Can a UK Border Immigration Officer remove a stop indicator flag?
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Today at Belfast airport I was detained for about twenty minutes while the border officer left her terminal at the primary control point (PCP) and went to review my profile/files at the secure control point.
Stop indicator. It's a simple yes/no flag and a code; no other information is available to the IO at the control point. They have to go to a secured control point to get the details.
I have previously been refused a UK visa in 2015, and earlier this year I traveled to the UK as a non-visa national and was granted entry after a lengthy detention. My trip today was once again as a non-visa national without obtaining advance entry clearance. I was asked the standard what are you visiting for, how long are you staying, and then have you ever had any problem with UK immigration, after which she took my passport and issued me with a form IS 81, asked me to take a seat, and went off into their offices.
After the officer returned, she apologized (there must be something in the water in Belfast) for holding me up and explained it was because of because of my entry clearance refusal back in 2015. Without request, she went on to say she would request the stop indicator be removed. There was no interview except the initial questions and they also did not ask for any documents.
My question is does a border control officer have the authority to request a stop indicator to be removed, or was she just blowing hot air up my behind? My understanding from reading answers here has been that pretty much nothing can be done about a stop indicator for at least ten years.
There is nothing that can be done about it and there is no way to purge it from their records. They are entitled to make a notation and if it has meaning for them, so be it. Just go about your business and deal with them in a stand up way and let them look up whatever they want.
Scouring the internet, I come across a solution by one person who supposedly had a similar problem
I was in the same boat as you, until a very nice immigration officer stopped me and advised me what to do; I emailed home office UKBAeuropeanenquiries@ukba.gsi.gov.uk and cc:UKBACustomerComplaints@homeoffice.gsi.gov.uk
Write professionally, and explain your problem. They will then look into your case and remove that notification of your profile. It took them one month to respond but the case worker was very apologetic.
One would think if an IO requested the traveler to do this to resolve the situation, then IO himself/herself cannot make such a request contrary to what my IO told me today. Worth noting though that this fellow had indefinite leave to remain (which I assume gives him more rights with UK immigration) while I am merely a visitor.
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Today at Belfast airport I was detained for about twenty minutes while the border officer left her terminal at the primary control point (PCP) and went to review my profile/files at the secure control point.
Stop indicator. It's a simple yes/no flag and a code; no other information is available to the IO at the control point. They have to go to a secured control point to get the details.
I have previously been refused a UK visa in 2015, and earlier this year I traveled to the UK as a non-visa national and was granted entry after a lengthy detention. My trip today was once again as a non-visa national without obtaining advance entry clearance. I was asked the standard what are you visiting for, how long are you staying, and then have you ever had any problem with UK immigration, after which she took my passport and issued me with a form IS 81, asked me to take a seat, and went off into their offices.
After the officer returned, she apologized (there must be something in the water in Belfast) for holding me up and explained it was because of because of my entry clearance refusal back in 2015. Without request, she went on to say she would request the stop indicator be removed. There was no interview except the initial questions and they also did not ask for any documents.
My question is does a border control officer have the authority to request a stop indicator to be removed, or was she just blowing hot air up my behind? My understanding from reading answers here has been that pretty much nothing can be done about a stop indicator for at least ten years.
There is nothing that can be done about it and there is no way to purge it from their records. They are entitled to make a notation and if it has meaning for them, so be it. Just go about your business and deal with them in a stand up way and let them look up whatever they want.
Scouring the internet, I come across a solution by one person who supposedly had a similar problem
I was in the same boat as you, until a very nice immigration officer stopped me and advised me what to do; I emailed home office UKBAeuropeanenquiries@ukba.gsi.gov.uk and cc:UKBACustomerComplaints@homeoffice.gsi.gov.uk
Write professionally, and explain your problem. They will then look into your case and remove that notification of your profile. It took them one month to respond but the case worker was very apologetic.
One would think if an IO requested the traveler to do this to resolve the situation, then IO himself/herself cannot make such a request contrary to what my IO told me today. Worth noting though that this fellow had indefinite leave to remain (which I assume gives him more rights with UK immigration) while I am merely a visitor.
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Even if they purge the stop indicator you'll still have to answer 'yes' to 'have you had issues with UK immigration' and that would always incur a delay.
– JonathanReez♦
Jul 8 '17 at 11:39
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Do you want to know if an IO can 'request' it? Or if such a request will be actioned?
– Gayot Fow
Jul 8 '17 at 13:23
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@JonathanReez That's not a typical question they ask if there is no stop indicator.
– greatone
Jul 8 '17 at 15:20
@PaulofOsawatomie I can give an answer, but it is somewhat discouraging.
– Gayot Fow
Jul 9 '17 at 4:50
@PaulofOsawatomie I answered, you can provide me with your age, sex, location (ASL) and I may be able to deduce more, or I may not. It's the best answer I can do given all that's known.
– Gayot Fow
Jul 9 '17 at 16:20
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Today at Belfast airport I was detained for about twenty minutes while the border officer left her terminal at the primary control point (PCP) and went to review my profile/files at the secure control point.
