Have any airlines ever banned anyone for exploiting hidden city or throwaway ticketing?
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On a related question Jim MacKenzie writes that:
If you did this a lot, it's possible an airline might ban you from flying it
Likewise another question mentions that:
if you ditch they have the right to cancel the rest of the ticket, fine you and even ban you from the airline. Though the only times they would ban or fine would be for repeat offenders.
But have any travelers actually been banned with a particular airline for exploiting hidden city or throwaway ticketing in the past decade? Links to authorative references rather than hearsay are welcome.
Note that for the sake of this question simply banning someone from the frequent flyer program doesn't count. I'm only looking for cases where a person could no longer take a flight on a given airline for exploiting their pricing.
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On a related question Jim MacKenzie writes that:
If you did this a lot, it's possible an airline might ban you from flying it
Likewise another question mentions that:
if you ditch they have the right to cancel the rest of the ticket, fine you and even ban you from the airline. Though the only times they would ban or fine would be for repeat offenders.
But have any travelers actually been banned with a particular airline for exploiting hidden city or throwaway ticketing in the past decade? Links to authorative references rather than hearsay are welcome.
Note that for the sake of this question simply banning someone from the frequent flyer program doesn't count. I'm only looking for cases where a person could no longer take a flight on a given airline for exploiting their pricing.
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Why restrict this question to US airlines? We are an international community.
– Jim MacKenzie
Dec 19 '17 at 15:40
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@JimMackenzie to avoid making it too broad? Feel free to edit the question if you know about ankther airline doing it.
– JonathanReez♦
Dec 19 '17 at 15:42
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I don't, but I think if others have had such experiences, that they would be useful. I don't like to see unnecessary americentrism on the Internet.
– Jim MacKenzie
Dec 19 '17 at 15:43
@JimMackenzie done
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I would say thay restricting the question to US airlines is the right move. Pricing for airlines in other countries is often times less complicated than that in the US. I have found tickets for $500 one way but then $300 round trip. It doesnt make a lot of sense. That is why i say it is a good idea to restrict it to the US conversation.
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On a related question Jim MacKenzie writes that:
If you did this a lot, it's possible an airline might ban you from flying it
Likewise another question mentions that:
if you ditch they have the right to cancel the rest of the ticket, fine you and even ban you from the airline. Though the only times they would ban or fine would be for repeat offenders.
But have any travelers actually been banned with a particular airline for exploiting hidden city or throwaway ticketing in the past decade? Links to authorative references rather than hearsay are welcome.
Note that for the sake of this question simply banning someone from the frequent flyer program doesn't count. I'm only looking for cases where a person could no longer take a flight on a given airline for exploiting their pricing.
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asked Dec 19 '17 at 15:24
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On a related question Jim MacKenzie writes that:
If you did this a lot, it's possible an airline might ban you from flying it
Likewise another question mentions that:
if you ditch they have the right to cancel the rest of the ticket, fine you and even ban you from the airline. Though the only times they would ban or fine would be for repeat offenders.
But have any travelers actually been banned with a particular airline for exploiting hidden city or throwaway ticketing in the past decade? Links to authorative references rather than hearsay are welcome.
Note that for the sake of this question simply banning someone from the frequent flyer program doesn't count. I'm only looking for cases where a person could no longer take a flight on a given airline for exploiting their pricing.
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Why restrict this question to US airlines? We are an international community.
– Jim MacKenzie
Dec 19 '17 at 15:40
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@JimMackenzie to avoid making it too broad? Feel free to edit the question if you know about ankther airline doing it.
– JonathanReez♦
Dec 19 '17 at 15:42
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I don't, but I think if others have had such experiences, that they would be useful. I don't like to see unnecessary americentrism on the Internet.
– Jim MacKenzie
Dec 19 '17 at 15:43
@JimMackenzie done
– JonathanReez♦
Dec 19 '17 at 15:44
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I would say thay restricting the question to US airlines is the right move. Pricing for airlines in other countries is often times less complicated than that in the US. I have found tickets for $500 one way but then $300 round trip. It doesnt make a lot of sense. That is why i say it is a good idea to restrict it to the US conversation.
