I was born in Yemen, but to British parents and never had Yemeni citizenship. Can I travel to the USA under the Trump ban?










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Always been British and left Yemen as a young child many decades ago. But I was born there and it says so in my passport. Can I travel to the USA?



Same question applies to children born in any of the 7 countries banned by Trump.










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    Are you old enough that it was Aden when you were born?
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    How desperate are you to travel to USA, how soon?
    – pnuts
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    It was as Aden ....so I am old enough :,-(
    – Colin Young
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    Born in a Brit territory to Brit parents; next renewal, ask the UK gov't to change it to British Protectorate of Aden. I can guarantee that NO ONE in CBP will know what that means. And what is now Yemen does not confer citizenship by virtue of birth in the country.
    – Giorgio
    Jan 29 '17 at 21:12






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    What does your passport say as to where you were born? does it say something like British overseas or YEMEN? Just curious, as I don't know what the UK would put when one of their former territories is independent
    – Matthew Barclay
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Always been British and left Yemen as a young child many decades ago. But I was born there and it says so in my passport. Can I travel to the USA?



Same question applies to children born in any of the 7 countries banned by Trump.










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    Are you old enough that it was Aden when you were born?
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    How desperate are you to travel to USA, how soon?
    – pnuts
    Jan 29 '17 at 19:49






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    It was as Aden ....so I am old enough :,-(
    – Colin Young
    Jan 29 '17 at 20:50






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    Born in a Brit territory to Brit parents; next renewal, ask the UK gov't to change it to British Protectorate of Aden. I can guarantee that NO ONE in CBP will know what that means. And what is now Yemen does not confer citizenship by virtue of birth in the country.
    – Giorgio
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    What does your passport say as to where you were born? does it say something like British overseas or YEMEN? Just curious, as I don't know what the UK would put when one of their former territories is independent
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Always been British and left Yemen as a young child many decades ago. But I was born there and it says so in my passport. Can I travel to the USA?



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Always been British and left Yemen as a young child many decades ago. But I was born there and it says so in my passport. Can I travel to the USA?



Same question applies to children born in any of the 7 countries banned by Trump.







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    Are you old enough that it was Aden when you were born?
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    How desperate are you to travel to USA, how soon?
    – pnuts
    Jan 29 '17 at 19:49






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    It was as Aden ....so I am old enough :,-(
    – Colin Young
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    Born in a Brit territory to Brit parents; next renewal, ask the UK gov't to change it to British Protectorate of Aden. I can guarantee that NO ONE in CBP will know what that means. And what is now Yemen does not confer citizenship by virtue of birth in the country.
    – Giorgio
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    What does your passport say as to where you were born? does it say something like British overseas or YEMEN? Just curious, as I don't know what the UK would put when one of their former territories is independent
    – Matthew Barclay
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    Are you old enough that it was Aden when you were born?
    – Giorgio
    Jan 29 '17 at 19:44






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    How desperate are you to travel to USA, how soon?
    – pnuts
    Jan 29 '17 at 19:49






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    It was as Aden ....so I am old enough :,-(
    – Colin Young
    Jan 29 '17 at 20:50






  • 9




    Born in a Brit territory to Brit parents; next renewal, ask the UK gov't to change it to British Protectorate of Aden. I can guarantee that NO ONE in CBP will know what that means. And what is now Yemen does not confer citizenship by virtue of birth in the country.
    – Giorgio
    Jan 29 '17 at 21:12






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    What does your passport say as to where you were born? does it say something like British overseas or YEMEN? Just curious, as I don't know what the UK would put when one of their former territories is independent
    – Matthew Barclay
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Are you old enough that it was Aden when you were born?
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Jan 29 '17 at 19:44




Are you old enough that it was Aden when you were born?
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Jan 29 '17 at 19:44




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How desperate are you to travel to USA, how soon?
– pnuts
Jan 29 '17 at 19:49




How desperate are you to travel to USA, how soon?
– pnuts
Jan 29 '17 at 19:49




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It was as Aden ....so I am old enough :,-(
– Colin Young
Jan 29 '17 at 20:50




