German autobahn speed limit
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I'm travelling through Europe this summer by car, and I'm reading up on both german and rules for driving on the Autobahn.
So the first image here has a headline stating "maximum speed limits", but coming from Norway - the look on the signs to me indicate that for motorbikes and cars without trailers, the recommended speed is 130. Does seeing such a sign mean that the recommended pace is 130 km/h, but you are free to go as fast as you please given that the conditions allow it?
Here is a slightly different case, but with the same sign. My understand seeing this sign would be 50 km/h limit in urban areas, 100 km/h in suburban areas, and no limit though recommended pace of 130 km/h on the motorway (Autobahn).
Am I right or wrong on this?
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I'm travelling through Europe this summer by car, and I'm reading up on both german and rules for driving on the Autobahn.
So the first image here has a headline stating "maximum speed limits", but coming from Norway - the look on the signs to me indicate that for motorbikes and cars without trailers, the recommended speed is 130. Does seeing such a sign mean that the recommended pace is 130 km/h, but you are free to go as fast as you please given that the conditions allow it?
Here is a slightly different case, but with the same sign. My understand seeing this sign would be 50 km/h limit in urban areas, 100 km/h in suburban areas, and no limit though recommended pace of 130 km/h on the motorway (Autobahn).
Am I right or wrong on this?
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@GayotFow I understand. What exactly is the description behind the blue square sign with white letters, in contrary to the circular one which I associate with enforced limits from Norway?
– Erik
Jun 5 '17 at 15:31
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@GayotFow There is no German traffic sign "Unbegrenzt". If you refer to the traffic signs 278 (end of specific speed limit) or 282 (end of specific speed limit and overtaking restriction), these signs are usually only used when a speed restricted section ends. If you enter the autobahn within an unrestricted section, you will usually see no speed limit or end of speed limit signs.
– Tor-Einar Jarnbjo
Jun 5 '17 at 15:39
@Tor-EinarJarnbjo This makes the most sense in my mind. Entering the Autobahn will introduce one of two scenarios: no sign indicating a limit -> free speed given conditions, or a signed limit enforced if it's circular with red outlines. These limits would then be lifted by a sign with lines over the number of the limit, or a only lines if there was a passing prohibition previously. See image
– Erik
Jun 5 '17 at 15:44
@GayotFow please check out Wrzlprmft's answer
– Erik
Jun 5 '17 at 15:52
@Tor-EinarJarnbjo I refer to #282;happy to be corrected perhaps I have been doing it wrong all these years. I hope this link google.co.uk/… may be of use though... Check it out.
– Gayot Fow
Jun 5 '17 at 22:02
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I'm travelling through Europe this summer by car, and I'm reading up on both german and rules for driving on the Autobahn.
So the first image here has a headline stating "maximum speed limits", but coming from Norway - the look on the signs to me indicate that for motorbikes and cars without trailers, the recommended speed is 130. Does seeing such a sign mean that the recommended pace is 130 km/h, but you are free to go as fast as you please given that the conditions allow it?
Here is a slightly different case, but with the same sign. My understand seeing this sign would be 50 km/h limit in urban areas, 100 km/h in suburban areas, and no limit though recommended pace of 130 km/h on the motorway (Autobahn).
Am I right or wrong on this?
germany driving
I'm travelling through Europe this summer by car, and I'm reading up on both german and rules for driving on the Autobahn.
So the first image here has a headline stating "maximum speed limits", but coming from Norway - the look on the signs to me indicate that for motorbikes and cars without trailers, the recommended speed is 130. Does seeing such a sign mean that the recommended pace is 130 km/h, but you are free to go as fast as you please given that the conditions allow it?
Here is a slightly different case, but with the same sign. My understand seeing this sign would be 50 km/h limit in urban areas, 100 km/h in suburban areas, and no limit though recommended pace of 130 km/h on the motorway (Autobahn).
Am I right or wrong on this?
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@GayotFow I understand. What exactly is the description behind the blue square sign with white letters, in contrary to the circular one which I associate with enforced limits from Norway?
– Erik
Jun 5 '17 at 15:31
5
@GayotFow There is no German traffic sign "Unbegrenzt". If you refer to the traffic signs 278 (end of specific speed limit) or 282 (end of specific speed limit and overtaking restriction), these signs are usually only used when a speed restricted section ends. If you enter the autobahn within an unrestricted section, you will usually see no speed limit or end of speed limit signs.
– Tor-Einar Jarnbjo
Jun 5 '17 at 15:39
@Tor-EinarJarnbjo This makes the most sense in my mind. Entering the Autobahn will introduce one of two scenarios: no sign indicating a limit -> free speed given conditions, or a signed limit enforced if it's circular with red outlines. These limits would then be lifted by a sign with lines over the number of the limit, or a only lines if there was a passing prohibition previously. See image
– Erik
Jun 5 '17 at 15:44
@GayotFow please check out Wrzlprmft's answer
– Erik
Jun 5 '17 at 15:52
@Tor-EinarJarnbjo I refer to #282;happy to be corrected perhaps I have been doing it wrong all these years. I hope this link google.co.uk/… may be of use though... Check it out.