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Dec 20 '17 at 11:01
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Why restrict this question to US airlines? We are an international community.
– Jim MacKenzie
Dec 19 '17 at 15:40
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@JimMackenzie to avoid making it too broad? Feel free to edit the question if you know about ankther airline doing it.
– JonathanReez♦
Dec 19 '17 at 15:42
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I don't, but I think if others have had such experiences, that they would be useful. I don't like to see unnecessary americentrism on the Internet.
– Jim MacKenzie
Dec 19 '17 at 15:43
@JimMackenzie done
– JonathanReez♦
Dec 19 '17 at 15:44
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I would say thay restricting the question to US airlines is the right move. Pricing for airlines in other countries is often times less complicated than that in the US. I have found tickets for $500 one way but then $300 round trip. It doesnt make a lot of sense. That is why i say it is a good idea to restrict it to the US conversation.
– user79930
Dec 20 '17 at 11:01
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Why restrict this question to US airlines? We are an international community.
– Jim MacKenzie
Dec 19 '17 at 15:40
Why restrict this question to US airlines? We are an international community.
– Jim MacKenzie
Dec 19 '17 at 15:40
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@JimMackenzie to avoid making it too broad? Feel free to edit the question if you know about ankther airline doing it.
– JonathanReez♦
Dec 19 '17 at 15:42
@JimMackenzie to avoid making it too broad? Feel free to edit the question if you know about ankther airline doing it.
– JonathanReez♦
Dec 19 '17 at 15:42
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I don't, but I think if others have had such experiences, that they would be useful. I don't like to see unnecessary americentrism on the Internet.
– Jim MacKenzie
Dec 19 '17 at 15:43
I don't, but I think if others have had such experiences, that they would be useful. I don't like to see unnecessary americentrism on the Internet.
– Jim MacKenzie
Dec 19 '17 at 15:43
@JimMackenzie done
– JonathanReez♦
Dec 19 '17 at 15:44
@JimMackenzie done
– JonathanReez♦
Dec 19 '17 at 15:44
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I would say thay restricting the question to US airlines is the right move. Pricing for airlines in other countries is often times less complicated than that in the US. I have found tickets for $500 one way but then $300 round trip. It doesnt make a lot of sense. That is why i say it is a good idea to restrict it to the US conversation.
– user79930
Dec 20 '17 at 11:01
I would say thay restricting the question to US airlines is the right move. Pricing for airlines in other countries is often times less complicated than that in the US. I have found tickets for $500 one way but then $300 round trip. It doesnt make a lot of sense. That is why i say it is a good idea to restrict it to the US conversation.
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Dec 20 '17 at 11:01
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Here is a reference I found: https://www.gao.gov/new.items/d01831.pdf A US-government study on the issue concluding that openly allowing hidden-city ticketing is not generally desirable
I haven't found any concrete cases of passengers being banned for the practice. In honesty, I suspect it would have to be done to an extreme case to be a problem.
It does cause airlines some operational issues. Flights can leave sooner if all passengers have arrived, but passengers that intend not to arrive, of course, never arrive. This prevents flights from departing as quickly. Also, there may be standby passengers whose reservations can be confirmed more quickly and their bags loaded more rapidly, helping airlines maintain their schedule.
I read a lot of posts at FlyerTalk (a web forum) and have found lots of discussion about the issue there, including some flyers who have been warned that if they continue hidden-city ticketing, that they will face repercussions, but have not found any evidence that repercussions actually happened. (I suspect the passengers stopped doing the practice, or changed airlines.)
answered Dec 19 '17 at 15:39
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So if there aren't any valid examples, why do people warn each other about it? It's like an old wives tale :)
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Dec 19 '17 at 15:43
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I mention it because airlines have in the past warned of it as a possibility. I don't think the threats are empty. Personally, though, I think the worst risk of it is rebooking. That's not within your control and you'd have no recourse if it happened, since you've booked passage from A-B-C even though you really wanted to go to B. In the event of irrops or rescheduling, the airline can fly you A-C or A-D-C and you can't do a thing about it.