It was as Aden ....so I am old enough :,-(
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Jan 29 '17 at 20:50




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Born in a Brit territory to Brit parents; next renewal, ask the UK gov't to change it to British Protectorate of Aden. I can guarantee that NO ONE in CBP will know what that means. And what is now Yemen does not confer citizenship by virtue of birth in the country.
– Giorgio
Jan 29 '17 at 21:12




Born in a Brit territory to Brit parents; next renewal, ask the UK gov't to change it to British Protectorate of Aden. I can guarantee that NO ONE in CBP will know what that means. And what is now Yemen does not confer citizenship by virtue of birth in the country.
– Giorgio
Jan 29 '17 at 21:12




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What does your passport say as to where you were born? does it say something like British overseas or YEMEN? Just curious, as I don't know what the UK would put when one of their former territories is independent
– Matthew Barclay
Mar 11 '18 at 19:30





What does your passport say as to where you were born? does it say something like British overseas or YEMEN? Just curious, as I don't know what the UK would put when one of their former territories is independent
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CBP put out a series of questions and answers on February 1, which said that the ban on entry and visas will only be enforced based on the passport that is presented by the traveler. Even if you had dual nationality with one of the 7 countries, it wouldn't matter as long as you present the passport of another country:




Does this Executive Order apply to dual nationals of the seven
countries who want to enter the United States? If they apply for entry
based on their citizenship from one of the countries NOT on the list,
will they be allowed entry?



Travelers are being processed and, when eligible, admitted according
to the travel document they present.



Can a dual national traveling with a passport from an unrestricted
country travel to the United States?



Dual nationals with a valid immigrant or nonimmigrant visa in a
passport issued by any country not restricted under the Executive
Order will be permitted to apply for admission to the United States.



Can a dual national who holds nationality with a restricted country
and is currently overseas, apply for an immigrant or nonimmigrant visa
to the United States?



Department of State’s Posts are allowed to process visa applications
and issue nonimmigrant and immigrant visas to otherwise eligible visa
applicants who apply with a passport from an unrestricted country,
even if they hold dual nationality from a restricted country. Please
contact the Department of State with any questions related to the
issuance of visas.







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  • This doesn’t address the question. The OP is not a dual national, only born in (what is now) a country affected by the ban.
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  • @chirlu: "The OP is not a dual national" The OP has not provided enough information to determine that they are not a dual national.
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    “Always been British” and “never had Yemeni citizenship” seems pretty clear to me. In any case, the point is that his place of birth will be named in his British passport, too.
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We've had a similar question recently about traveling to the US as a child of an Iranian citizen. It was a ban enacted by the Obama administration, but it is directly referenced by the Trump ban (that's where the list of 7 countries comes from), so I assume the interpretation should be the same. Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be an official guideline about people in your situation, but one data point mentions that:




I ended up going to the US without a visa and was allowed through with no problems. He didn't ask any questions about my nationality. An uncle I was traveling with, who is a British citizen but was born in Iran, got a visa and when he was going through customs and immigration was asked why he got a visa when he didn't need one! The officer said he would have been fine with just an approved ESTA...




So I assume you should be okay to enter, but it's also possible that the airline would err on the side of caution and deny you boarding. Overall I'd recommend waiting for a couple of months to see how things play out - at the very least there would be enough data points to answer your specific question.






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    If by "the interpretation should be the same" you mean that both rules apply to the same persons, you are almost certainly mistaken. At least I have this far not heard about anyone being banned for simply visiting Iran. Which gives you zero data points.
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  • @ptityeti people have been banned from using the VWP after visiting Iran - and there's a direct data point about that.
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    I know. I am such a data point. This does not imply that I am banned from entry to the US, what the executive order is about. Only that I have to apply for a visa (which I did last week).
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    Jan 30 '17 at 13:38