Stop indicator. It's a simple yes/no flag and a code; no other information is available to the IO at the control point. They have to go to a secured control point to get the details.
I have previously been refused a UK visa in 2015, and earlier this year I traveled to the UK as a non-visa national and was granted entry after a lengthy detention. My trip today was once again as a non-visa national without obtaining advance entry clearance. I was asked the standard what are you visiting for, how long are you staying, and then have you ever had any problem with UK immigration, after which she took my passport and issued me with a form IS 81, asked me to take a seat, and went off into their offices.
After the officer returned, she apologized (there must be something in the water in Belfast) for holding me up and explained it was because of because of my entry clearance refusal back in 2015. Without request, she went on to say she would request the stop indicator be removed. There was no interview except the initial questions and they also did not ask for any documents.
My question is does a border control officer have the authority to request a stop indicator to be removed, or was she just blowing hot air up my behind? My understanding from reading answers here has been that pretty much nothing can be done about a stop indicator for at least ten years.
There is nothing that can be done about it and there is no way to purge it from their records. They are entitled to make a notation and if it has meaning for them, so be it. Just go about your business and deal with them in a stand up way and let them look up whatever they want.
Scouring the internet, I come across a solution by one person who supposedly had a similar problem
I was in the same boat as you, until a very nice immigration officer stopped me and advised me what to do; I emailed home office UKBAeuropeanenquiries@ukba.gsi.gov.uk and cc:UKBACustomerComplaints@homeoffice.gsi.gov.uk
Write professionally, and explain your problem. They will then look into your case and remove that notification of your profile. It took them one month to respond but the case worker was very apologetic.
One would think if an IO requested the traveler to do this to resolve the situation, then IO himself/herself cannot make such a request contrary to what my IO told me today. Worth noting though that this fellow had indefinite leave to remain (which I assume gives him more rights with UK immigration) while I am merely a visitor.
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asked Jul 8 '17 at 11:21
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Today at Belfast airport I was detained for about twenty minutes while the border officer left her terminal at the primary control point (PCP) and went to review my profile/files at the secure control point.
Stop indicator. It's a simple yes/no flag and a code; no other information is available to the IO at the control point. They have to go to a secured control point to get the details.
I have previously been refused a UK visa in 2015, and earlier this year I traveled to the UK as a non-visa national and was granted entry after a lengthy detention. My trip today was once again as a non-visa national without obtaining advance entry clearance. I was asked the standard what are you visiting for, how long are you staying, and then have you ever had any problem with UK immigration, after which she took my passport and issued me with a form IS 81, asked me to take a seat, and went off into their offices.
After the officer returned, she apologized (there must be something in the water in Belfast) for holding me up and explained it was because of because of my entry clearance refusal back in 2015. Without request, she went on to say she would request the stop indicator be removed. There was no interview except the initial questions and they also did not ask for any documents.
My question is does a border control officer have the authority to request a stop indicator to be removed, or was she just blowing hot air up my behind? My understanding from reading answers here has been that pretty much nothing can be done about a stop indicator for at least ten years.
There is nothing that can be done about it and there is no way to purge it from their records. They are entitled to make a notation and if it has meaning for them, so be it. Just go about your business and deal with them in a stand up way and let them look up whatever they want.
Scouring the internet, I come across a solution by one person who supposedly had a similar problem
I was in the same boat as you, until a very nice immigration officer stopped me and advised me what to do; I emailed home office UKBAeuropeanenquiries@ukba.gsi.gov.uk and cc:UKBACustomerComplaints@homeoffice.gsi.gov.uk
Write professionally, and explain your problem. They will then look into your case and remove that notification of your profile. It took them one month to respond but the case worker was very apologetic.
One would think if an IO requested the traveler to do this to resolve the situation, then IO himself/herself cannot make such a request contrary to what my IO told me today. Worth noting though that this fellow had indefinite leave to remain (which I assume gives him more rights with UK immigration) while I am merely a visitor.
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Even if they purge the stop indicator you'll still have to answer 'yes' to 'have you had issues with UK immigration' and that would always incur a delay.
– JonathanReez♦
Jul 8 '17 at 11:39
1
Do you want to know if an IO can 'request' it? Or if such a request will be actioned?
– Gayot Fow
Jul 8 '17 at 13:23
5
@JonathanReez That's not a typical question they ask if there is no stop indicator.
– greatone
Jul 8 '17 at 15:20
@PaulofOsawatomie I can give an answer, but it is somewhat discouraging.
– Gayot Fow
Jul 9 '17 at 4:50
@PaulofOsawatomie I answered, you can provide me with your age, sex, location (ASL) and I may be able to deduce more, or I may not. It's the best answer I can do given all that's known.
– Gayot Fow
Jul 9 '17 at 16:20
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Even if they purge the stop indicator you'll still have to answer 'yes' to 'have you had issues with UK immigration' and that would always incur a delay.
– JonathanReez♦
Jul 8 '17 at 11:39
1
Do you want to know if an IO can 'request' it? Or if such a request will be actioned?
– Gayot Fow
Jul 8 '17 at 13:23
5
@JonathanReez That's not a typical question they ask if there is no stop indicator.
