Can departing earlier than scheduled cause problems with UK Immigration?
For UK visitors whose entry are scrutinized and landing interview details recorded, including return flight date and airline etc, will departing earlier than stated on the landing card and via a different route cause any problem on subsequent visits?
Say your original departure was via a direct BA flight to the USA on the 24th of March however you end up leaving a few days earlier still via BA, on the 22nd to Germany for a two day stopover and then on to the USA on the 24th.
It is generally problematic when a visitor stays longer than planned and quite a few visa refusals here on travel stackexchange are because travelers changed their stated departure dates on a previous visit. The explanation is that such a person is viewed as fickle and/or not trustworthy by consular officers/IO's however does the same apply to those who leave a few days early? I would think departing early/on time is always a good thing.
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For UK visitors whose entry are scrutinized and landing interview details recorded, including return flight date and airline etc, will departing earlier than stated on the landing card and via a different route cause any problem on subsequent visits?
Say your original departure was via a direct BA flight to the USA on the 24th of March however you end up leaving a few days earlier still via BA, on the 22nd to Germany for a two day stopover and then on to the USA on the 24th.
It is generally problematic when a visitor stays longer than planned and quite a few visa refusals here on travel stackexchange are because travelers changed their stated departure dates on a previous visit. The explanation is that such a person is viewed as fickle and/or not trustworthy by consular officers/IO's however does the same apply to those who leave a few days early? I would think departing early/on time is always a good thing.
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asked Mar 22 '17 at 2:24
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Perhaps an answer could also explain whether or not it is useful to keep documentation of the change, like boarding passes, etc. so that on a subsequent visa application you can prove that you actually did leave earlier and with a legitimate travel plan.
– CompuChip
Mar 22 '17 at 10:51
@CompuChip I am keeping all that information for posterity regardless.
– Honorary World Citizen
Mar 22 '17 at 12:43
I can't get away from the somewhat trivial answer that anything can cause problems with UK immigration (or with any immigration) if the immigration officer wants it to. Changes of a few days' significance are presumably going to be much less likely to cause problems, but they could nonetheless cause them if the officer sees a way to use them as a basis for suspicion of deception.
– phoog
Mar 22 '17 at 16:02
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For UK visitors whose entry are scrutinized and landing interview details recorded, including return flight date and airline etc, will departing earlier than stated on the landing card and via a different route cause any problem on subsequent visits?
Say your original departure was via a direct BA flight to the USA on the 24th of March however you end up leaving a few days earlier still via BA, on the 22nd to Germany for a two day stopover and then on to the USA on the 24th.
It is generally problematic when a visitor stays longer than planned and quite a few visa refusals here on travel stackexchange are because travelers changed their stated departure dates on a previous visit. The explanation is that such a person is viewed as fickle and/or not trustworthy by consular officers/IO's however does the same apply to those who leave a few days early? I would think departing early/on time is always a good thing.
uk customs-and-immigration legal visa-free-entry
asked Mar 22 '17 at 2:24
Honorary World Citizen
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For UK visitors whose entry are scrutinized and landing interview details recorded, including return flight date and airline etc, will departing earlier than stated on the landing card and via a different route cause any problem on subsequent visits?
Say your original departure was via a direct BA flight to the USA on the 24th of March however you end up leaving a few days earlier still via BA, on the 22nd to Germany for a two day stopover and then on to the USA on the 24th.
It is generally problematic when a visitor stays longer than planned and quite a few visa refusals here on travel stackexchange are because travelers changed their stated departure dates on a previous visit. The explanation is that such a person is viewed as fickle and/or not trustworthy by consular officers/IO's however does the same apply to those who leave a few days early? I would think departing early/on time is always a good thing.
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Perhaps an answer could also explain whether or not it is useful to keep documentation of the change, like boarding passes, etc. so that on a subsequent visa application you can prove that you actually did leave earlier and with a legitimate travel plan.