– Gayot Fow
Jun 5 '17 at 22:02
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@GayotFow I understand. What exactly is the description behind the blue square sign with white letters, in contrary to the circular one which I associate with enforced limits from Norway?
– Erik
Jun 5 '17 at 15:31
5
@GayotFow There is no German traffic sign "Unbegrenzt". If you refer to the traffic signs 278 (end of specific speed limit) or 282 (end of specific speed limit and overtaking restriction), these signs are usually only used when a speed restricted section ends. If you enter the autobahn within an unrestricted section, you will usually see no speed limit or end of speed limit signs.
– Tor-Einar Jarnbjo
Jun 5 '17 at 15:39
@Tor-EinarJarnbjo This makes the most sense in my mind. Entering the Autobahn will introduce one of two scenarios: no sign indicating a limit -> free speed given conditions, or a signed limit enforced if it's circular with red outlines. These limits would then be lifted by a sign with lines over the number of the limit, or a only lines if there was a passing prohibition previously. See image
– Erik
Jun 5 '17 at 15:44
@GayotFow please check out Wrzlprmft's answer
– Erik
Jun 5 '17 at 15:52
@Tor-EinarJarnbjo I refer to #282;happy to be corrected perhaps I have been doing it wrong all these years. I hope this link google.co.uk/… may be of use though... Check it out.
– Gayot Fow
Jun 5 '17 at 22:02
@GayotFow I understand. What exactly is the description behind the blue square sign with white letters, in contrary to the circular one which I associate with enforced limits from Norway?
– Erik
Jun 5 '17 at 15:31
@GayotFow I understand. What exactly is the description behind the blue square sign with white letters, in contrary to the circular one which I associate with enforced limits from Norway?
– Erik
Jun 5 '17 at 15:31
5
5
@GayotFow There is no German traffic sign "Unbegrenzt". If you refer to the traffic signs 278 (end of specific speed limit) or 282 (end of specific speed limit and overtaking restriction), these signs are usually only used when a speed restricted section ends. If you enter the autobahn within an unrestricted section, you will usually see no speed limit or end of speed limit signs.
– Tor-Einar Jarnbjo
Jun 5 '17 at 15:39
@GayotFow There is no German traffic sign "Unbegrenzt". If you refer to the traffic signs 278 (end of specific speed limit) or 282 (end of specific speed limit and overtaking restriction), these signs are usually only used when a speed restricted section ends. If you enter the autobahn within an unrestricted section, you will usually see no speed limit or end of speed limit signs.
– Tor-Einar Jarnbjo
Jun 5 '17 at 15:39
@Tor-EinarJarnbjo This makes the most sense in my mind. Entering the Autobahn will introduce one of two scenarios: no sign indicating a limit -> free speed given conditions, or a signed limit enforced if it's circular with red outlines. These limits would then be lifted by a sign with lines over the number of the limit, or a only lines if there was a passing prohibition previously. See image
– Erik
Jun 5 '17 at 15:44
@Tor-EinarJarnbjo This makes the most sense in my mind. Entering the Autobahn will introduce one of two scenarios: no sign indicating a limit -> free speed given conditions, or a signed limit enforced if it's circular with red outlines. These limits would then be lifted by a sign with lines over the number of the limit, or a only lines if there was a passing prohibition previously. See image
– Erik
Jun 5 '17 at 15:44
@GayotFow please check out Wrzlprmft's answer
– Erik
Jun 5 '17 at 15:52
@GayotFow please check out Wrzlprmft's answer
– Erik
Jun 5 '17 at 15:52
@Tor-EinarJarnbjo I refer to #282;happy to be corrected perhaps I have been doing it wrong all these years. I hope this link google.co.uk/… may be of use though... Check it out.
– Gayot Fow
Jun 5 '17 at 22:02
@Tor-EinarJarnbjo I refer to #282;happy to be corrected perhaps I have been doing it wrong all these years. I hope this link google.co.uk/… may be of use though... Check it out.
– Gayot Fow
Jun 5 '17 at 22:02
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Okay, let's compile the info for you.
First I assume that you are going to travel by car or motorcycle (less than 3.5 tons mass) and are not pulling a trailer. This is the only condition where can even get into a position that no mandatory speed limit applies to you. Every other vehicle does have speed limits applied, even on the autobahn (which is denoted the first sign you posted).
Then there are mandatory speed limits in Germany. Which is denoted by the second sign. This only depicts the rules for motorcycles and cars below 3.5 tons total mass not pulling trailers.
You assumed correctly, that the top most icon depcits that there is a mandatory speed limit of 50 km/h in urban areas. Urban areas are denoted by a yellow rectangular sign containing the city name. A red bar across the name means that you leave the urban area depicted by this sign:
The middle icon depicts exactly that last mentioned sign with the red bar across the city name. Once you leave an urban area but are not an an Autobahn or Autobahn-like (at least 2 lanes per direction, no intersections, just drive on/off ramps) road, a general mandatory limit of 100 km/h applies. This means as soon as you pass the following sign, the middle restrictions apply.