– greatone
Jul 8 '17 at 15:20
@PaulofOsawatomie I can give an answer, but it is somewhat discouraging.
– Gayot Fow
Jul 9 '17 at 4:50
@PaulofOsawatomie I answered, you can provide me with your age, sex, location (ASL) and I may be able to deduce more, or I may not. It's the best answer I can do given all that's known.
– Gayot Fow
Jul 9 '17 at 16:20
Even if they purge the stop indicator you'll still have to answer 'yes' to 'have you had issues with UK immigration' and that would always incur a delay.
– JonathanReez♦
Jul 8 '17 at 11:39
Even if they purge the stop indicator you'll still have to answer 'yes' to 'have you had issues with UK immigration' and that would always incur a delay.
– JonathanReez♦
Jul 8 '17 at 11:39
1
1
Do you want to know if an IO can 'request' it? Or if such a request will be actioned?
– Gayot Fow
Jul 8 '17 at 13:23
Do you want to know if an IO can 'request' it? Or if such a request will be actioned?
– Gayot Fow
Jul 8 '17 at 13:23
5
5
@JonathanReez That's not a typical question they ask if there is no stop indicator.
– greatone
Jul 8 '17 at 15:20
@JonathanReez That's not a typical question they ask if there is no stop indicator.
– greatone
Jul 8 '17 at 15:20
@PaulofOsawatomie I can give an answer, but it is somewhat discouraging.
– Gayot Fow
Jul 9 '17 at 4:50
@PaulofOsawatomie I can give an answer, but it is somewhat discouraging.
– Gayot Fow
Jul 9 '17 at 4:50
@PaulofOsawatomie I answered, you can provide me with your age, sex, location (ASL) and I may be able to deduce more, or I may not. It's the best answer I can do given all that's known.
– Gayot Fow
Jul 9 '17 at 16:20
@PaulofOsawatomie I answered, you can provide me with your age, sex, location (ASL) and I may be able to deduce more, or I may not. It's the best answer I can do given all that's known.
– Gayot Fow
Jul 9 '17 at 16:20
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Background. When a British Immigration Officer scans your passport the scanner retrieves basic information like nationality, passport number, name, and birth date. This is taken from the passport itself. The system then takes that information and queries an internal database to see if a "stop flag" has been raised. It's a simple 'yes/no' check mark on the IO's screen. If the flag is set, the IO has the option of going to a secured workstation and seeing all the details (this is what is happening when the IO asks you to wait and then disappears from the PCP for a few moments).
The flag can be set lots of different ways such as an Interpol alert or tax issues (via HMRC) or criminal issues, but most commonly the person has had an "immigration problem" somewhere in their history.
Invariably the inspection process is delayed and this can cause the person to become embarrassed or upset, especially if the person thinks the stop flag has been wrongly set. End of background.
Your questions...
My question is does a border control officer have the authority to
request a stop indicator to be removed, or she was just blowing hot
air up my behind?
An IO will not (and can not) remove the flag by themselves; instead they can add something to your transcript which will be picked up by the 'back office' where a bureaucratic process is triggered. As far as "blowing hot air" goes, yes, an IO will say just about anything to make the inspection process go smoothly and of particular interest, they like to make everything sound very easy. Based on what you wrote, they have handed you back your passport and reset the login to the secured workstation, so what 'exactly' are they going to use to clear the flag? Did you write down their name? How are you going to chase it? So it's fine ask to the IO (in a civil tone) when and how she is going to make the amendment and what information she needs from you in order to carry this out. If they respond with some fluff you can adjust your expectations downward accordingly.
One would think if an IO requested the traveler to do this to resolve
the situation, then IO himself/herself cannot make such a request
contrary to what my IO told me today.
An IO can also make it sound real easy by giving you an email address and telling you to write to the Home Office directly. This is certainly a valid approach and one I would endorse because it's something that leaves a paper trail and hence can be chased. Bear in mind that while writing to them has some advantages, they may or may not honour your request (most likely they will not).
Worth noting though that this fellow had indefinite leave to remain
(which I assume gives him more rights with UK immigration) while I am
merely a visitor.
It's not so much that the person had ILR, but more to the point: the person applied for and successfully obtained a visa (ILR). Overall I suggest avoiding internet lore because there are many variants and nuances to each case that are not revealed by the people who write about their experiences. See also the "FOAF Syndrome" in which visa problems are legion.
For you, the ultimate remedy is to apply for and receive an entry clearance. In the application you can explain that you do not need an entry clearance, but want to apply for one anyway so as to clear up the delays and distress caused by having a stop flag raised every time you enter the UK. Normally they will clear the flag if the person applies successfully. If they do not, you would then have solid grounds for a complaint.
TL;DR
An entry clearance acts as a panacea to almost all the problems one can have with UKVI and clearing up a stop flag is no exception.
answered Jul 9 '17 at 15:38
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@PaulofOsawatomie ASL? and say if you are going to get an entry clearance also...
– Gayot Fow
Jul 9 '17 at 17:19
@PaulofOsawatomie nothing in that ASL raises something, are you being a smart ass with them? They don't like smart asses. Any other ethnic or personal impact issues I should know about?