– CompuChip
Mar 22 '17 at 10:51
@CompuChip I am keeping all that information for posterity regardless.
– Honorary World Citizen
Mar 22 '17 at 12:43
I can't get away from the somewhat trivial answer that anything can cause problems with UK immigration (or with any immigration) if the immigration officer wants it to. Changes of a few days' significance are presumably going to be much less likely to cause problems, but they could nonetheless cause them if the officer sees a way to use them as a basis for suspicion of deception.
– phoog
Mar 22 '17 at 16:02
add a comment |
1
Perhaps an answer could also explain whether or not it is useful to keep documentation of the change, like boarding passes, etc. so that on a subsequent visa application you can prove that you actually did leave earlier and with a legitimate travel plan.
– CompuChip
Mar 22 '17 at 10:51
@CompuChip I am keeping all that information for posterity regardless.
– Honorary World Citizen
Mar 22 '17 at 12:43
I can't get away from the somewhat trivial answer that anything can cause problems with UK immigration (or with any immigration) if the immigration officer wants it to. Changes of a few days' significance are presumably going to be much less likely to cause problems, but they could nonetheless cause them if the officer sees a way to use them as a basis for suspicion of deception.
– phoog
Mar 22 '17 at 16:02
1
1
Perhaps an answer could also explain whether or not it is useful to keep documentation of the change, like boarding passes, etc. so that on a subsequent visa application you can prove that you actually did leave earlier and with a legitimate travel plan.
– CompuChip
Mar 22 '17 at 10:51
Perhaps an answer could also explain whether or not it is useful to keep documentation of the change, like boarding passes, etc. so that on a subsequent visa application you can prove that you actually did leave earlier and with a legitimate travel plan.
– CompuChip
Mar 22 '17 at 10:51
@CompuChip I am keeping all that information for posterity regardless.
– Honorary World Citizen
Mar 22 '17 at 12:43
@CompuChip I am keeping all that information for posterity regardless.
– Honorary World Citizen
Mar 22 '17 at 12:43
I can't get away from the somewhat trivial answer that anything can cause problems with UK immigration (or with any immigration) if the immigration officer wants it to. Changes of a few days' significance are presumably going to be much less likely to cause problems, but they could nonetheless cause them if the officer sees a way to use them as a basis for suspicion of deception.
– phoog
Mar 22 '17 at 16:02
I can't get away from the somewhat trivial answer that anything can cause problems with UK immigration (or with any immigration) if the immigration officer wants it to. Changes of a few days' significance are presumably going to be much less likely to cause problems, but they could nonetheless cause them if the officer sees a way to use them as a basis for suspicion of deception.
– phoog
Mar 22 '17 at 16:02
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No, it won't cause any problems. Plans change. Everyone knows that.
Edit:
I've visited the UK 10+ times. I have changed my travel dates by 2-3 weeks on many occasions. Once I had a return booking 5 days beyond the expiry of my visa. The IO simply asked me to change the booking.
I have had changed plans on my visits to the USA as well. I've never had a problem. It was easier when airlines allowed one change free. I would always book my flight 2 weeks late and then change. Now they charge $100+ so I try to be more precise.
The controlling technical reference for the question is in Part 9 of the rules, "General Grounds".
edited Dec 14 at 14:21
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That's a lovely assertion, but do you have any references / case studies / etc. to link to, to back it up?
– MadHatter
Mar 22 '17 at 7:26
I've visited the UK 10+ times. I have changed my travel dates by 2-3 weeks on many occasions. Once I had a return booking 5 days beyond the expiry of my visa. The IO simply asked me to change the booking.
– greatone
Mar 22 '17 at 7:37
Personal experience is definitely a good basis for an answer, and many around here can attest to the importance of personal impact in discussions with IOs. Thanks for clarifying the basis for your answer, I feel it makes your answer significantly more useful. +1 from me.