The lowest icon depicts the advisory limit as described in the answer of @Wrzlprmft. This limit applies to all Autobahn-like roads. Keep in mind, still only for motorcycles and cars below 3.5 tons not pulling trailers. Generally if you want to be better safe than sorry, only drive more than 100 km/h when you've seen one of the following signs:
or
Finally, the mentiond sign "Zeichen 282":
This sign is called "Ende aller Streckenverbote". It just means that the original road limits apply again. For this sign to even appear somewhere, there had to be a limit applied before, meaning you surely had to pass (any) circular red/white sign before that as this sign removes all circular red/white restriction signs, not just speed limits.
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The number in a blue square indicates an advisory speed limit, which means that exceeding this limit is not a punishable offence by itself, but there is an increased accountability if you are involved in an accident – even if you did not cause it.
What exactly this means is decided on a per-case basis, but here is a decision by the highest German court (in such matters) (translation by me):
Wird ein Kraftfahrer, der die Richtgeschwindigkeit von 130 km/h überschritten hat, in einen Unfall verwickelt, so kann er sich, wenn er auf Ersatz des Unfallschadens in Anspruch genommen wird, nicht auf die Unabwendbarkeit des Unfalls i.S. von § 7 Abs. 2 StVG berufen, es sei denn, er weist nach, daß es auch bei einer Geschwindigkeit von 130 km/h zu dem Unfall mit vergleichbar schweren Folgen gekommen wäre.
If a motorist who exceeded the advisory speed limit of 130 km/h gets involved in an accident, they cannot – if compensation for damages is claimed from them – invoke the inevitability of the accident as per § 7 Abs. 2 StVG, unless they can prove that the accident would also have happened at a speed of 130 km/h with comparably severe consequences.
With other words: If you are involved in an accident when exceeding the advisory speed limit, the burden of proof (that your high speed did not cause damage) is shifted to you.
As you already noted, this is the default and you’ll often find explicit signs that take precedence and limit your speed. And of course you cannot ignore circumstances such as the weather. Also be aware that the absence of a speed limit on German highways (autobahn) is a cultural thing (comparable to US weapon laws) and does not mean that driving at very high speeds is a good idea or responsible behaviour, in particular if you have no comparable experience.
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Your wording in the first paragraph (increased liability ... if you did not cause the accident) is confusing. The point is that if you exceed the advisory speed limit, are involved in an accident, another driver was at fault, but the accident would likely have been prevented if you had kept the adivsory speed limit, your speed may or will be judged as a contributing cause to the accident.
– Tor-Einar Jarnbjo
Jun 5 '17 at 15:52
1
What's lacking in Wrzl's answer is that a large percentage of Autobahn is still speed-restricted via in-situ restrictions. Most common is 80 for construction sites, followed by 120 or 100 for sections with a high accident prevalence or complicated ramps and intersections. The default of 130-as-advisory is usually only granted on well kept six lane sections, with a simple ramp situation and breakdown lanes. I'm unable to give a total ratio of unrestricted-to-restricted section length.
– hiergiltdiestfu
Jun 6 '17 at 8:50
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Also, whatever the speed limit, you must drive at a speed that is not excessive for the street, weather, state of your car and your driving abilities. And keep your distance from the guy in front. German police consider too little distance a worse crime than speeding.
– gnasher729
Jun 6 '17 at 10:24
1
@gnasher729: I added a small remark regarding this but I do not aspire my answer to be complete guide to autobahn driving, nor do I understood the question to ask for this.
– Wrzlprmft
Jun 6 '17 at 10:41
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@GayotFow: I never disputed that such signs exist; they surely do. They just do not indicate that there is no speed limit at all. Instead they indicate that any former speed (and overtaking) restriction imposed by signage is voided. The respective default (e.g., the advisory speed limit for autobahn) still holds. (This applies in either way, by the way: It may happen that regular speed-limit signs raise the limit from 50 km/h to 70 km/h in an urban area and Zeichen 282 is used to indicate that the speed limit defaults back to 50 km/h.)
– Wrzlprmft
Jun 6 '17 at 11:28
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Okay, let's compile the info for you.
First I assume that you are going to travel by car or motorcycle (less than 3.5 tons mass) and are not pulling a trailer. This is the only condition where can even get into a position that no mandatory speed limit applies to you. Every other vehicle does have speed limits applied, even on the autobahn (which is denoted the first sign you posted).
Then there are mandatory speed limits in Germany. Which is denoted by the second sign. This only depicts the rules for motorcycles and cars below 3.5 tons total mass not pulling trailers.