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    No. The whole thing about the executive order is that people are denied entry with valid visas, with valid green cards. VWP is not even mentioned in the order (the VIWP is).
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    (My last comment) To be clear: I also think that OP can enter and think he can under the VWP. But the argument that this order doesn't apply to him because another rule doesn't apply to him doesn't fly if both don't apply to the same population. Especially because knowing whom the order applies to is very unclear with completely contradicting interpretations from all kinds of officials. And I'm way past looking for logic in the decision.
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According to a statement by the Foreign Office, only people travelling from those countries are targeted by the order. Even dual nationals will be allowed into the US. It appears safe to deduce from this, that a British national with a less strong link to Yemen will be allowed in the country:




The Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson has today held conversations with the US Government and as a result we can clarify that:



  • The Presidential executive order only applies to individuals
    travelling from one of the seven named countries.


  • If you are travelling to the US from anywhere other than one of those countries (for instance, the UK) the executive order does not apply to you and you will experience no extra checks regardless of
    your nationality or your place of birth.


  • If you are a UK national who happens to be travelling from one of those countries to the US, then the order does not apply to you –
    even if you were born in one of those countries.


  • If you are a dual citizen of one of those countries travelling to the US from OUTSIDE those countries then the order does not apply to
    you.


The only dual nationals who might have extra checks are those coming from one of the seven countries themselves – for example a UK-Libya dual national coming from Libya to the US.



The US has reaffirmed its strong commitment to the expeditious processing of all travellers from the United Kingdom.




(emphasis by me)



In how far this is known to border guards is another can of worms, to which I have no answer. At the moment I don't have an official US source stating the same information.



The US embassy in the UK, unfortunately, released a statement




Per U.S. Presidential Executive Order signed on January 27, 2017, visa issuance to aliens from the countries of Iraq, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen has been suspended effective immediately until further notification.



If you are a national, or dual national, of one of these countries, please do not schedule a visa appointment or pay any visa fees at this time.



If you already have an appointment scheduled, please DO NOT ATTEND your appointment as we will not be able to proceed with your visa interview. Please note that certain travel for official governmental purposes, related to official business at or on behalf of designated international organizations, on behalf of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, or by certain officials is not subject to this suspension.




They do not state that dual nationals are banned (only that you will not get a visa at this time), which makes me think they put the unclear cases on hold awaiting clarification at the moment. They also make no statement about people born in those countries, which is your case.






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    The Foreign Office's interpretation of the executive order does not agree at all with the US executive administration's interpretation, so I am sorry to say that their advice is fairly useless.
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    I am saying that people are being denied entry to the US because of their citizenship regardless of the place from which they began their journeys. I don't doubt that the administration told BoJo what he says they told him, so I don't think he's lying. The problem is that the administration has not articulated a consistent policy, and actual implementation of the order has been wildly inconsistent.
    – phoog
    Jan 29 '17 at 22:45






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    Mr. Johnson is wrong.
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The recent executive order temporarily suspends issuing visas to anyone who either is a national of the banned countries or originated (was born) in the country. If you were born in Yemen, then under the order the Department of State would be prevented from processing your visa, assuming that it obeys the order. Note that you could attempt to prove to the Department of State that you are not a national of Yemen, but that will require a visa review which will take time (months). So, you can probably get a visa, but it will not happen automatically and instantly.



If you already in the country, then the situation may be different because there are various legal challenges to parts of the order that may apply to people already in the United States, but if you are out of the United States right now, it may be difficult to get a visa to enter.



The US State Department said that Britons with dual nationality with
Syria, Iraq, Iran, Sudan, Libya, Somalia and Yemen will be stopped at
the US border for the next 90 days.



A US immigration officer, like those of most countries, has wide latitude to deny entry to any foreign national for any reason. You cannot sue the United States to allow you entry. This is called consular non-reviewability in US legal practice. Basically what it means is that you can be refused entry for ANY reason and they don't have to even give you a reason. Even US citizens can be denied entry. For example, Vin Diesel, a famous American actor was recently refused entry into the United States, even though he is a US citizen. He is just one of thousands of American citizens who get arbitrarily denied entry to the United States. The Supreme Court has repeated ruled that the State Department can deny entry to anyone (including US citizens) for any reason "at will". See United States v. Flores-Montano, 541 U.S. 149. US citizens get denied at the Mexican border routinely just for being drunk, or for any number of reasons. If a border agent doesn't like your body odor he can refuse you entry.