– Jim MacKenzie
Dec 19 '17 at 15:59
@JimMacKenzie Are there any talks about repricing? Back in the days (around 2010), when one way tickets on e.g. Lufthansa were way more expensive than a round trip (700€ for BCN-STR vs. 100€ for BCN-STR-BCN), it was common practice to book a round trip ticket for a one-way trip. LH explicitly reserved the right to charge the price difference between booked trip and actually taken trip, and it would seem fair to do this first before actually banning someone (they never charged me, but I only did this twice...)
– Sabine
Dec 19 '17 at 17:02
@Sabine I think repricing to avoid hidden-city ticketing would be difficult because of how most airlines do their routes through hubs. If Air Canada flies Calgary-Houston for $200, but United flies Calgary-Denver-Houston, it needs to charge no more than $200 (possibly less), but it may be able to charge $300 for Calgary-Denver and Air Canada charges $300 for Calgary-Toronto-Denver. You may connect through a city that bears higher fares than the destination you seek. This is likely to become even more true as low-cost airlines that avoid hubs become more common.
– Jim MacKenzie
Dec 19 '17 at 17:07
@JimMacKenzie Of course if you book - say - Calgary-Denver-Houston with United (taken from your example), they cannot know that you're planning to get off at Denver. However, AFTER the flight, they would know you never boarded the Denver-Houston flight, so why not send a bill two weeks later, asking for the difference? LH reserved the right to do so, though I wonder if they ever did this (I'm not sure if it's still in their T&C, I couldn't find it at a first glance right now).
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Dec 19 '17 at 17:26
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As of 2017 the answer is no, no one has actually been banned for hidden city or throwaway ticketing. At worst, people were warned of being sued for monetary loss by the airline, but I can't find any examples of someone actually getting to court over the issue.
answered Dec 22 '17 at 11:09
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It's a little hard to say this conclusively, is it not? Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
– Moo
Dec 22 '17 at 11:20
@Moo I've searched extensively on FlyerTalk, news websites and various other forums and didn't even find anecdotal examples of someone no longer being able to fly on a certain airline for violating the T&C in the described manner. If someone does post an answer with an example I'd be happy to remove mine.
– JonathanReez♦
Dec 22 '17 at 11:21
As I said, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Just because you cannot find examples does not mean none exist - in other words, you are trying to prove a negative, which is exceptionally difficult to do. You should really qualify your answer rather than state it as fact.
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Dec 22 '17 at 11:24
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Here is a reference I found: https://www.gao.gov/new.items/d01831.pdf A US-government study on the issue concluding that openly allowing hidden-city ticketing is not generally desirable
I haven't found any concrete cases of passengers being banned for the practice. In honesty, I suspect it would have to be done to an extreme case to be a problem.
It does cause airlines some operational issues. Flights can leave sooner if all passengers have arrived, but passengers that intend not to arrive, of course, never arrive. This prevents flights from departing as quickly. Also, there may be standby passengers whose reservations can be confirmed more quickly and their bags loaded more rapidly, helping airlines maintain their schedule.
I read a lot of posts at FlyerTalk (a web forum) and have found lots of discussion about the issue there, including some flyers who have been warned that if they continue hidden-city ticketing, that they will face repercussions, but have not found any evidence that repercussions actually happened. (I suspect the passengers stopped doing the practice, or changed airlines.)
answered Dec 19 '17 at 15:39
Jim MacKenzie
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So if there aren't any valid examples, why do people warn each other about it? It's like an old wives tale :)
– JonathanReez♦
Dec 19 '17 at 15:43
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I mention it because airlines have in the past warned of it as a possibility. I don't think the threats are empty. Personally, though, I think the worst risk of it is rebooking. That's not within your control and you'd have no recourse if it happened, since you've booked passage from A-B-C even though you really wanted to go to B. In the event of irrops or rescheduling, the airline can fly you A-C or A-D-C and you can't do a thing about it.