You assumed correctly, that the top most icon depcits that there is a mandatory speed limit of 50 km/h in urban areas. Urban areas are denoted by a yellow rectangular sign containing the city name. A red bar across the name means that you leave the urban area depicted by this sign:
The middle icon depicts exactly that last mentioned sign with the red bar across the city name. Once you leave an urban area but are not an an Autobahn or Autobahn-like (at least 2 lanes per direction, no intersections, just drive on/off ramps) road, a general mandatory limit of 100 km/h applies. This means as soon as you pass the following sign, the middle restrictions apply.
The lowest icon depicts the advisory limit as described in the answer of @Wrzlprmft. This limit applies to all Autobahn-like roads. Keep in mind, still only for motorcycles and cars below 3.5 tons not pulling trailers. Generally if you want to be better safe than sorry, only drive more than 100 km/h when you've seen one of the following signs:
or
Finally, the mentiond sign "Zeichen 282":
This sign is called "Ende aller Streckenverbote". It just means that the original road limits apply again. For this sign to even appear somewhere, there had to be a limit applied before, meaning you surely had to pass (any) circular red/white sign before that as this sign removes all circular red/white restriction signs, not just speed limits.
add a comment |
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Okay, let's compile the info for you.
First I assume that you are going to travel by car or motorcycle (less than 3.5 tons mass) and are not pulling a trailer. This is the only condition where can even get into a position that no mandatory speed limit applies to you. Every other vehicle does have speed limits applied, even on the autobahn (which is denoted the first sign you posted).
Then there are mandatory speed limits in Germany. Which is denoted by the second sign. This only depicts the rules for motorcycles and cars below 3.5 tons total mass not pulling trailers.
You assumed correctly, that the top most icon depcits that there is a mandatory speed limit of 50 km/h in urban areas. Urban areas are denoted by a yellow rectangular sign containing the city name. A red bar across the name means that you leave the urban area depicted by this sign:
The middle icon depicts exactly that last mentioned sign with the red bar across the city name. Once you leave an urban area but are not an an Autobahn or Autobahn-like (at least 2 lanes per direction, no intersections, just drive on/off ramps) road, a general mandatory limit of 100 km/h applies. This means as soon as you pass the following sign, the middle restrictions apply.
The lowest icon depicts the advisory limit as described in the answer of @Wrzlprmft. This limit applies to all Autobahn-like roads. Keep in mind, still only for motorcycles and cars below 3.5 tons not pulling trailers. Generally if you want to be better safe than sorry, only drive more than 100 km/h when you've seen one of the following signs:
or
Finally, the mentiond sign "Zeichen 282":
This sign is called "Ende aller Streckenverbote". It just means that the original road limits apply again. For this sign to even appear somewhere, there had to be a limit applied before, meaning you surely had to pass (any) circular red/white sign before that as this sign removes all circular red/white restriction signs, not just speed limits.
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Okay, let's compile the info for you.
First I assume that you are going to travel by car or motorcycle (less than 3.5 tons mass) and are not pulling a trailer. This is the only condition where can even get into a position that no mandatory speed limit applies to you. Every other vehicle does have speed limits applied, even on the autobahn (which is denoted the first sign you posted).
Then there are mandatory speed limits in Germany. Which is denoted by the second sign. This only depicts the rules for motorcycles and cars below 3.5 tons total mass not pulling trailers.
You assumed correctly, that the top most icon depcits that there is a mandatory speed limit of 50 km/h in urban areas. Urban areas are denoted by a yellow rectangular sign containing the city name. A red bar across the name means that you leave the urban area depicted by this sign:
The middle icon depicts exactly that last mentioned sign with the red bar across the city name. Once you leave an urban area but are not an an Autobahn or Autobahn-like (at least 2 lanes per direction, no intersections, just drive on/off ramps) road, a general mandatory limit of 100 km/h applies. This means as soon as you pass the following sign, the middle restrictions apply.
The lowest icon depicts the advisory limit as described in the answer of @Wrzlprmft. This limit applies to all Autobahn-like roads. Keep in mind, still only for motorcycles and cars below 3.5 tons not pulling trailers. Generally if you want to be better safe than sorry, only drive more than 100 km/h when you've seen one of the following signs:
or
Finally, the mentiond sign "Zeichen 282":
This sign is called "Ende aller Streckenverbote". It just means that the original road limits apply again. For this sign to even appear somewhere, there had to be a limit applied before, meaning you surely had to pass (any) circular red/white sign before that as this sign removes all circular red/white restriction signs, not just speed limits.
Okay, let's compile the info for you.
First I assume that you are going to travel by car or motorcycle (less than 3.5 tons mass) and are not pulling a trailer. This is the only condition where can even get into a position that no mandatory speed limit applies to you. Every other vehicle does have speed limits applied, even on the autobahn (which is denoted the first sign you posted).
Then there are mandatory speed limits in Germany. Which is denoted by the second sign. This only depicts the rules for motorcycles and cars below 3.5 tons total mass not pulling trailers.
