been to more than 5 countries already within the schengen zone." This is not correct, you are entitled only to visit the countries in "valid for / gültig für" item in your visa. Although the border control inside Schengen are not strict, you will face problem in special cases as you are not legally enter the country.

– Shuangistan
Apr 25 '16 at 12:38














I just checked my visa, the initial one I got was for Germany, but the extended permit I have until 2018 does not have any such column. Anyway, thanks for notifying me about it. Will keep this in mind when travelling in future.

– trollster
Apr 25 '16 at 12:41





I just checked my visa, the initial one I got was for Germany, but the extended permit I have until 2018 does not have any such column. Anyway, thanks for notifying me about it. Will keep this in mind when travelling in future.

– trollster
Apr 25 '16 at 12:41




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1





Unfortunately Macedonia is special, see paragraphs 6-8 of my answer. It's based on my personal and my friends experience.

– Shuangistan
Apr 25 '16 at 12:47





Unfortunately Macedonia is special, see paragraphs 6-8 of my answer. It's based on my personal and my friends experience.

– Shuangistan
Apr 25 '16 at 12:47





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