– MadHatter
Mar 22 '17 at 7:40
I should add that most reports of problems with refusals are those who have stayed months beyond what they stated. Travel plans change but if you are staying for 5 months when you said you wanted to visit for 2 weeks without justifying why, it does dent your credibility and makes the ECO doubt your original intentions. Most IOs around the world are reasonable (with a few nuts as well).
– greatone
Mar 22 '17 at 7:46
1
+1, good answer, would you please elevate its quality by adding the paragraph or two that explains your personal experience? Also the controlling technical reference for the question is in Part 9 of the rules, "General Grounds", it wouldn't hurt to add that either. Or cut and paste this comment into your answer :) All good. Thanks
– Gayot Fow
Mar 22 '17 at 8:24
|
show 3 more comments
From the Visit Guidance:
Assessing an applicant’s personal circumstances
See: paragraph V 4.2 of appendix V: visitor rules.
The following factors will help you assess if an applicant is a
genuine visitor: • their previous immigration history, including
visits to the UK and other countries • the duration of previous visits
and whether this was significantly longer than they originally
stated on their visa application or on arrival - if this is the
case, you should not automatically presume that the visitor is not
genuine, but this may be a reason to question the applicant’s overall
intentions
Since no mention of staying shorter than originally stated is made, it would appear staying shorter is not viewed as a negative.
However evidence gathered from immigration solicitors indicates leaving earlier sometimes leads to subsequent refusals.
“I have also come across numerous cases where visitors – predominately from African and Indian sub-continent countries – have returned to their countries before the expiry of their visitor visa due to some compelling factors. Further visit visa applications from such clients are regularly refused simply on the basis that they did not adhere to their original travel itinerary.”
answered Jul 25 '17 at 21:13
Honorary World Citizen
19.3k354104
Thanks. But that doesn't make sense. Visitor visas are normally issued for 6 months. Visitors will almost always return well before the expiry of the visa. In fact visitors are supposed to leave before the visa expiry. What does compel mean here? The wording isn't clear. It sounds to me that compelling factors may have forced them to stay much longer than their original plan but they still returned before the visa expiry date. It would have been slightly more clear if there was "just" or "right" before before.
– greatone
Oct 25 at 7:00
That's not what I meant. Either the newspaper has misquoted the solicitor or the solicitor isn't very articulate. If you read the quote, it implies that visitors are expected to overstay. Most likely he is saying: visitors extending their stays by weeks or months until a few days before their visas expire. Refusals under those circumstances may be justifiable. Nowhere is it suggested that they are cutting short their visits or earlier than what they had said in their applications.
– greatone
Oct 25 at 10:32
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No, it won't cause any problems. Plans change. Everyone knows that.
Edit:
I've visited the UK 10+ times. I have changed my travel dates by 2-3 weeks on many occasions. Once I had a return booking 5 days beyond the expiry of my visa. The IO simply asked me to change the booking.
I have had changed plans on my visits to the USA as well. I've never had a problem. It was easier when airlines allowed one change free. I would always book my flight 2 weeks late and then change. Now they charge $100+ so I try to be more precise.
The controlling technical reference for the question is in Part 9 of the rules, "General Grounds".
edited Dec 14 at 14:21
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That's a lovely assertion, but do you have any references / case studies / etc. to link to, to back it up?
– MadHatter
Mar 22 '17 at 7:26
I've visited the UK 10+ times. I have changed my travel dates by 2-3 weeks on many occasions. Once I had a return booking 5 days beyond the expiry of my visa. The IO simply asked me to change the booking.
– greatone
Mar 22 '17 at 7:37
Personal experience is definitely a good basis for an answer, and many around here can attest to the importance of personal impact in discussions with IOs. Thanks for clarifying the basis for your answer, I feel it makes your answer significantly more useful. +1 from me.
– MadHatter
Mar 22 '17 at 7:40
I should add that most reports of problems with refusals are those who have stayed months beyond what they stated. Travel plans change but if you are staying for 5 months when you said you wanted to visit for 2 weeks without justifying why, it does dent your credibility and makes the ECO doubt your original intentions. Most IOs around the world are reasonable (with a few nuts as well).