You assumed correctly, that the top most icon depcits that there is a mandatory speed limit of 50 km/h in urban areas. Urban areas are denoted by a yellow rectangular sign containing the city name. A red bar across the name means that you leave the urban area depicted by this sign:
The middle icon depicts exactly that last mentioned sign with the red bar across the city name. Once you leave an urban area but are not an an Autobahn or Autobahn-like (at least 2 lanes per direction, no intersections, just drive on/off ramps) road, a general mandatory limit of 100 km/h applies. This means as soon as you pass the following sign, the middle restrictions apply.
The lowest icon depicts the advisory limit as described in the answer of @Wrzlprmft. This limit applies to all Autobahn-like roads. Keep in mind, still only for motorcycles and cars below 3.5 tons not pulling trailers. Generally if you want to be better safe than sorry, only drive more than 100 km/h when you've seen one of the following signs:
or
Finally, the mentiond sign "Zeichen 282":
This sign is called "Ende aller Streckenverbote". It just means that the original road limits apply again. For this sign to even appear somewhere, there had to be a limit applied before, meaning you surely had to pass (any) circular red/white sign before that as this sign removes all circular red/white restriction signs, not just speed limits.
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The number in a blue square indicates an advisory speed limit, which means that exceeding this limit is not a punishable offence by itself, but there is an increased accountability if you are involved in an accident – even if you did not cause it.
What exactly this means is decided on a per-case basis, but here is a decision by the highest German court (in such matters) (translation by me):
Wird ein Kraftfahrer, der die Richtgeschwindigkeit von 130 km/h überschritten hat, in einen Unfall verwickelt, so kann er sich, wenn er auf Ersatz des Unfallschadens in Anspruch genommen wird, nicht auf die Unabwendbarkeit des Unfalls i.S. von § 7 Abs. 2 StVG berufen, es sei denn, er weist nach, daß es auch bei einer Geschwindigkeit von 130 km/h zu dem Unfall mit vergleichbar schweren Folgen gekommen wäre.
If a motorist who exceeded the advisory speed limit of 130 km/h gets involved in an accident, they cannot – if compensation for damages is claimed from them – invoke the inevitability of the accident as per § 7 Abs. 2 StVG, unless they can prove that the accident would also have happened at a speed of 130 km/h with comparably severe consequences.
With other words: If you are involved in an accident when exceeding the advisory speed limit, the burden of proof (that your high speed did not cause damage) is shifted to you.
As you already noted, this is the default and you’ll often find explicit signs that take precedence and limit your speed. And of course you cannot ignore circumstances such as the weather. Also be aware that the absence of a speed limit on German highways (autobahn) is a cultural thing (comparable to US weapon laws) and does not mean that driving at very high speeds is a good idea or responsible behaviour, in particular if you have no comparable experience.
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Your wording in the first paragraph (increased liability ... if you did not cause the accident) is confusing. The point is that if you exceed the advisory speed limit, are involved in an accident, another driver was at fault, but the accident would likely have been prevented if you had kept the adivsory speed limit, your speed may or will be judged as a contributing cause to the accident.
– Tor-Einar Jarnbjo
Jun 5 '17 at 15:52
1
What's lacking in Wrzl's answer is that a large percentage of Autobahn is still speed-restricted via in-situ restrictions. Most common is 80 for construction sites, followed by 120 or 100 for sections with a high accident prevalence or complicated ramps and intersections. The default of 130-as-advisory is usually only granted on well kept six lane sections, with a simple ramp situation and breakdown lanes. I'm unable to give a total ratio of unrestricted-to-restricted section length.
– hiergiltdiestfu
Jun 6 '17 at 8:50
2
Also, whatever the speed limit, you must drive at a speed that is not excessive for the street, weather, state of your car and your driving abilities. And keep your distance from the guy in front. German police consider too little distance a worse crime than speeding.
– gnasher729
Jun 6 '17 at 10:24
1
@gnasher729: I added a small remark regarding this but I do not aspire my answer to be complete guide to autobahn driving, nor do I understood the question to ask for this.
– Wrzlprmft
Jun 6 '17 at 10:41
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@GayotFow: I never disputed that such signs exist; they surely do. They just do not indicate that there is no speed limit at all. Instead they indicate that any former speed (and overtaking) restriction imposed by signage is voided. The respective default (e.g., the advisory speed limit for autobahn) still holds. (This applies in either way, by the way: It may happen that regular speed-limit signs raise the limit from 50 km/h to 70 km/h in an urban area and Zeichen 282 is used to indicate that the speed limit defaults back to 50 km/h.)
– Wrzlprmft
Jun 6 '17 at 11:28
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The number in a blue square indicates an advisory speed limit, which means that exceeding this limit is not a punishable offence by itself, but there is an increased accountability if you are involved in an accident – even if you did not cause it.
What exactly this means is decided on a per-case basis, but here is a decision by the highest German court (in such matters) (translation by me):
Wird ein Kraftfahrer, der die Richtgeschwindigkeit von 130 km/h überschritten hat, in einen Unfall verwickelt, so kann er sich, wenn er auf Ersatz des Unfallschadens in Anspruch genommen wird, nicht auf die Unabwendbarkeit des Unfalls i.S. von § 7 Abs. 2 StVG berufen, es sei denn, er weist nach, daß es auch bei einer Geschwindigkeit von 130 km/h zu dem Unfall mit vergleichbar schweren Folgen gekommen wäre.