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    "Issuing visas" isn't really germane here since normally UK citizens can travel under the Visa Waiver Program and do not need to apply for a visa. It would help if you can explain how this affects matters. Also, since there is a lot of confusion about what the order actually does and says, could you add references for your assertions? It would help to include dates since, due to ongoing legal action, there is reason to believe the situation may change quickly.
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    In particular, I am not sure where you are getting the applicability to people who "originated" in a country. The text of the executive order, in section 3 (c), simply refers to aliens "from" those countries. It is not clear to me what that means; are you aware of official clarification on the matter, and can you point us to it?
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    Vin Diesel was not refused entry into the US. He is a US citizen, obtained Filipino dual citizenship, and (inexplicably) applied for a US visa on that passport, which was (predictably) refused. Or, I should say, he was reported to have done so, by only one source I could find, which doesn't appear very reliable due to the obvious factual mistakes in the reporting.
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    Like I said, I have never been Yemeni! Never been dual national with any other country. Just British since birth to British parents. And have travelled to the USA before on the VWP. Also I have no intention of suing anyone and don't really care for Vin Diesel.
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CBP put out a series of questions and answers on February 1, which said that the ban on entry and visas will only be enforced based on the passport that is presented by the traveler. Even if you had dual nationality with one of the 7 countries, it wouldn't matter as long as you present the passport of another country:




Does this Executive Order apply to dual nationals of the seven
countries who want to enter the United States? If they apply for entry
based on their citizenship from one of the countries NOT on the list,
will they be allowed entry?



Travelers are being processed and, when eligible, admitted according
to the travel document they present.



Can a dual national traveling with a passport from an unrestricted
country travel to the United States?



Dual nationals with a valid immigrant or nonimmigrant visa in a
passport issued by any country not restricted under the Executive
Order will be permitted to apply for admission to the United States.



Can a dual national who holds nationality with a restricted country
and is currently overseas, apply for an immigrant or nonimmigrant visa
to the United States?



Department of State’s Posts are allowed to process visa applications
and issue nonimmigrant and immigrant visas to otherwise eligible visa
applicants who apply with a passport from an unrestricted country,
even if they hold dual nationality from a restricted country. Please
contact the Department of State with any questions related to the
issuance of visas.







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  • This doesn’t address the question. The OP is not a dual national, only born in (what is now) a country affected by the ban.
    – chirlu
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  • @chirlu: "The OP is not a dual national" The OP has not provided enough information to determine that they are not a dual national.
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    “Always been British” and “never had Yemeni citizenship” seems pretty clear to me. In any case, the point is that his place of birth will be named in his British passport, too.
    – chirlu
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    @chirlu: Many people don't know they have a nationality.
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CBP put out a series of questions and answers on February 1, which said that the ban on entry and visas will only be enforced based on the passport that is presented by the traveler. Even if you had dual nationality with one of the 7 countries, it wouldn't matter as long as you present the passport of another country:




Does this Executive Order apply to dual nationals of the seven
countries who want to enter the United States? If they apply for entry
based on their citizenship from one of the countries NOT on the list,
will they be allowed entry?



Travelers are being processed and, when eligible, admitted according
to the travel document they present.



Can a dual national traveling with a passport from an unrestricted
country travel to the United States?



Dual nationals with a valid immigrant or nonimmigrant visa in a
passport issued by any country not restricted under the Executive
Order will be permitted to apply for admission to the United States.



Can a dual national who holds nationality with a restricted country
and is currently overseas, apply for an immigrant or nonimmigrant visa
to the United States?



Department of State’s Posts are allowed to process visa applications
and issue nonimmigrant and immigrant visas to otherwise eligible visa
applicants who apply with a passport from an unrestricted country,
even if they hold dual nationality from a restricted country. Please
contact the Department of State with any questions related to the
issuance of visas.