– Jim MacKenzie
Dec 19 '17 at 15:59
@JimMacKenzie Are there any talks about repricing? Back in the days (around 2010), when one way tickets on e.g. Lufthansa were way more expensive than a round trip (700€ for BCN-STR vs. 100€ for BCN-STR-BCN), it was common practice to book a round trip ticket for a one-way trip. LH explicitly reserved the right to charge the price difference between booked trip and actually taken trip, and it would seem fair to do this first before actually banning someone (they never charged me, but I only did this twice...)
– Sabine
Dec 19 '17 at 17:02
@Sabine I think repricing to avoid hidden-city ticketing would be difficult because of how most airlines do their routes through hubs. If Air Canada flies Calgary-Houston for $200, but United flies Calgary-Denver-Houston, it needs to charge no more than $200 (possibly less), but it may be able to charge $300 for Calgary-Denver and Air Canada charges $300 for Calgary-Toronto-Denver. You may connect through a city that bears higher fares than the destination you seek. This is likely to become even more true as low-cost airlines that avoid hubs become more common.
– Jim MacKenzie
Dec 19 '17 at 17:07
@JimMacKenzie Of course if you book - say - Calgary-Denver-Houston with United (taken from your example), they cannot know that you're planning to get off at Denver. However, AFTER the flight, they would know you never boarded the Denver-Houston flight, so why not send a bill two weeks later, asking for the difference? LH reserved the right to do so, though I wonder if they ever did this (I'm not sure if it's still in their T&C, I couldn't find it at a first glance right now).
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Here is a reference I found: https://www.gao.gov/new.items/d01831.pdf A US-government study on the issue concluding that openly allowing hidden-city ticketing is not generally desirable
I haven't found any concrete cases of passengers being banned for the practice. In honesty, I suspect it would have to be done to an extreme case to be a problem.
It does cause airlines some operational issues. Flights can leave sooner if all passengers have arrived, but passengers that intend not to arrive, of course, never arrive. This prevents flights from departing as quickly. Also, there may be standby passengers whose reservations can be confirmed more quickly and their bags loaded more rapidly, helping airlines maintain their schedule.
I read a lot of posts at FlyerTalk (a web forum) and have found lots of discussion about the issue there, including some flyers who have been warned that if they continue hidden-city ticketing, that they will face repercussions, but have not found any evidence that repercussions actually happened. (I suspect the passengers stopped doing the practice, or changed airlines.)
answered Dec 19 '17 at 15:39
Jim MacKenzie
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So if there aren't any valid examples, why do people warn each other about it? It's like an old wives tale :)
– JonathanReez♦
Dec 19 '17 at 15:43
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I mention it because airlines have in the past warned of it as a possibility. I don't think the threats are empty. Personally, though, I think the worst risk of it is rebooking. That's not within your control and you'd have no recourse if it happened, since you've booked passage from A-B-C even though you really wanted to go to B. In the event of irrops or rescheduling, the airline can fly you A-C or A-D-C and you can't do a thing about it.
– Jim MacKenzie
Dec 19 '17 at 15:59
@JimMacKenzie Are there any talks about repricing? Back in the days (around 2010), when one way tickets on e.g. Lufthansa were way more expensive than a round trip (700€ for BCN-STR vs. 100€ for BCN-STR-BCN), it was common practice to book a round trip ticket for a one-way trip. LH explicitly reserved the right to charge the price difference between booked trip and actually taken trip, and it would seem fair to do this first before actually banning someone (they never charged me, but I only did this twice...)
– Sabine
Dec 19 '17 at 17:02
@Sabine I think repricing to avoid hidden-city ticketing would be difficult because of how most airlines do their routes through hubs. If Air Canada flies Calgary-Houston for $200, but United flies Calgary-Denver-Houston, it needs to charge no more than $200 (possibly less), but it may be able to charge $300 for Calgary-Denver and Air Canada charges $300 for Calgary-Toronto-Denver. You may connect through a city that bears higher fares than the destination you seek. This is likely to become even more true as low-cost airlines that avoid hubs become more common.