If a motorist who exceeded the advisory speed limit of 130 km/h gets involved in an accident, they cannot – if compensation for damages is claimed from them – invoke the inevitability of the accident as per § 7 Abs. 2 StVG, unless they can prove that the accident would also have happened at a speed of 130 km/h with comparably severe consequences.
With other words: If you are involved in an accident when exceeding the advisory speed limit, the burden of proof (that your high speed did not cause damage) is shifted to you.
As you already noted, this is the default and you’ll often find explicit signs that take precedence and limit your speed. And of course you cannot ignore circumstances such as the weather. Also be aware that the absence of a speed limit on German highways (autobahn) is a cultural thing (comparable to US weapon laws) and does not mean that driving at very high speeds is a good idea or responsible behaviour, in particular if you have no comparable experience.
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Your wording in the first paragraph (increased liability ... if you did not cause the accident) is confusing. The point is that if you exceed the advisory speed limit, are involved in an accident, another driver was at fault, but the accident would likely have been prevented if you had kept the adivsory speed limit, your speed may or will be judged as a contributing cause to the accident.
– Tor-Einar Jarnbjo
Jun 5 '17 at 15:52
1
What's lacking in Wrzl's answer is that a large percentage of Autobahn is still speed-restricted via in-situ restrictions. Most common is 80 for construction sites, followed by 120 or 100 for sections with a high accident prevalence or complicated ramps and intersections. The default of 130-as-advisory is usually only granted on well kept six lane sections, with a simple ramp situation and breakdown lanes. I'm unable to give a total ratio of unrestricted-to-restricted section length.
– hiergiltdiestfu
Jun 6 '17 at 8:50
2
Also, whatever the speed limit, you must drive at a speed that is not excessive for the street, weather, state of your car and your driving abilities. And keep your distance from the guy in front. German police consider too little distance a worse crime than speeding.
– gnasher729
Jun 6 '17 at 10:24
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@gnasher729: I added a small remark regarding this but I do not aspire my answer to be complete guide to autobahn driving, nor do I understood the question to ask for this.
– Wrzlprmft
Jun 6 '17 at 10:41
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@GayotFow: I never disputed that such signs exist; they surely do. They just do not indicate that there is no speed limit at all. Instead they indicate that any former speed (and overtaking) restriction imposed by signage is voided. The respective default (e.g., the advisory speed limit for autobahn) still holds. (This applies in either way, by the way: It may happen that regular speed-limit signs raise the limit from 50 km/h to 70 km/h in an urban area and Zeichen 282 is used to indicate that the speed limit defaults back to 50 km/h.)
– Wrzlprmft
Jun 6 '17 at 11:28
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The number in a blue square indicates an advisory speed limit, which means that exceeding this limit is not a punishable offence by itself, but there is an increased accountability if you are involved in an accident – even if you did not cause it.
What exactly this means is decided on a per-case basis, but here is a decision by the highest German court (in such matters) (translation by me):
Wird ein Kraftfahrer, der die Richtgeschwindigkeit von 130 km/h überschritten hat, in einen Unfall verwickelt, so kann er sich, wenn er auf Ersatz des Unfallschadens in Anspruch genommen wird, nicht auf die Unabwendbarkeit des Unfalls i.S. von § 7 Abs. 2 StVG berufen, es sei denn, er weist nach, daß es auch bei einer Geschwindigkeit von 130 km/h zu dem Unfall mit vergleichbar schweren Folgen gekommen wäre.
If a motorist who exceeded the advisory speed limit of 130 km/h gets involved in an accident, they cannot – if compensation for damages is claimed from them – invoke the inevitability of the accident as per § 7 Abs. 2 StVG, unless they can prove that the accident would also have happened at a speed of 130 km/h with comparably severe consequences.
With other words: If you are involved in an accident when exceeding the advisory speed limit, the burden of proof (that your high speed did not cause damage) is shifted to you.
As you already noted, this is the default and you’ll often find explicit signs that take precedence and limit your speed. And of course you cannot ignore circumstances such as the weather. Also be aware that the absence of a speed limit on German highways (autobahn) is a cultural thing (comparable to US weapon laws) and does not mean that driving at very high speeds is a good idea or responsible behaviour, in particular if you have no comparable experience.
The number in a blue square indicates an advisory speed limit, which means that exceeding this limit is not a punishable offence by itself, but there is an increased accountability if you are involved in an accident – even if you did not cause it.