– Gayot Fow
Jul 10 '17 at 13:17
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After being stopped a couple more times within the span of one year by UK immigration while visiting, I decided to lodge a formal complaint through the Home Office however I did not get my hopes up.
After two weeks, today I got a reply back from the UK Border Force apologizing for their admittedly unnecessary stops and notice that it will not happen again.
Hopefully this provides some direction to other people in the same predicament. For non-visa nationals, you don't absolutely have to apply for Entry Clearance (which is believed to be the way to clear previous immigration snafus on your record)
answered Jul 30 at 15:00
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This is the friendliest thing I've ever seen written under a Border Force letterhead.
– MJeffryes
Jul 30 at 15:10
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Sounds friendly, and sounds like they might have paid attention to your complaint. However, I am not convinced this is a solid promise to remove you from the list that was the supposed cause of your earlier difficulties. I would also be wary of their inability to comment on "...the nature of these additional enquiries as it is not in the public interest..." It might be a good idea to carry a copy of the letter with you the next time you visit the UK, so you can produce it should you be delayed again.
– Nick
Jul 30 at 17:13
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@Nick "...the nature of these additional enquiries as it is not in the public interest..." just means that the UK government have decided that if they tell people the conditions under which a stop flag is applied, it will undermine the effectiveness of the flag. It will be a blanket policy, and has no bearing on an individuals particular situation.
– MJeffryes
Jul 31 at 10:00
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@TheZealot Please let us know how it goes next time
– Crazydre
Jul 31 at 15:45
It is in their interests to remove unnecessary blocks- all that extra work does hell with their budget management.
– user2617804
Nov 25 at 2:37
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Background. When a British Immigration Officer scans your passport the scanner retrieves basic information like nationality, passport number, name, and birth date. This is taken from the passport itself. The system then takes that information and queries an internal database to see if a "stop flag" has been raised. It's a simple 'yes/no' check mark on the IO's screen. If the flag is set, the IO has the option of going to a secured workstation and seeing all the details (this is what is happening when the IO asks you to wait and then disappears from the PCP for a few moments).
The flag can be set lots of different ways such as an Interpol alert or tax issues (via HMRC) or criminal issues, but most commonly the person has had an "immigration problem" somewhere in their history.
Invariably the inspection process is delayed and this can cause the person to become embarrassed or upset, especially if the person thinks the stop flag has been wrongly set. End of background.
Your questions...
My question is does a border control officer have the authority to
request a stop indicator to be removed, or she was just blowing hot
air up my behind?
An IO will not (and can not) remove the flag by themselves; instead they can add something to your transcript which will be picked up by the 'back office' where a bureaucratic process is triggered. As far as "blowing hot air" goes, yes, an IO will say just about anything to make the inspection process go smoothly and of particular interest, they like to make everything sound very easy. Based on what you wrote, they have handed you back your passport and reset the login to the secured workstation, so what 'exactly' are they going to use to clear the flag? Did you write down their name? How are you going to chase it? So it's fine ask to the IO (in a civil tone) when and how she is going to make the amendment and what information she needs from you in order to carry this out. If they respond with some fluff you can adjust your expectations downward accordingly.
One would think if an IO requested the traveler to do this to resolve
the situation, then IO himself/herself cannot make such a request
contrary to what my IO told me today.
An IO can also make it sound real easy by giving you an email address and telling you to write to the Home Office directly. This is certainly a valid approach and one I would endorse because it's something that leaves a paper trail and hence can be chased. Bear in mind that while writing to them has some advantages, they may or may not honour your request (most likely they will not).
Worth noting though that this fellow had indefinite leave to remain
(which I assume gives him more rights with UK immigration) while I am
merely a visitor.
It's not so much that the person had ILR, but more to the point: the person applied for and successfully obtained a visa (ILR). Overall I suggest avoiding internet lore because there are many variants and nuances to each case that are not revealed by the people who write about their experiences. See also the "FOAF Syndrome" in which visa problems are legion.
For you, the ultimate remedy is to apply for and receive an entry clearance. In the application you can explain that you do not need an entry clearance, but want to apply for one anyway so as to clear up the delays and distress caused by having a stop flag raised every time you enter the UK. Normally they will clear the flag if the person applies successfully. If they do not, you would then have solid grounds for a complaint.
TL;DR
An entry clearance acts as a panacea to almost all the problems one can have with UKVI and clearing up a stop flag is no exception.
answered Jul 9 '17 at 15:38
Gayot Fow
74.8k21195377
@PaulofOsawatomie ASL? and say if you are going to get an entry clearance also...
– Gayot Fow
Jul 9 '17 at 17:19
@PaulofOsawatomie nothing in that ASL raises something, are you being a smart ass with them? They don't like smart asses. Any other ethnic or personal impact issues I should know about?