– Jim MacKenzie
Dec 19 '17 at 17:07
@JimMacKenzie Of course if you book - say - Calgary-Denver-Houston with United (taken from your example), they cannot know that you're planning to get off at Denver. However, AFTER the flight, they would know you never boarded the Denver-Houston flight, so why not send a bill two weeks later, asking for the difference? LH reserved the right to do so, though I wonder if they ever did this (I'm not sure if it's still in their T&C, I couldn't find it at a first glance right now).
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Dec 19 '17 at 17:26
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Here is a reference I found: https://www.gao.gov/new.items/d01831.pdf A US-government study on the issue concluding that openly allowing hidden-city ticketing is not generally desirable
I haven't found any concrete cases of passengers being banned for the practice. In honesty, I suspect it would have to be done to an extreme case to be a problem.
It does cause airlines some operational issues. Flights can leave sooner if all passengers have arrived, but passengers that intend not to arrive, of course, never arrive. This prevents flights from departing as quickly. Also, there may be standby passengers whose reservations can be confirmed more quickly and their bags loaded more rapidly, helping airlines maintain their schedule.
I read a lot of posts at FlyerTalk (a web forum) and have found lots of discussion about the issue there, including some flyers who have been warned that if they continue hidden-city ticketing, that they will face repercussions, but have not found any evidence that repercussions actually happened. (I suspect the passengers stopped doing the practice, or changed airlines.)
answered Dec 19 '17 at 15:39
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Here is a reference I found: https://www.gao.gov/new.items/d01831.pdf A US-government study on the issue concluding that openly allowing hidden-city ticketing is not generally desirable
I haven't found any concrete cases of passengers being banned for the practice. In honesty, I suspect it would have to be done to an extreme case to be a problem.
It does cause airlines some operational issues. Flights can leave sooner if all passengers have arrived, but passengers that intend not to arrive, of course, never arrive. This prevents flights from departing as quickly. Also, there may be standby passengers whose reservations can be confirmed more quickly and their bags loaded more rapidly, helping airlines maintain their schedule.
I read a lot of posts at FlyerTalk (a web forum) and have found lots of discussion about the issue there, including some flyers who have been warned that if they continue hidden-city ticketing, that they will face repercussions, but have not found any evidence that repercussions actually happened. (I suspect the passengers stopped doing the practice, or changed airlines.)
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So if there aren't any valid examples, why do people warn each other about it? It's like an old wives tale :)
– JonathanReez♦
Dec 19 '17 at 15:43
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I mention it because airlines have in the past warned of it as a possibility. I don't think the threats are empty. Personally, though, I think the worst risk of it is rebooking. That's not within your control and you'd have no recourse if it happened, since you've booked passage from A-B-C even though you really wanted to go to B. In the event of irrops or rescheduling, the airline can fly you A-C or A-D-C and you can't do a thing about it.
– Jim MacKenzie
Dec 19 '17 at 15:59
@JimMacKenzie Are there any talks about repricing? Back in the days (around 2010), when one way tickets on e.g. Lufthansa were way more expensive than a round trip (700€ for BCN-STR vs. 100€ for BCN-STR-BCN), it was common practice to book a round trip ticket for a one-way trip. LH explicitly reserved the right to charge the price difference between booked trip and actually taken trip, and it would seem fair to do this first before actually banning someone (they never charged me, but I only did this twice...)
– Sabine
Dec 19 '17 at 17:02
@Sabine I think repricing to avoid hidden-city ticketing would be difficult because of how most airlines do their routes through hubs. If Air Canada flies Calgary-Houston for $200, but United flies Calgary-Denver-Houston, it needs to charge no more than $200 (possibly less), but it may be able to charge $300 for Calgary-Denver and Air Canada charges $300 for Calgary-Toronto-Denver. You may connect through a city that bears higher fares than the destination you seek. This is likely to become even more true as low-cost airlines that avoid hubs become more common.