What exactly this means is decided on a per-case basis, but here is a decision by the highest German court (in such matters) (translation by me):
Wird ein Kraftfahrer, der die Richtgeschwindigkeit von 130 km/h überschritten hat, in einen Unfall verwickelt, so kann er sich, wenn er auf Ersatz des Unfallschadens in Anspruch genommen wird, nicht auf die Unabwendbarkeit des Unfalls i.S. von § 7 Abs. 2 StVG berufen, es sei denn, er weist nach, daß es auch bei einer Geschwindigkeit von 130 km/h zu dem Unfall mit vergleichbar schweren Folgen gekommen wäre.
If a motorist who exceeded the advisory speed limit of 130 km/h gets involved in an accident, they cannot – if compensation for damages is claimed from them – invoke the inevitability of the accident as per § 7 Abs. 2 StVG, unless they can prove that the accident would also have happened at a speed of 130 km/h with comparably severe consequences.
With other words: If you are involved in an accident when exceeding the advisory speed limit, the burden of proof (that your high speed did not cause damage) is shifted to you.
As you already noted, this is the default and you’ll often find explicit signs that take precedence and limit your speed. And of course you cannot ignore circumstances such as the weather. Also be aware that the absence of a speed limit on German highways (autobahn) is a cultural thing (comparable to US weapon laws) and does not mean that driving at very high speeds is a good idea or responsible behaviour, in particular if you have no comparable experience.
edited Jun 6 '17 at 10:43
answered Jun 5 '17 at 15:35
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Your wording in the first paragraph (increased liability ... if you did not cause the accident) is confusing. The point is that if you exceed the advisory speed limit, are involved in an accident, another driver was at fault, but the accident would likely have been prevented if you had kept the adivsory speed limit, your speed may or will be judged as a contributing cause to the accident.
– Tor-Einar Jarnbjo
Jun 5 '17 at 15:52
1
What's lacking in Wrzl's answer is that a large percentage of Autobahn is still speed-restricted via in-situ restrictions. Most common is 80 for construction sites, followed by 120 or 100 for sections with a high accident prevalence or complicated ramps and intersections. The default of 130-as-advisory is usually only granted on well kept six lane sections, with a simple ramp situation and breakdown lanes. I'm unable to give a total ratio of unrestricted-to-restricted section length.
– hiergiltdiestfu
Jun 6 '17 at 8:50
2
Also, whatever the speed limit, you must drive at a speed that is not excessive for the street, weather, state of your car and your driving abilities. And keep your distance from the guy in front. German police consider too little distance a worse crime than speeding.
– gnasher729
Jun 6 '17 at 10:24
1
@gnasher729: I added a small remark regarding this but I do not aspire my answer to be complete guide to autobahn driving, nor do I understood the question to ask for this.
– Wrzlprmft
Jun 6 '17 at 10:41
5
@GayotFow: I never disputed that such signs exist; they surely do. They just do not indicate that there is no speed limit at all. Instead they indicate that any former speed (and overtaking) restriction imposed by signage is voided. The respective default (e.g., the advisory speed limit for autobahn) still holds. (This applies in either way, by the way: It may happen that regular speed-limit signs raise the limit from 50 km/h to 70 km/h in an urban area and Zeichen 282 is used to indicate that the speed limit defaults back to 50 km/h.)
– Wrzlprmft
Jun 6 '17 at 11:28
|
show 9 more comments
1
Your wording in the first paragraph (increased liability ... if you did not cause the accident) is confusing. The point is that if you exceed the advisory speed limit, are involved in an accident, another driver was at fault, but the accident would likely have been prevented if you had kept the adivsory speed limit, your speed may or will be judged as a contributing cause to the accident.
– Tor-Einar Jarnbjo
Jun 5 '17 at 15:52
1
What's lacking in Wrzl's answer is that a large percentage of Autobahn is still speed-restricted via in-situ restrictions. Most common is 80 for construction sites, followed by 120 or 100 for sections with a high accident prevalence or complicated ramps and intersections. The default of 130-as-advisory is usually only granted on well kept six lane sections, with a simple ramp situation and breakdown lanes. I'm unable to give a total ratio of unrestricted-to-restricted section length.
– hiergiltdiestfu
Jun 6 '17 at 8:50
2
Also, whatever the speed limit, you must drive at a speed that is not excessive for the street, weather, state of your car and your driving abilities. And keep your distance from the guy in front. German police consider too little distance a worse crime than speeding.
– gnasher729
Jun 6 '17 at 10:24
1
@gnasher729: I added a small remark regarding this but I do not aspire my answer to be complete guide to autobahn driving, nor do I understood the question to ask for this.
– Wrzlprmft
Jun 6 '17 at 10:41
5
@GayotFow: I never disputed that such signs exist; they surely do. They just do not indicate that there is no speed limit at all. Instead they indicate that any former speed (and overtaking) restriction imposed by signage is voided. The respective default (e.g., the advisory speed limit for autobahn) still holds. (This applies in either way, by the way: It may happen that regular speed-limit signs raise the limit from 50 km/h to 70 km/h in an urban area and Zeichen 282 is used to indicate that the speed limit defaults back to 50 km/h.)