– Gayot Fow
Jul 10 '17 at 13:17
add a comment |
up vote
13
down vote
accepted
Background. When a British Immigration Officer scans your passport the scanner retrieves basic information like nationality, passport number, name, and birth date. This is taken from the passport itself. The system then takes that information and queries an internal database to see if a "stop flag" has been raised. It's a simple 'yes/no' check mark on the IO's screen. If the flag is set, the IO has the option of going to a secured workstation and seeing all the details (this is what is happening when the IO asks you to wait and then disappears from the PCP for a few moments).
The flag can be set lots of different ways such as an Interpol alert or tax issues (via HMRC) or criminal issues, but most commonly the person has had an "immigration problem" somewhere in their history.
Invariably the inspection process is delayed and this can cause the person to become embarrassed or upset, especially if the person thinks the stop flag has been wrongly set. End of background.
Your questions...
My question is does a border control officer have the authority to
request a stop indicator to be removed, or she was just blowing hot
air up my behind?
An IO will not (and can not) remove the flag by themselves; instead they can add something to your transcript which will be picked up by the 'back office' where a bureaucratic process is triggered. As far as "blowing hot air" goes, yes, an IO will say just about anything to make the inspection process go smoothly and of particular interest, they like to make everything sound very easy. Based on what you wrote, they have handed you back your passport and reset the login to the secured workstation, so what 'exactly' are they going to use to clear the flag? Did you write down their name? How are you going to chase it? So it's fine ask to the IO (in a civil tone) when and how she is going to make the amendment and what information she needs from you in order to carry this out. If they respond with some fluff you can adjust your expectations downward accordingly.
One would think if an IO requested the traveler to do this to resolve
the situation, then IO himself/herself cannot make such a request
contrary to what my IO told me today.
An IO can also make it sound real easy by giving you an email address and telling you to write to the Home Office directly. This is certainly a valid approach and one I would endorse because it's something that leaves a paper trail and hence can be chased. Bear in mind that while writing to them has some advantages, they may or may not honour your request (most likely they will not).
Worth noting though that this fellow had indefinite leave to remain
(which I assume gives him more rights with UK immigration) while I am
merely a visitor.
It's not so much that the person had ILR, but more to the point: the person applied for and successfully obtained a visa (ILR). Overall I suggest avoiding internet lore because there are many variants and nuances to each case that are not revealed by the people who write about their experiences. See also the "FOAF Syndrome" in which visa problems are legion.
For you, the ultimate remedy is to apply for and receive an entry clearance. In the application you can explain that you do not need an entry clearance, but want to apply for one anyway so as to clear up the delays and distress caused by having a stop flag raised every time you enter the UK. Normally they will clear the flag if the person applies successfully. If they do not, you would then have solid grounds for a complaint.
TL;DR
An entry clearance acts as a panacea to almost all the problems one can have with UKVI and clearing up a stop flag is no exception.
answered Jul 9 '17 at 15:38
Gayot Fow
74.8k21195377
@PaulofOsawatomie ASL? and say if you are going to get an entry clearance also...
– Gayot Fow
Jul 9 '17 at 17:19
@PaulofOsawatomie nothing in that ASL raises something, are you being a smart ass with them? They don't like smart asses. Any other ethnic or personal impact issues I should know about?
– Gayot Fow
Jul 10 '17 at 13:17
add a comment |
up vote
13
down vote
accepted
up vote
13
down vote
accepted
Background. When a British Immigration Officer scans your passport the scanner retrieves basic information like nationality, passport number, name, and birth date. This is taken from the passport itself. The system then takes that information and queries an internal database to see if a "stop flag" has been raised. It's a simple 'yes/no' check mark on the IO's screen. If the flag is set, the IO has the option of going to a secured workstation and seeing all the details (this is what is happening when the IO asks you to wait and then disappears from the PCP for a few moments).
The flag can be set lots of different ways such as an Interpol alert or tax issues (via HMRC) or criminal issues, but most commonly the person has had an "immigration problem" somewhere in their history.
Invariably the inspection process is delayed and this can cause the person to become embarrassed or upset, especially if the person thinks the stop flag has been wrongly set. End of background.
Your questions...
My question is does a border control officer have the authority to
request a stop indicator to be removed, or she was just blowing hot
air up my behind?
An IO will not (and can not) remove the flag by themselves; instead they can add something to your transcript which will be picked up by the 'back office' where a bureaucratic process is triggered. As far as "blowing hot air" goes, yes, an IO will say just about anything to make the inspection process go smoothly and of particular interest, they like to make everything sound very easy. Based on what you wrote, they have handed you back your passport and reset the login to the secured workstation, so what 'exactly' are they going to use to clear the flag? Did you write down their name? How are you going to chase it? So it's fine ask to the IO (in a civil tone) when and how she is going to make the amendment and what information she needs from you in order to carry this out. If they respond with some fluff you can adjust your expectations downward accordingly.
One would think if an IO requested the traveler to do this to resolve
the situation, then IO himself/herself cannot make such a request
contrary to what my IO told me today.
An IO can also make it sound real easy by giving you an email address and telling you to write to the Home Office directly. This is certainly a valid approach and one I would endorse because it's something that leaves a paper trail and hence can be chased. Bear in mind that while writing to them has some advantages, they may or may not honour your request (most likely they will not).