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  • This doesn’t address the question. The OP is not a dual national, only born in (what is now) a country affected by the ban.
    – chirlu
    Feb 20 '17 at 18:02










  • @chirlu: "The OP is not a dual national" The OP has not provided enough information to determine that they are not a dual national.
    – user102008
    Feb 20 '17 at 18:10







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    “Always been British” and “never had Yemeni citizenship” seems pretty clear to me. In any case, the point is that his place of birth will be named in his British passport, too.
    – chirlu
    Feb 20 '17 at 18:23







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    @chirlu: Many people don't know they have a nationality.
    – user102008
    Feb 20 '17 at 20:23













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CBP put out a series of questions and answers on February 1, which said that the ban on entry and visas will only be enforced based on the passport that is presented by the traveler. Even if you had dual nationality with one of the 7 countries, it wouldn't matter as long as you present the passport of another country:




Does this Executive Order apply to dual nationals of the seven
countries who want to enter the United States? If they apply for entry
based on their citizenship from one of the countries NOT on the list,
will they be allowed entry?



Travelers are being processed and, when eligible, admitted according
to the travel document they present.



Can a dual national traveling with a passport from an unrestricted
country travel to the United States?



Dual nationals with a valid immigrant or nonimmigrant visa in a
passport issued by any country not restricted under the Executive
Order will be permitted to apply for admission to the United States.



Can a dual national who holds nationality with a restricted country
and is currently overseas, apply for an immigrant or nonimmigrant visa
to the United States?



Department of State’s Posts are allowed to process visa applications
and issue nonimmigrant and immigrant visas to otherwise eligible visa
applicants who apply with a passport from an unrestricted country,
even if they hold dual nationality from a restricted country. Please
contact the Department of State with any questions related to the
issuance of visas.







share|improve this answer












CBP put out a series of questions and answers on February 1, which said that the ban on entry and visas will only be enforced based on the passport that is presented by the traveler. Even if you had dual nationality with one of the 7 countries, it wouldn't matter as long as you present the passport of another country:




Does this Executive Order apply to dual nationals of the seven
countries who want to enter the United States? If they apply for entry
based on their citizenship from one of the countries NOT on the list,
will they be allowed entry?



Travelers are being processed and, when eligible, admitted according
to the travel document they present.



Can a dual national traveling with a passport from an unrestricted
country travel to the United States?



Dual nationals with a valid immigrant or nonimmigrant visa in a
passport issued by any country not restricted under the Executive
Order will be permitted to apply for admission to the United States.



Can a dual national who holds nationality with a restricted country
and is currently overseas, apply for an immigrant or nonimmigrant visa
to the United States?



Department of State’s Posts are allowed to process visa applications
and issue nonimmigrant and immigrant visas to otherwise eligible visa
applicants who apply with a passport from an unrestricted country,
even if they hold dual nationality from a restricted country. Please
contact the Department of State with any questions related to the
issuance of visas.








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  • This doesn’t address the question. The OP is not a dual national, only born in (what is now) a country affected by the ban.
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  • @chirlu: "The OP is not a dual national" The OP has not provided enough information to determine that they are not a dual national.
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    “Always been British” and “never had Yemeni citizenship” seems pretty clear to me. In any case, the point is that his place of birth will be named in his British passport, too.
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    @chirlu: Many people don't know they have a nationality.
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  • This doesn’t address the question. The OP is not a dual national, only born in (what is now) a country affected by the ban.
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  • @chirlu: "The OP is not a dual national" The OP has not provided enough information to determine that they are not a dual national.
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    “Always been British” and “never had Yemeni citizenship” seems pretty clear to me. In any case, the point is that his place of birth will be named in his British passport, too.
    – chirlu
    Feb 20 '17 at 18:23







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    @chirlu: Many people don't know they have a nationality.
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This doesn’t address the question. The OP is not a dual national, only born in (what is now) a country affected by the ban.
– chirlu
Feb 20 '17 at 18:02