– Jim MacKenzie
Dec 19 '17 at 17:07
@JimMacKenzie Of course if you book - say - Calgary-Denver-Houston with United (taken from your example), they cannot know that you're planning to get off at Denver. However, AFTER the flight, they would know you never boarded the Denver-Houston flight, so why not send a bill two weeks later, asking for the difference? LH reserved the right to do so, though I wonder if they ever did this (I'm not sure if it's still in their T&C, I couldn't find it at a first glance right now).
– Sabine
Dec 19 '17 at 17:26
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So if there aren't any valid examples, why do people warn each other about it? It's like an old wives tale :)
– JonathanReez♦
Dec 19 '17 at 15:43
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I mention it because airlines have in the past warned of it as a possibility. I don't think the threats are empty. Personally, though, I think the worst risk of it is rebooking. That's not within your control and you'd have no recourse if it happened, since you've booked passage from A-B-C even though you really wanted to go to B. In the event of irrops or rescheduling, the airline can fly you A-C or A-D-C and you can't do a thing about it.
– Jim MacKenzie
Dec 19 '17 at 15:59
@JimMacKenzie Are there any talks about repricing? Back in the days (around 2010), when one way tickets on e.g. Lufthansa were way more expensive than a round trip (700€ for BCN-STR vs. 100€ for BCN-STR-BCN), it was common practice to book a round trip ticket for a one-way trip. LH explicitly reserved the right to charge the price difference between booked trip and actually taken trip, and it would seem fair to do this first before actually banning someone (they never charged me, but I only did this twice...)
– Sabine
Dec 19 '17 at 17:02
@Sabine I think repricing to avoid hidden-city ticketing would be difficult because of how most airlines do their routes through hubs. If Air Canada flies Calgary-Houston for $200, but United flies Calgary-Denver-Houston, it needs to charge no more than $200 (possibly less), but it may be able to charge $300 for Calgary-Denver and Air Canada charges $300 for Calgary-Toronto-Denver. You may connect through a city that bears higher fares than the destination you seek. This is likely to become even more true as low-cost airlines that avoid hubs become more common.
– Jim MacKenzie
Dec 19 '17 at 17:07
@JimMacKenzie Of course if you book - say - Calgary-Denver-Houston with United (taken from your example), they cannot know that you're planning to get off at Denver. However, AFTER the flight, they would know you never boarded the Denver-Houston flight, so why not send a bill two weeks later, asking for the difference? LH reserved the right to do so, though I wonder if they ever did this (I'm not sure if it's still in their T&C, I couldn't find it at a first glance right now).
– Sabine
Dec 19 '17 at 17:26
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So if there aren't any valid examples, why do people warn each other about it? It's like an old wives tale :)
– JonathanReez♦
Dec 19 '17 at 15:43
So if there aren't any valid examples, why do people warn each other about it? It's like an old wives tale :)
– JonathanReez♦
Dec 19 '17 at 15:43
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I mention it because airlines have in the past warned of it as a possibility. I don't think the threats are empty. Personally, though, I think the worst risk of it is rebooking. That's not within your control and you'd have no recourse if it happened, since you've booked passage from A-B-C even though you really wanted to go to B. In the event of irrops or rescheduling, the airline can fly you A-C or A-D-C and you can't do a thing about it.
– Jim MacKenzie
Dec 19 '17 at 15:59
I mention it because airlines have in the past warned of it as a possibility. I don't think the threats are empty. Personally, though, I think the worst risk of it is rebooking. That's not within your control and you'd have no recourse if it happened, since you've booked passage from A-B-C even though you really wanted to go to B. In the event of irrops or rescheduling, the airline can fly you A-C or A-D-C and you can't do a thing about it.
– Jim MacKenzie
Dec 19 '17 at 15:59
@JimMacKenzie Are there any talks about repricing? Back in the days (around 2010), when one way tickets on e.g. Lufthansa were way more expensive than a round trip (700€ for BCN-STR vs. 100€ for BCN-STR-BCN), it was common practice to book a round trip ticket for a one-way trip. LH explicitly reserved the right to charge the price difference between booked trip and actually taken trip, and it would seem fair to do this first before actually banning someone (they never charged me, but I only did this twice...)