Worth noting though that this fellow had indefinite leave to remain
(which I assume gives him more rights with UK immigration) while I am
merely a visitor.
It's not so much that the person had ILR, but more to the point: the person applied for and successfully obtained a visa (ILR). Overall I suggest avoiding internet lore because there are many variants and nuances to each case that are not revealed by the people who write about their experiences. See also the "FOAF Syndrome" in which visa problems are legion.
For you, the ultimate remedy is to apply for and receive an entry clearance. In the application you can explain that you do not need an entry clearance, but want to apply for one anyway so as to clear up the delays and distress caused by having a stop flag raised every time you enter the UK. Normally they will clear the flag if the person applies successfully. If they do not, you would then have solid grounds for a complaint.
TL;DR
An entry clearance acts as a panacea to almost all the problems one can have with UKVI and clearing up a stop flag is no exception.
answered Jul 9 '17 at 15:38
Gayot Fow
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Background. When a British Immigration Officer scans your passport the scanner retrieves basic information like nationality, passport number, name, and birth date. This is taken from the passport itself. The system then takes that information and queries an internal database to see if a "stop flag" has been raised. It's a simple 'yes/no' check mark on the IO's screen. If the flag is set, the IO has the option of going to a secured workstation and seeing all the details (this is what is happening when the IO asks you to wait and then disappears from the PCP for a few moments).
The flag can be set lots of different ways such as an Interpol alert or tax issues (via HMRC) or criminal issues, but most commonly the person has had an "immigration problem" somewhere in their history.
Invariably the inspection process is delayed and this can cause the person to become embarrassed or upset, especially if the person thinks the stop flag has been wrongly set. End of background.
Your questions...
My question is does a border control officer have the authority to
request a stop indicator to be removed, or she was just blowing hot
air up my behind?
An IO will not (and can not) remove the flag by themselves; instead they can add something to your transcript which will be picked up by the 'back office' where a bureaucratic process is triggered. As far as "blowing hot air" goes, yes, an IO will say just about anything to make the inspection process go smoothly and of particular interest, they like to make everything sound very easy. Based on what you wrote, they have handed you back your passport and reset the login to the secured workstation, so what 'exactly' are they going to use to clear the flag? Did you write down their name? How are you going to chase it? So it's fine ask to the IO (in a civil tone) when and how she is going to make the amendment and what information she needs from you in order to carry this out. If they respond with some fluff you can adjust your expectations downward accordingly.
One would think if an IO requested the traveler to do this to resolve
the situation, then IO himself/herself cannot make such a request
contrary to what my IO told me today.
An IO can also make it sound real easy by giving you an email address and telling you to write to the Home Office directly. This is certainly a valid approach and one I would endorse because it's something that leaves a paper trail and hence can be chased. Bear in mind that while writing to them has some advantages, they may or may not honour your request (most likely they will not).
Worth noting though that this fellow had indefinite leave to remain
(which I assume gives him more rights with UK immigration) while I am
merely a visitor.
It's not so much that the person had ILR, but more to the point: the person applied for and successfully obtained a visa (ILR). Overall I suggest avoiding internet lore because there are many variants and nuances to each case that are not revealed by the people who write about their experiences. See also the "FOAF Syndrome" in which visa problems are legion.
For you, the ultimate remedy is to apply for and receive an entry clearance. In the application you can explain that you do not need an entry clearance, but want to apply for one anyway so as to clear up the delays and distress caused by having a stop flag raised every time you enter the UK. Normally they will clear the flag if the person applies successfully. If they do not, you would then have solid grounds for a complaint.
TL;DR
An entry clearance acts as a panacea to almost all the problems one can have with UKVI and clearing up a stop flag is no exception.
answered Jul 9 '17 at 15:38
Gayot Fow
74.8k21195377
edited Jul 9 '17 at 16:30
answered Jul 9 '17 at 15:38
Gayot Fow
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answered Jul 9 '17 at 15:38
Gayot Fow
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answered Jul 9 '17 at 15:38
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@PaulofOsawatomie ASL? and say if you are going to get an entry clearance also...
– Gayot Fow
Jul 9 '17 at 17:19
@PaulofOsawatomie nothing in that ASL raises something, are you being a smart ass with them? They don't like smart asses. Any other ethnic or personal impact issues I should know about?
– Gayot Fow
Jul 10 '17 at 13:17
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@PaulofOsawatomie ASL? and say if you are going to get an entry clearance also...
– Gayot Fow
Jul 9 '17 at 17:19
@PaulofOsawatomie nothing in that ASL raises something, are you being a smart ass with them? They don't like smart asses. Any other ethnic or personal impact issues I should know about?
– Gayot Fow
Jul 10 '17 at 13:17
@PaulofOsawatomie ASL? and say if you are going to get an entry clearance also...
– Gayot Fow
Jul 9 '17 at 17:19
@PaulofOsawatomie ASL? and say if you are going to get an entry clearance also...
– Gayot Fow
Jul 9 '17 at 17:19
@PaulofOsawatomie nothing in that ASL raises something, are you being a smart ass with them? They don't like smart asses. Any other ethnic or personal impact issues I should know about?