This doesn’t address the question. The OP is not a dual national, only born in (what is now) a country affected by the ban.
– chirlu
Feb 20 '17 at 18:02












@chirlu: "The OP is not a dual national" The OP has not provided enough information to determine that they are not a dual national.
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@chirlu: "The OP is not a dual national" The OP has not provided enough information to determine that they are not a dual national.
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“Always been British” and “never had Yemeni citizenship” seems pretty clear to me. In any case, the point is that his place of birth will be named in his British passport, too.
– chirlu
Feb 20 '17 at 18:23





“Always been British” and “never had Yemeni citizenship” seems pretty clear to me. In any case, the point is that his place of birth will be named in his British passport, too.
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@chirlu: Many people don't know they have a nationality.
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@chirlu: Many people don't know they have a nationality.
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We've had a similar question recently about traveling to the US as a child of an Iranian citizen. It was a ban enacted by the Obama administration, but it is directly referenced by the Trump ban (that's where the list of 7 countries comes from), so I assume the interpretation should be the same. Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be an official guideline about people in your situation, but one data point mentions that:




I ended up going to the US without a visa and was allowed through with no problems. He didn't ask any questions about my nationality. An uncle I was traveling with, who is a British citizen but was born in Iran, got a visa and when he was going through customs and immigration was asked why he got a visa when he didn't need one! The officer said he would have been fine with just an approved ESTA...




So I assume you should be okay to enter, but it's also possible that the airline would err on the side of caution and deny you boarding. Overall I'd recommend waiting for a couple of months to see how things play out - at the very least there would be enough data points to answer your specific question.






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    If by "the interpretation should be the same" you mean that both rules apply to the same persons, you are almost certainly mistaken. At least I have this far not heard about anyone being banned for simply visiting Iran. Which gives you zero data points.
    – Some wandering yeti
    Jan 30 '17 at 13:28










  • @ptityeti people have been banned from using the VWP after visiting Iran - and there's a direct data point about that.
    – JonathanReez
    Jan 30 '17 at 13:33






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    I know. I am such a data point. This does not imply that I am banned from entry to the US, what the executive order is about. Only that I have to apply for a visa (which I did last week).
    – Some wandering yeti
    Jan 30 '17 at 13:38






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    No. The whole thing about the executive order is that people are denied entry with valid visas, with valid green cards. VWP is not even mentioned in the order (the VIWP is).
    – Some wandering yeti
    Jan 30 '17 at 13:45






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    (My last comment) To be clear: I also think that OP can enter and think he can under the VWP. But the argument that this order doesn't apply to him because another rule doesn't apply to him doesn't fly if both don't apply to the same population. Especially because knowing whom the order applies to is very unclear with completely contradicting interpretations from all kinds of officials. And I'm way past looking for logic in the decision.
    – Some wandering yeti
    Jan 30 '17 at 14:03















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We've had a similar question recently about traveling to the US as a child of an Iranian citizen. It was a ban enacted by the Obama administration, but it is directly referenced by the Trump ban (that's where the list of 7 countries comes from), so I assume the interpretation should be the same. Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be an official guideline about people in your situation, but one data point mentions that:




I ended up going to the US without a visa and was allowed through with no problems. He didn't ask any questions about my nationality. An uncle I was traveling with, who is a British citizen but was born in Iran, got a visa and when he was going through customs and immigration was asked why he got a visa when he didn't need one! The officer said he would have been fine with just an approved ESTA...




So I assume you should be okay to enter, but it's also possible that the airline would err on the side of caution and deny you boarding. Overall I'd recommend waiting for a couple of months to see how things play out - at the very least there would be enough data points to answer your specific question.