– greatone
Mar 22 '17 at 7:46
1
+1, good answer, would you please elevate its quality by adding the paragraph or two that explains your personal experience? Also the controlling technical reference for the question is in Part 9 of the rules, "General Grounds", it wouldn't hurt to add that either. Or cut and paste this comment into your answer :) All good. Thanks
– Gayot Fow
Mar 22 '17 at 8:24
|
show 3 more comments
No, it won't cause any problems. Plans change. Everyone knows that.
Edit:
I've visited the UK 10+ times. I have changed my travel dates by 2-3 weeks on many occasions. Once I had a return booking 5 days beyond the expiry of my visa. The IO simply asked me to change the booking.
I have had changed plans on my visits to the USA as well. I've never had a problem. It was easier when airlines allowed one change free. I would always book my flight 2 weeks late and then change. Now they charge $100+ so I try to be more precise.
The controlling technical reference for the question is in Part 9 of the rules, "General Grounds".
edited Dec 14 at 14:21
Honorary World Citizen
19.3k354104
answered Mar 22 '17 at 7:23
greatone
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That's a lovely assertion, but do you have any references / case studies / etc. to link to, to back it up?
– MadHatter
Mar 22 '17 at 7:26
I've visited the UK 10+ times. I have changed my travel dates by 2-3 weeks on many occasions. Once I had a return booking 5 days beyond the expiry of my visa. The IO simply asked me to change the booking.
– greatone
Mar 22 '17 at 7:37
Personal experience is definitely a good basis for an answer, and many around here can attest to the importance of personal impact in discussions with IOs. Thanks for clarifying the basis for your answer, I feel it makes your answer significantly more useful. +1 from me.
– MadHatter
Mar 22 '17 at 7:40
I should add that most reports of problems with refusals are those who have stayed months beyond what they stated. Travel plans change but if you are staying for 5 months when you said you wanted to visit for 2 weeks without justifying why, it does dent your credibility and makes the ECO doubt your original intentions. Most IOs around the world are reasonable (with a few nuts as well).
– greatone
Mar 22 '17 at 7:46
1
+1, good answer, would you please elevate its quality by adding the paragraph or two that explains your personal experience? Also the controlling technical reference for the question is in Part 9 of the rules, "General Grounds", it wouldn't hurt to add that either. Or cut and paste this comment into your answer :) All good. Thanks
– Gayot Fow
Mar 22 '17 at 8:24
|
show 3 more comments
No, it won't cause any problems. Plans change. Everyone knows that.
Edit:
I've visited the UK 10+ times. I have changed my travel dates by 2-3 weeks on many occasions. Once I had a return booking 5 days beyond the expiry of my visa. The IO simply asked me to change the booking.
I have had changed plans on my visits to the USA as well. I've never had a problem. It was easier when airlines allowed one change free. I would always book my flight 2 weeks late and then change. Now they charge $100+ so I try to be more precise.
The controlling technical reference for the question is in Part 9 of the rules, "General Grounds".
edited Dec 14 at 14:21
Honorary World Citizen
19.3k354104
answered Mar 22 '17 at 7:23
greatone
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No, it won't cause any problems. Plans change. Everyone knows that.
Edit:
I've visited the UK 10+ times. I have changed my travel dates by 2-3 weeks on many occasions. Once I had a return booking 5 days beyond the expiry of my visa. The IO simply asked me to change the booking.
I have had changed plans on my visits to the USA as well. I've never had a problem. It was easier when airlines allowed one change free. I would always book my flight 2 weeks late and then change. Now they charge $100+ so I try to be more precise.