– Sabine
Dec 19 '17 at 17:02
@JimMacKenzie Are there any talks about repricing? Back in the days (around 2010), when one way tickets on e.g. Lufthansa were way more expensive than a round trip (700€ for BCN-STR vs. 100€ for BCN-STR-BCN), it was common practice to book a round trip ticket for a one-way trip. LH explicitly reserved the right to charge the price difference between booked trip and actually taken trip, and it would seem fair to do this first before actually banning someone (they never charged me, but I only did this twice...)
– Sabine
Dec 19 '17 at 17:02
@Sabine I think repricing to avoid hidden-city ticketing would be difficult because of how most airlines do their routes through hubs. If Air Canada flies Calgary-Houston for $200, but United flies Calgary-Denver-Houston, it needs to charge no more than $200 (possibly less), but it may be able to charge $300 for Calgary-Denver and Air Canada charges $300 for Calgary-Toronto-Denver. You may connect through a city that bears higher fares than the destination you seek. This is likely to become even more true as low-cost airlines that avoid hubs become more common.
– Jim MacKenzie
Dec 19 '17 at 17:07
@Sabine I think repricing to avoid hidden-city ticketing would be difficult because of how most airlines do their routes through hubs. If Air Canada flies Calgary-Houston for $200, but United flies Calgary-Denver-Houston, it needs to charge no more than $200 (possibly less), but it may be able to charge $300 for Calgary-Denver and Air Canada charges $300 for Calgary-Toronto-Denver. You may connect through a city that bears higher fares than the destination you seek. This is likely to become even more true as low-cost airlines that avoid hubs become more common.
– Jim MacKenzie
Dec 19 '17 at 17:07
@JimMacKenzie Of course if you book - say - Calgary-Denver-Houston with United (taken from your example), they cannot know that you're planning to get off at Denver. However, AFTER the flight, they would know you never boarded the Denver-Houston flight, so why not send a bill two weeks later, asking for the difference? LH reserved the right to do so, though I wonder if they ever did this (I'm not sure if it's still in their T&C, I couldn't find it at a first glance right now).
– Sabine
Dec 19 '17 at 17:26
@JimMacKenzie Of course if you book - say - Calgary-Denver-Houston with United (taken from your example), they cannot know that you're planning to get off at Denver. However, AFTER the flight, they would know you never boarded the Denver-Houston flight, so why not send a bill two weeks later, asking for the difference? LH reserved the right to do so, though I wonder if they ever did this (I'm not sure if it's still in their T&C, I couldn't find it at a first glance right now).
– Sabine
Dec 19 '17 at 17:26
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As of 2017 the answer is no, no one has actually been banned for hidden city or throwaway ticketing. At worst, people were warned of being sued for monetary loss by the airline, but I can't find any examples of someone actually getting to court over the issue.
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It's a little hard to say this conclusively, is it not? Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
– Moo
Dec 22 '17 at 11:20
@Moo I've searched extensively on FlyerTalk, news websites and various other forums and didn't even find anecdotal examples of someone no longer being able to fly on a certain airline for violating the T&C in the described manner. If someone does post an answer with an example I'd be happy to remove mine.
– JonathanReez♦
Dec 22 '17 at 11:21
As I said, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Just because you cannot find examples does not mean none exist - in other words, you are trying to prove a negative, which is exceptionally difficult to do. You should really qualify your answer rather than state it as fact.
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As of 2017 the answer is no, no one has actually been banned for hidden city or throwaway ticketing. At worst, people were warned of being sued for monetary loss by the airline, but I can't find any examples of someone actually getting to court over the issue.
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It's a little hard to say this conclusively, is it not? Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
– Moo
Dec 22 '17 at 11:20
@Moo I've searched extensively on FlyerTalk, news websites and various other forums and didn't even find anecdotal examples of someone no longer being able to fly on a certain airline for violating the T&C in the described manner. If someone does post an answer with an example I'd be happy to remove mine.