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    If by "the interpretation should be the same" you mean that both rules apply to the same persons, you are almost certainly mistaken. At least I have this far not heard about anyone being banned for simply visiting Iran. Which gives you zero data points.
    – Some wandering yeti
    Jan 30 '17 at 13:28










  • @ptityeti people have been banned from using the VWP after visiting Iran - and there's a direct data point about that.
    – JonathanReez
    Jan 30 '17 at 13:33






  • 1




    I know. I am such a data point. This does not imply that I am banned from entry to the US, what the executive order is about. Only that I have to apply for a visa (which I did last week).
    – Some wandering yeti
    Jan 30 '17 at 13:38






  • 1




    No. The whole thing about the executive order is that people are denied entry with valid visas, with valid green cards. VWP is not even mentioned in the order (the VIWP is).
    – Some wandering yeti
    Jan 30 '17 at 13:45






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    (My last comment) To be clear: I also think that OP can enter and think he can under the VWP. But the argument that this order doesn't apply to him because another rule doesn't apply to him doesn't fly if both don't apply to the same population. Especially because knowing whom the order applies to is very unclear with completely contradicting interpretations from all kinds of officials. And I'm way past looking for logic in the decision.
    – Some wandering yeti
    Jan 30 '17 at 14:03













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We've had a similar question recently about traveling to the US as a child of an Iranian citizen. It was a ban enacted by the Obama administration, but it is directly referenced by the Trump ban (that's where the list of 7 countries comes from), so I assume the interpretation should be the same. Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be an official guideline about people in your situation, but one data point mentions that:




I ended up going to the US without a visa and was allowed through with no problems. He didn't ask any questions about my nationality. An uncle I was traveling with, who is a British citizen but was born in Iran, got a visa and when he was going through customs and immigration was asked why he got a visa when he didn't need one! The officer said he would have been fine with just an approved ESTA...




So I assume you should be okay to enter, but it's also possible that the airline would err on the side of caution and deny you boarding. Overall I'd recommend waiting for a couple of months to see how things play out - at the very least there would be enough data points to answer your specific question.






share|improve this answer














We've had a similar question recently about traveling to the US as a child of an Iranian citizen. It was a ban enacted by the Obama administration, but it is directly referenced by the Trump ban (that's where the list of 7 countries comes from), so I assume the interpretation should be the same. Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be an official guideline about people in your situation, but one data point mentions that:




I ended up going to the US without a visa and was allowed through with no problems. He didn't ask any questions about my nationality. An uncle I was traveling with, who is a British citizen but was born in Iran, got a visa and when he was going through customs and immigration was asked why he got a visa when he didn't need one! The officer said he would have been fine with just an approved ESTA...




So I assume you should be okay to enter, but it's also possible that the airline would err on the side of caution and deny you boarding. Overall I'd recommend waiting for a couple of months to see how things play out - at the very least there would be enough data points to answer your specific question.







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    If by "the interpretation should be the same" you mean that both rules apply to the same persons, you are almost certainly mistaken. At least I have this far not heard about anyone being banned for simply visiting Iran. Which gives you zero data points.
    – Some wandering yeti
    Jan 30 '17 at 13:28










  • @ptityeti people have been banned from using the VWP after visiting Iran - and there's a direct data point about that.
    – JonathanReez
    Jan 30 '17 at 13:33






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    I know. I am such a data point. This does not imply that I am banned from entry to the US, what the executive order is about. Only that I have to apply for a visa (which I did last week).
    – Some wandering yeti
    Jan 30 '17 at 13:38






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    No. The whole thing about the executive order is that people are denied entry with valid visas, with valid green cards. VWP is not even mentioned in the order (the VIWP is).
    – Some wandering yeti
    Jan 30 '17 at 13:45






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    (My last comment) To be clear: I also think that OP can enter and think he can under the VWP. But the argument that this order doesn't apply to him because another rule doesn't apply to him doesn't fly if both don't apply to the same population. Especially because knowing whom the order applies to is very unclear with completely contradicting interpretations from all kinds of officials. And I'm way past looking for logic in the decision.
    – Some wandering yeti
    Jan 30 '17 at 14:03












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    If by "the interpretation should be the same" you mean that both rules apply to the same persons, you are almost certainly mistaken. At least I have this far not heard about anyone being banned for simply visiting Iran. Which gives you zero data points.
    – Some wandering yeti
    Jan 30 '17 at 13:28