The controlling technical reference for the question is in Part 9 of the rules, "General Grounds".
edited Dec 14 at 14:21
Honorary World Citizen
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answered Mar 22 '17 at 7:23
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edited Dec 14 at 14:21
Honorary World Citizen
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edited Dec 14 at 14:21
Honorary World Citizen
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edited Dec 14 at 14:21
Honorary World Citizen
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answered Mar 22 '17 at 7:23
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That's a lovely assertion, but do you have any references / case studies / etc. to link to, to back it up?
– MadHatter
Mar 22 '17 at 7:26
I've visited the UK 10+ times. I have changed my travel dates by 2-3 weeks on many occasions. Once I had a return booking 5 days beyond the expiry of my visa. The IO simply asked me to change the booking.
– greatone
Mar 22 '17 at 7:37
Personal experience is definitely a good basis for an answer, and many around here can attest to the importance of personal impact in discussions with IOs. Thanks for clarifying the basis for your answer, I feel it makes your answer significantly more useful. +1 from me.
– MadHatter
Mar 22 '17 at 7:40
I should add that most reports of problems with refusals are those who have stayed months beyond what they stated. Travel plans change but if you are staying for 5 months when you said you wanted to visit for 2 weeks without justifying why, it does dent your credibility and makes the ECO doubt your original intentions. Most IOs around the world are reasonable (with a few nuts as well).
– greatone
Mar 22 '17 at 7:46
1
+1, good answer, would you please elevate its quality by adding the paragraph or two that explains your personal experience? Also the controlling technical reference for the question is in Part 9 of the rules, "General Grounds", it wouldn't hurt to add that either. Or cut and paste this comment into your answer :) All good. Thanks
– Gayot Fow
Mar 22 '17 at 8:24
|
show 3 more comments
1
That's a lovely assertion, but do you have any references / case studies / etc. to link to, to back it up?
– MadHatter
Mar 22 '17 at 7:26
I've visited the UK 10+ times. I have changed my travel dates by 2-3 weeks on many occasions. Once I had a return booking 5 days beyond the expiry of my visa. The IO simply asked me to change the booking.
– greatone
Mar 22 '17 at 7:37
Personal experience is definitely a good basis for an answer, and many around here can attest to the importance of personal impact in discussions with IOs. Thanks for clarifying the basis for your answer, I feel it makes your answer significantly more useful. +1 from me.
– MadHatter
Mar 22 '17 at 7:40
I should add that most reports of problems with refusals are those who have stayed months beyond what they stated. Travel plans change but if you are staying for 5 months when you said you wanted to visit for 2 weeks without justifying why, it does dent your credibility and makes the ECO doubt your original intentions. Most IOs around the world are reasonable (with a few nuts as well).
– greatone
Mar 22 '17 at 7:46
1
+1, good answer, would you please elevate its quality by adding the paragraph or two that explains your personal experience? Also the controlling technical reference for the question is in Part 9 of the rules, "General Grounds", it wouldn't hurt to add that either. Or cut and paste this comment into your answer :) All good. Thanks
– Gayot Fow
Mar 22 '17 at 8:24
1
1
That's a lovely assertion, but do you have any references / case studies / etc. to link to, to back it up?
– MadHatter
Mar 22 '17 at 7:26
That's a lovely assertion, but do you have any references / case studies / etc. to link to, to back it up?
– MadHatter
Mar 22 '17 at 7:26
I've visited the UK 10+ times. I have changed my travel dates by 2-3 weeks on many occasions. Once I had a return booking 5 days beyond the expiry of my visa. The IO simply asked me to change the booking.
– greatone
Mar 22 '17 at 7:37
I've visited the UK 10+ times. I have changed my travel dates by 2-3 weeks on many occasions. Once I had a return booking 5 days beyond the expiry of my visa. The IO simply asked me to change the booking.
– greatone
Mar 22 '17 at 7:37
Personal experience is definitely a good basis for an answer, and many around here can attest to the importance of personal impact in discussions with IOs. Thanks for clarifying the basis for your answer, I feel it makes your answer significantly more useful. +1 from me.