– Gayot Fow
Jul 10 '17 at 13:17
@PaulofOsawatomie nothing in that ASL raises something, are you being a smart ass with them? They don't like smart asses. Any other ethnic or personal impact issues I should know about?
– Gayot Fow
Jul 10 '17 at 13:17
add a comment |
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After being stopped a couple more times within the span of one year by UK immigration while visiting, I decided to lodge a formal complaint through the Home Office however I did not get my hopes up.
After two weeks, today I got a reply back from the UK Border Force apologizing for their admittedly unnecessary stops and notice that it will not happen again.
Hopefully this provides some direction to other people in the same predicament. For non-visa nationals, you don't absolutely have to apply for Entry Clearance (which is believed to be the way to clear previous immigration snafus on your record)
answered Jul 30 at 15:00
Honorary World Citizen
16.9k250100
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This is the friendliest thing I've ever seen written under a Border Force letterhead.
– MJeffryes
Jul 30 at 15:10
1
Sounds friendly, and sounds like they might have paid attention to your complaint. However, I am not convinced this is a solid promise to remove you from the list that was the supposed cause of your earlier difficulties. I would also be wary of their inability to comment on "...the nature of these additional enquiries as it is not in the public interest..." It might be a good idea to carry a copy of the letter with you the next time you visit the UK, so you can produce it should you be delayed again.
– Nick
Jul 30 at 17:13
3
@Nick "...the nature of these additional enquiries as it is not in the public interest..." just means that the UK government have decided that if they tell people the conditions under which a stop flag is applied, it will undermine the effectiveness of the flag. It will be a blanket policy, and has no bearing on an individuals particular situation.
– MJeffryes
Jul 31 at 10:00
5
@TheZealot Please let us know how it goes next time
– Crazydre
Jul 31 at 15:45
It is in their interests to remove unnecessary blocks- all that extra work does hell with their budget management.
– user2617804
Nov 25 at 2:37
add a comment |
up vote
15
down vote
After being stopped a couple more times within the span of one year by UK immigration while visiting, I decided to lodge a formal complaint through the Home Office however I did not get my hopes up.
After two weeks, today I got a reply back from the UK Border Force apologizing for their admittedly unnecessary stops and notice that it will not happen again.
Hopefully this provides some direction to other people in the same predicament. For non-visa nationals, you don't absolutely have to apply for Entry Clearance (which is believed to be the way to clear previous immigration snafus on your record)
answered Jul 30 at 15:00
Honorary World Citizen
16.9k250100
11
This is the friendliest thing I've ever seen written under a Border Force letterhead.
– MJeffryes
Jul 30 at 15:10
1
Sounds friendly, and sounds like they might have paid attention to your complaint. However, I am not convinced this is a solid promise to remove you from the list that was the supposed cause of your earlier difficulties. I would also be wary of their inability to comment on "...the nature of these additional enquiries as it is not in the public interest..." It might be a good idea to carry a copy of the letter with you the next time you visit the UK, so you can produce it should you be delayed again.
– Nick
Jul 30 at 17:13
3
@Nick "...the nature of these additional enquiries as it is not in the public interest..." just means that the UK government have decided that if they tell people the conditions under which a stop flag is applied, it will undermine the effectiveness of the flag. It will be a blanket policy, and has no bearing on an individuals particular situation.
– MJeffryes
Jul 31 at 10:00
5
@TheZealot Please let us know how it goes next time
– Crazydre
Jul 31 at 15:45
It is in their interests to remove unnecessary blocks- all that extra work does hell with their budget management.
– user2617804
Nov 25 at 2:37
add a comment |
up vote
15
down vote
up vote
15
down vote
After being stopped a couple more times within the span of one year by UK immigration while visiting, I decided to lodge a formal complaint through the Home Office however I did not get my hopes up.
After two weeks, today I got a reply back from the UK Border Force apologizing for their admittedly unnecessary stops and notice that it will not happen again.
Hopefully this provides some direction to other people in the same predicament. For non-visa nationals, you don't absolutely have to apply for Entry Clearance (which is believed to be the way to clear previous immigration snafus on your record)
answered Jul 30 at 15:00
Honorary World Citizen
16.9k250100
After being stopped a couple more times within the span of one year by UK immigration while visiting, I decided to lodge a formal complaint through the Home Office however I did not get my hopes up.
After two weeks, today I got a reply back from the UK Border Force apologizing for their admittedly unnecessary stops and notice that it will not happen again.
Hopefully this provides some direction to other people in the same predicament. For non-visa nationals, you don't absolutely have to apply for Entry Clearance (which is believed to be the way to clear previous immigration snafus on your record)
answered Jul 30 at 15:00
Honorary World Citizen
16.9k250100
edited Jul 30 at 15:19
answered Jul 30 at 15:00
Honorary World Citizen
16.9k250100
answered Jul 30 at 15:00
Honorary World Citizen
16.9k250100
answered Jul 30 at 15:00
Honorary World Citizen
16.9k250100
16.9k250100
11
This is the friendliest thing I've ever seen written under a Border Force letterhead.