– JonathanReez♦
Dec 22 '17 at 11:21
As I said, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Just because you cannot find examples does not mean none exist - in other words, you are trying to prove a negative, which is exceptionally difficult to do. You should really qualify your answer rather than state it as fact.
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As of 2017 the answer is no, no one has actually been banned for hidden city or throwaway ticketing. At worst, people were warned of being sued for monetary loss by the airline, but I can't find any examples of someone actually getting to court over the issue.
answered Dec 22 '17 at 11:09
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As of 2017 the answer is no, no one has actually been banned for hidden city or throwaway ticketing. At worst, people were warned of being sued for monetary loss by the airline, but I can't find any examples of someone actually getting to court over the issue.
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It's a little hard to say this conclusively, is it not? Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
– Moo
Dec 22 '17 at 11:20
@Moo I've searched extensively on FlyerTalk, news websites and various other forums and didn't even find anecdotal examples of someone no longer being able to fly on a certain airline for violating the T&C in the described manner. If someone does post an answer with an example I'd be happy to remove mine.
– JonathanReez♦
Dec 22 '17 at 11:21
As I said, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Just because you cannot find examples does not mean none exist - in other words, you are trying to prove a negative, which is exceptionally difficult to do. You should really qualify your answer rather than state it as fact.
– Moo
Dec 22 '17 at 11:24
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It's a little hard to say this conclusively, is it not? Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
– Moo
Dec 22 '17 at 11:20
@Moo I've searched extensively on FlyerTalk, news websites and various other forums and didn't even find anecdotal examples of someone no longer being able to fly on a certain airline for violating the T&C in the described manner. If someone does post an answer with an example I'd be happy to remove mine.
– JonathanReez♦
Dec 22 '17 at 11:21
As I said, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Just because you cannot find examples does not mean none exist - in other words, you are trying to prove a negative, which is exceptionally difficult to do. You should really qualify your answer rather than state it as fact.
– Moo
Dec 22 '17 at 11:24
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It's a little hard to say this conclusively, is it not? Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
– Moo
Dec 22 '17 at 11:20
It's a little hard to say this conclusively, is it not? Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
– Moo
Dec 22 '17 at 11:20
@Moo I've searched extensively on FlyerTalk, news websites and various other forums and didn't even find anecdotal examples of someone no longer being able to fly on a certain airline for violating the T&C in the described manner. If someone does post an answer with an example I'd be happy to remove mine.
– JonathanReez♦
Dec 22 '17 at 11:21
@Moo I've searched extensively on FlyerTalk, news websites and various other forums and didn't even find anecdotal examples of someone no longer being able to fly on a certain airline for violating the T&C in the described manner. If someone does post an answer with an example I'd be happy to remove mine.
– JonathanReez♦
Dec 22 '17 at 11:21
As I said, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Just because you cannot find examples does not mean none exist - in other words, you are trying to prove a negative, which is exceptionally difficult to do. You should really qualify your answer rather than state it as fact.
– Moo
Dec 22 '17 at 11:24
As I said, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Just because you cannot find examples does not mean none exist - in other words, you are trying to prove a negative, which is exceptionally difficult to do. You should really qualify your answer rather than state it as fact.
– Moo
Dec 22 '17 at 11:24
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Why restrict this question to US airlines? We are an international community.
– Jim MacKenzie
Dec 19 '17 at 15:40
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@JimMackenzie to avoid making it too broad? Feel free to edit the question if you know about ankther airline doing it.
– JonathanReez♦
Dec 19 '17 at 15:42
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I don't, but I think if others have had such experiences, that they would be useful. I don't like to see unnecessary americentrism on the Internet.
– Jim MacKenzie
Dec 19 '17 at 15:43
@JimMackenzie done
– JonathanReez♦
Dec 19 '17 at 15:44
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I would say thay restricting the question to US airlines is the right move. Pricing for airlines in other countries is often times less complicated than that in the US. I have found tickets for $500 one way but then $300 round trip. It doesnt make a lot of sense. That is why i say it is a good idea to restrict it to the US conversation.
– user79930
Dec 20 '17 at 11:01