– MadHatter
Mar 22 '17 at 7:40
Personal experience is definitely a good basis for an answer, and many around here can attest to the importance of personal impact in discussions with IOs. Thanks for clarifying the basis for your answer, I feel it makes your answer significantly more useful. +1 from me.
– MadHatter
Mar 22 '17 at 7:40
I should add that most reports of problems with refusals are those who have stayed months beyond what they stated. Travel plans change but if you are staying for 5 months when you said you wanted to visit for 2 weeks without justifying why, it does dent your credibility and makes the ECO doubt your original intentions. Most IOs around the world are reasonable (with a few nuts as well).
– greatone
Mar 22 '17 at 7:46
I should add that most reports of problems with refusals are those who have stayed months beyond what they stated. Travel plans change but if you are staying for 5 months when you said you wanted to visit for 2 weeks without justifying why, it does dent your credibility and makes the ECO doubt your original intentions. Most IOs around the world are reasonable (with a few nuts as well).
– greatone
Mar 22 '17 at 7:46
1
1
+1, good answer, would you please elevate its quality by adding the paragraph or two that explains your personal experience? Also the controlling technical reference for the question is in Part 9 of the rules, "General Grounds", it wouldn't hurt to add that either. Or cut and paste this comment into your answer :) All good. Thanks
– Gayot Fow
Mar 22 '17 at 8:24
+1, good answer, would you please elevate its quality by adding the paragraph or two that explains your personal experience? Also the controlling technical reference for the question is in Part 9 of the rules, "General Grounds", it wouldn't hurt to add that either. Or cut and paste this comment into your answer :) All good. Thanks
– Gayot Fow
Mar 22 '17 at 8:24
|
show 3 more comments
From the Visit Guidance:
Assessing an applicant’s personal circumstances
See: paragraph V 4.2 of appendix V: visitor rules.
The following factors will help you assess if an applicant is a
genuine visitor: • their previous immigration history, including
visits to the UK and other countries • the duration of previous visits
and whether this was significantly longer than they originally
stated on their visa application or on arrival - if this is the
case, you should not automatically presume that the visitor is not
genuine, but this may be a reason to question the applicant’s overall
intentions
Since no mention of staying shorter than originally stated is made, it would appear staying shorter is not viewed as a negative.
However evidence gathered from immigration solicitors indicates leaving earlier sometimes leads to subsequent refusals.
“I have also come across numerous cases where visitors – predominately from African and Indian sub-continent countries – have returned to their countries before the expiry of their visitor visa due to some compelling factors. Further visit visa applications from such clients are regularly refused simply on the basis that they did not adhere to their original travel itinerary.”
answered Jul 25 '17 at 21:13
Honorary World Citizen
19.3k354104
Thanks. But that doesn't make sense. Visitor visas are normally issued for 6 months. Visitors will almost always return well before the expiry of the visa. In fact visitors are supposed to leave before the visa expiry. What does compel mean here? The wording isn't clear. It sounds to me that compelling factors may have forced them to stay much longer than their original plan but they still returned before the visa expiry date. It would have been slightly more clear if there was "just" or "right" before before.
– greatone
Oct 25 at 7:00
That's not what I meant. Either the newspaper has misquoted the solicitor or the solicitor isn't very articulate. If you read the quote, it implies that visitors are expected to overstay. Most likely he is saying: visitors extending their stays by weeks or months until a few days before their visas expire. Refusals under those circumstances may be justifiable. Nowhere is it suggested that they are cutting short their visits or earlier than what they had said in their applications.
– greatone
Oct 25 at 10:32
add a comment |
From the Visit Guidance:
Assessing an applicant’s personal circumstances
See: paragraph V 4.2 of appendix V: visitor rules.
The following factors will help you assess if an applicant is a
genuine visitor: • their previous immigration history, including
visits to the UK and other countries • the duration of previous visits
and whether this was significantly longer than they originally
stated on their visa application or on arrival - if this is the
case, you should not automatically presume that the visitor is not
genuine, but this may be a reason to question the applicant’s overall
intentions
Since no mention of staying shorter than originally stated is made, it would appear staying shorter is not viewed as a negative.