– Wrzlprmft
Jun 6 '17 at 11:28
1
1
Your wording in the first paragraph (increased liability ... if you did not cause the accident) is confusing. The point is that if you exceed the advisory speed limit, are involved in an accident, another driver was at fault, but the accident would likely have been prevented if you had kept the adivsory speed limit, your speed may or will be judged as a contributing cause to the accident.
– Tor-Einar Jarnbjo
Jun 5 '17 at 15:52
Your wording in the first paragraph (increased liability ... if you did not cause the accident) is confusing. The point is that if you exceed the advisory speed limit, are involved in an accident, another driver was at fault, but the accident would likely have been prevented if you had kept the adivsory speed limit, your speed may or will be judged as a contributing cause to the accident.
– Tor-Einar Jarnbjo
Jun 5 '17 at 15:52
1
1
What's lacking in Wrzl's answer is that a large percentage of Autobahn is still speed-restricted via in-situ restrictions. Most common is 80 for construction sites, followed by 120 or 100 for sections with a high accident prevalence or complicated ramps and intersections. The default of 130-as-advisory is usually only granted on well kept six lane sections, with a simple ramp situation and breakdown lanes. I'm unable to give a total ratio of unrestricted-to-restricted section length.
– hiergiltdiestfu
Jun 6 '17 at 8:50
What's lacking in Wrzl's answer is that a large percentage of Autobahn is still speed-restricted via in-situ restrictions. Most common is 80 for construction sites, followed by 120 or 100 for sections with a high accident prevalence or complicated ramps and intersections. The default of 130-as-advisory is usually only granted on well kept six lane sections, with a simple ramp situation and breakdown lanes. I'm unable to give a total ratio of unrestricted-to-restricted section length.
– hiergiltdiestfu
Jun 6 '17 at 8:50
2
2
Also, whatever the speed limit, you must drive at a speed that is not excessive for the street, weather, state of your car and your driving abilities. And keep your distance from the guy in front. German police consider too little distance a worse crime than speeding.
– gnasher729
Jun 6 '17 at 10:24
Also, whatever the speed limit, you must drive at a speed that is not excessive for the street, weather, state of your car and your driving abilities. And keep your distance from the guy in front. German police consider too little distance a worse crime than speeding.
– gnasher729
Jun 6 '17 at 10:24
1
1
@gnasher729: I added a small remark regarding this but I do not aspire my answer to be complete guide to autobahn driving, nor do I understood the question to ask for this.
– Wrzlprmft
Jun 6 '17 at 10:41
@gnasher729: I added a small remark regarding this but I do not aspire my answer to be complete guide to autobahn driving, nor do I understood the question to ask for this.
– Wrzlprmft
Jun 6 '17 at 10:41
5
5
@GayotFow: I never disputed that such signs exist; they surely do. They just do not indicate that there is no speed limit at all. Instead they indicate that any former speed (and overtaking) restriction imposed by signage is voided. The respective default (e.g., the advisory speed limit for autobahn) still holds. (This applies in either way, by the way: It may happen that regular speed-limit signs raise the limit from 50 km/h to 70 km/h in an urban area and Zeichen 282 is used to indicate that the speed limit defaults back to 50 km/h.)
– Wrzlprmft
Jun 6 '17 at 11:28
@GayotFow: I never disputed that such signs exist; they surely do. They just do not indicate that there is no speed limit at all. Instead they indicate that any former speed (and overtaking) restriction imposed by signage is voided. The respective default (e.g., the advisory speed limit for autobahn) still holds. (This applies in either way, by the way: It may happen that regular speed-limit signs raise the limit from 50 km/h to 70 km/h in an urban area and Zeichen 282 is used to indicate that the speed limit defaults back to 50 km/h.)
– Wrzlprmft
Jun 6 '17 at 11:28
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@GayotFow I understand. What exactly is the description behind the blue square sign with white letters, in contrary to the circular one which I associate with enforced limits from Norway?
– Erik
Jun 5 '17 at 15:31
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@GayotFow There is no German traffic sign "Unbegrenzt". If you refer to the traffic signs 278 (end of specific speed limit) or 282 (end of specific speed limit and overtaking restriction), these signs are usually only used when a speed restricted section ends. If you enter the autobahn within an unrestricted section, you will usually see no speed limit or end of speed limit signs.
– Tor-Einar Jarnbjo
Jun 5 '17 at 15:39
@Tor-EinarJarnbjo This makes the most sense in my mind. Entering the Autobahn will introduce one of two scenarios: no sign indicating a limit -> free speed given conditions, or a signed limit enforced if it's circular with red outlines. These limits would then be lifted by a sign with lines over the number of the limit, or a only lines if there was a passing prohibition previously. See image
– Erik
Jun 5 '17 at 15:44
@GayotFow please check out Wrzlprmft's answer
– Erik
Jun 5 '17 at 15:52
@Tor-EinarJarnbjo I refer to #282;happy to be corrected perhaps I have been doing it wrong all these years. I hope this link google.co.uk/… may be of use though... Check it out.
– Gayot Fow
Jun 5 '17 at 22:02