– MJeffryes
Jul 30 at 15:10
1
Sounds friendly, and sounds like they might have paid attention to your complaint. However, I am not convinced this is a solid promise to remove you from the list that was the supposed cause of your earlier difficulties. I would also be wary of their inability to comment on "...the nature of these additional enquiries as it is not in the public interest..." It might be a good idea to carry a copy of the letter with you the next time you visit the UK, so you can produce it should you be delayed again.
– Nick
Jul 30 at 17:13
3
@Nick "...the nature of these additional enquiries as it is not in the public interest..." just means that the UK government have decided that if they tell people the conditions under which a stop flag is applied, it will undermine the effectiveness of the flag. It will be a blanket policy, and has no bearing on an individuals particular situation.
– MJeffryes
Jul 31 at 10:00
5
@TheZealot Please let us know how it goes next time
– Crazydre
Jul 31 at 15:45
It is in their interests to remove unnecessary blocks- all that extra work does hell with their budget management.
– user2617804
Nov 25 at 2:37
add a comment |
11
This is the friendliest thing I've ever seen written under a Border Force letterhead.
– MJeffryes
Jul 30 at 15:10
1
Sounds friendly, and sounds like they might have paid attention to your complaint. However, I am not convinced this is a solid promise to remove you from the list that was the supposed cause of your earlier difficulties. I would also be wary of their inability to comment on "...the nature of these additional enquiries as it is not in the public interest..." It might be a good idea to carry a copy of the letter with you the next time you visit the UK, so you can produce it should you be delayed again.
– Nick
Jul 30 at 17:13
3
@Nick "...the nature of these additional enquiries as it is not in the public interest..." just means that the UK government have decided that if they tell people the conditions under which a stop flag is applied, it will undermine the effectiveness of the flag. It will be a blanket policy, and has no bearing on an individuals particular situation.
– MJeffryes
Jul 31 at 10:00
5
@TheZealot Please let us know how it goes next time
– Crazydre
Jul 31 at 15:45
It is in their interests to remove unnecessary blocks- all that extra work does hell with their budget management.
– user2617804
Nov 25 at 2:37
11
11
This is the friendliest thing I've ever seen written under a Border Force letterhead.
– MJeffryes
Jul 30 at 15:10
This is the friendliest thing I've ever seen written under a Border Force letterhead.
– MJeffryes
Jul 30 at 15:10
1
1
Sounds friendly, and sounds like they might have paid attention to your complaint. However, I am not convinced this is a solid promise to remove you from the list that was the supposed cause of your earlier difficulties. I would also be wary of their inability to comment on "...the nature of these additional enquiries as it is not in the public interest..." It might be a good idea to carry a copy of the letter with you the next time you visit the UK, so you can produce it should you be delayed again.
– Nick
Jul 30 at 17:13
Sounds friendly, and sounds like they might have paid attention to your complaint. However, I am not convinced this is a solid promise to remove you from the list that was the supposed cause of your earlier difficulties. I would also be wary of their inability to comment on "...the nature of these additional enquiries as it is not in the public interest..." It might be a good idea to carry a copy of the letter with you the next time you visit the UK, so you can produce it should you be delayed again.
– Nick
Jul 30 at 17:13
3
3
@Nick "...the nature of these additional enquiries as it is not in the public interest..." just means that the UK government have decided that if they tell people the conditions under which a stop flag is applied, it will undermine the effectiveness of the flag. It will be a blanket policy, and has no bearing on an individuals particular situation.
– MJeffryes
Jul 31 at 10:00
@Nick "...the nature of these additional enquiries as it is not in the public interest..." just means that the UK government have decided that if they tell people the conditions under which a stop flag is applied, it will undermine the effectiveness of the flag. It will be a blanket policy, and has no bearing on an individuals particular situation.
– MJeffryes
Jul 31 at 10:00
5
5
@TheZealot Please let us know how it goes next time
– Crazydre
Jul 31 at 15:45
@TheZealot Please let us know how it goes next time
– Crazydre
Jul 31 at 15:45
It is in their interests to remove unnecessary blocks- all that extra work does hell with their budget management.
– user2617804
Nov 25 at 2:37
It is in their interests to remove unnecessary blocks- all that extra work does hell with their budget management.
– user2617804
Nov 25 at 2:37
add a comment |
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Even if they purge the stop indicator you'll still have to answer 'yes' to 'have you had issues with UK immigration' and that would always incur a delay.
– JonathanReez♦
Jul 8 '17 at 11:39
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Do you want to know if an IO can 'request' it? Or if such a request will be actioned?
– Gayot Fow
Jul 8 '17 at 13:23
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@JonathanReez That's not a typical question they ask if there is no stop indicator.
– greatone
Jul 8 '17 at 15:20
@PaulofOsawatomie I can give an answer, but it is somewhat discouraging.
– Gayot Fow
Jul 9 '17 at 4:50
@PaulofOsawatomie I answered, you can provide me with your age, sex, location (ASL) and I may be able to deduce more, or I may not. It's the best answer I can do given all that's known.
– Gayot Fow
Jul 9 '17 at 16:20