However evidence gathered from immigration solicitors indicates leaving earlier sometimes leads to subsequent refusals.
“I have also come across numerous cases where visitors – predominately from African and Indian sub-continent countries – have returned to their countries before the expiry of their visitor visa due to some compelling factors. Further visit visa applications from such clients are regularly refused simply on the basis that they did not adhere to their original travel itinerary.”
answered Jul 25 '17 at 21:13
Honorary World Citizen
19.3k354104
Thanks. But that doesn't make sense. Visitor visas are normally issued for 6 months. Visitors will almost always return well before the expiry of the visa. In fact visitors are supposed to leave before the visa expiry. What does compel mean here? The wording isn't clear. It sounds to me that compelling factors may have forced them to stay much longer than their original plan but they still returned before the visa expiry date. It would have been slightly more clear if there was "just" or "right" before before.
– greatone
Oct 25 at 7:00
That's not what I meant. Either the newspaper has misquoted the solicitor or the solicitor isn't very articulate. If you read the quote, it implies that visitors are expected to overstay. Most likely he is saying: visitors extending their stays by weeks or months until a few days before their visas expire. Refusals under those circumstances may be justifiable. Nowhere is it suggested that they are cutting short their visits or earlier than what they had said in their applications.
– greatone
Oct 25 at 10:32
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From the Visit Guidance:
Assessing an applicant’s personal circumstances
See: paragraph V 4.2 of appendix V: visitor rules.
The following factors will help you assess if an applicant is a
genuine visitor: • their previous immigration history, including
visits to the UK and other countries • the duration of previous visits
and whether this was significantly longer than they originally
stated on their visa application or on arrival - if this is the
case, you should not automatically presume that the visitor is not
genuine, but this may be a reason to question the applicant’s overall
intentions
Since no mention of staying shorter than originally stated is made, it would appear staying shorter is not viewed as a negative.
However evidence gathered from immigration solicitors indicates leaving earlier sometimes leads to subsequent refusals.
“I have also come across numerous cases where visitors – predominately from African and Indian sub-continent countries – have returned to their countries before the expiry of their visitor visa due to some compelling factors. Further visit visa applications from such clients are regularly refused simply on the basis that they did not adhere to their original travel itinerary.”
answered Jul 25 '17 at 21:13
Honorary World Citizen
19.3k354104
From the Visit Guidance:
Assessing an applicant’s personal circumstances
See: paragraph V 4.2 of appendix V: visitor rules.
The following factors will help you assess if an applicant is a
genuine visitor: • their previous immigration history, including
visits to the UK and other countries • the duration of previous visits
and whether this was significantly longer than they originally
stated on their visa application or on arrival - if this is the
case, you should not automatically presume that the visitor is not
genuine, but this may be a reason to question the applicant’s overall
intentions
Since no mention of staying shorter than originally stated is made, it would appear staying shorter is not viewed as a negative.
However evidence gathered from immigration solicitors indicates leaving earlier sometimes leads to subsequent refusals.
“I have also come across numerous cases where visitors – predominately from African and Indian sub-continent countries – have returned to their countries before the expiry of their visitor visa due to some compelling factors. Further visit visa applications from such clients are regularly refused simply on the basis that they did not adhere to their original travel itinerary.”
answered Jul 25 '17 at 21:13
Honorary World Citizen
19.3k354104
edited Oct 24 at 12:29
answered Jul 25 '17 at 21:13
Honorary World Citizen
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answered Jul 25 '17 at 21:13
Honorary World Citizen
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answered Jul 25 '17 at 21:13
Honorary World Citizen
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Thanks. But that doesn't make sense. Visitor visas are normally issued for 6 months. Visitors will almost always return well before the expiry of the visa. In fact visitors are supposed to leave before the visa expiry. What does compel mean here? The wording isn't clear. It sounds to me that compelling factors may have forced them to stay much longer than their original plan but they still returned before the visa expiry date. It would have been slightly more clear if there was "just" or "right" before before.
– greatone
Oct 25 at 7:00
That's not what I meant. Either the newspaper has misquoted the solicitor or the solicitor isn't very articulate. If you read the quote, it implies that visitors are expected to overstay. Most likely he is saying: visitors extending their stays by weeks or months until a few days before their visas expire. Refusals under those circumstances may be justifiable. Nowhere is it suggested that they are cutting short their visits or earlier than what they had said in their applications.
– greatone
Oct 25 at 10:32
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Thanks. But that doesn't make sense. Visitor visas are normally issued for 6 months. Visitors will almost always return well before the expiry of the visa. In fact visitors are supposed to leave before the visa expiry. What does compel mean here? The wording isn't clear. It sounds to me that compelling factors may have forced them to stay much longer than their original plan but they still returned before the visa expiry date. It would have been slightly more clear if there was "just" or "right" before before.
– greatone
Oct 25 at 7:00
That's not what I meant. Either the newspaper has misquoted the solicitor or the solicitor isn't very articulate. If you read the quote, it implies that visitors are expected to overstay. Most likely he is saying: visitors extending their stays by weeks or months until a few days before their visas expire. Refusals under those circumstances may be justifiable. Nowhere is it suggested that they are cutting short their visits or earlier than what they had said in their applications.
– greatone
Oct 25 at 10:32
Thanks. But that doesn't make sense. Visitor visas are normally issued for 6 months. Visitors will almost always return well before the expiry of the visa. In fact visitors are supposed to leave before the visa expiry. What does compel mean here? The wording isn't clear. It sounds to me that compelling factors may have forced them to stay much longer than their original plan but they still returned before the visa expiry date. It would have been slightly more clear if there was "just" or "right" before before.
– greatone
Oct 25 at 7:00
Thanks. But that doesn't make sense. Visitor visas are normally issued for 6 months. Visitors will almost always return well before the expiry of the visa. In fact visitors are supposed to leave before the visa expiry. What does compel mean here? The wording isn't clear. It sounds to me that compelling factors may have forced them to stay much longer than their original plan but they still returned before the visa expiry date. It would have been slightly more clear if there was "just" or "right" before before.
– greatone
Oct 25 at 7:00
That's not what I meant. Either the newspaper has misquoted the solicitor or the solicitor isn't very articulate. If you read the quote, it implies that visitors are expected to overstay. Most likely he is saying: visitors extending their stays by weeks or months until a few days before their visas expire. Refusals under those circumstances may be justifiable. Nowhere is it suggested that they are cutting short their visits or earlier than what they had said in their applications.
– greatone
Oct 25 at 10:32
That's not what I meant. Either the newspaper has misquoted the solicitor or the solicitor isn't very articulate. If you read the quote, it implies that visitors are expected to overstay. Most likely he is saying: visitors extending their stays by weeks or months until a few days before their visas expire. Refusals under those circumstances may be justifiable. Nowhere is it suggested that they are cutting short their visits or earlier than what they had said in their applications.
– greatone
Oct 25 at 10:32
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Perhaps an answer could also explain whether or not it is useful to keep documentation of the change, like boarding passes, etc. so that on a subsequent visa application you can prove that you actually did leave earlier and with a legitimate travel plan.
– CompuChip
Mar 22 '17 at 10:51
@CompuChip I am keeping all that information for posterity regardless.
– Honorary World Citizen
Mar 22 '17 at 12:43
I can't get away from the somewhat trivial answer that anything can cause problems with UK immigration (or with any immigration) if the immigration officer wants it to. Changes of a few days' significance are presumably going to be much less likely to cause problems, but they could nonetheless cause them if the officer sees a way to use them as a basis for suspicion of deception.
– phoog
Mar 22 '17 at 16:02