  • @ptityeti people have been banned from using the VWP after visiting Iran - and there's a direct data point about that.
    – JonathanReez
    Jan 30 '17 at 13:33






  • 1




    I know. I am such a data point. This does not imply that I am banned from entry to the US, what the executive order is about. Only that I have to apply for a visa (which I did last week).
    – Some wandering yeti
    Jan 30 '17 at 13:38






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    No. The whole thing about the executive order is that people are denied entry with valid visas, with valid green cards. VWP is not even mentioned in the order (the VIWP is).
    – Some wandering yeti
    Jan 30 '17 at 13:45






  • 1




    (My last comment) To be clear: I also think that OP can enter and think he can under the VWP. But the argument that this order doesn't apply to him because another rule doesn't apply to him doesn't fly if both don't apply to the same population. Especially because knowing whom the order applies to is very unclear with completely contradicting interpretations from all kinds of officials. And I'm way past looking for logic in the decision.
    – Some wandering yeti
    Jan 30 '17 at 14:03







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If by "the interpretation should be the same" you mean that both rules apply to the same persons, you are almost certainly mistaken. At least I have this far not heard about anyone being banned for simply visiting Iran. Which gives you zero data points.
– Some wandering yeti
Jan 30 '17 at 13:28




If by "the interpretation should be the same" you mean that both rules apply to the same persons, you are almost certainly mistaken. At least I have this far not heard about anyone being banned for simply visiting Iran. Which gives you zero data points.
– Some wandering yeti
Jan 30 '17 at 13:28












@ptityeti people have been banned from using the VWP after visiting Iran - and there's a direct data point about that.
– JonathanReez
Jan 30 '17 at 13:33




@ptityeti people have been banned from using the VWP after visiting Iran - and there's a direct data point about that.
– JonathanReez
Jan 30 '17 at 13:33




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I know. I am such a data point. This does not imply that I am banned from entry to the US, what the executive order is about. Only that I have to apply for a visa (which I did last week).
– Some wandering yeti
Jan 30 '17 at 13:38




I know. I am such a data point. This does not imply that I am banned from entry to the US, what the executive order is about. Only that I have to apply for a visa (which I did last week).
– Some wandering yeti
Jan 30 '17 at 13:38




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No. The whole thing about the executive order is that people are denied entry with valid visas, with valid green cards. VWP is not even mentioned in the order (the VIWP is).
– Some wandering yeti
Jan 30 '17 at 13:45




No. The whole thing about the executive order is that people are denied entry with valid visas, with valid green cards. VWP is not even mentioned in the order (the VIWP is).
– Some wandering yeti
Jan 30 '17 at 13:45




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(My last comment) To be clear: I also think that OP can enter and think he can under the VWP. But the argument that this order doesn't apply to him because another rule doesn't apply to him doesn't fly if both don't apply to the same population. Especially because knowing whom the order applies to is very unclear with completely contradicting interpretations from all kinds of officials. And I'm way past looking for logic in the decision.
– Some wandering yeti
Jan 30 '17 at 14:03




(My last comment) To be clear: I also think that OP can enter and think he can under the VWP. But the argument that this order doesn't apply to him because another rule doesn't apply to him doesn't fly if both don't apply to the same population. Especially because knowing whom the order applies to is very unclear with completely contradicting interpretations from all kinds of officials. And I'm way past looking for logic in the decision.
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According to a statement by the Foreign Office, only people travelling from those countries are targeted by the order. Even dual nationals will be allowed into the US. It appears safe to deduce from this, that a British national with a less strong link to Yemen will be allowed in the country:




The Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson has today held conversations with the US Government and as a result we can clarify that:



  • The Presidential executive order only applies to individuals
    travelling from one of the seven named countries.


  • If you are travelling to the US from anywhere other than one of those countries (for instance, the UK) the executive order does not apply to you and you will experience no extra checks regardless of
    your nationality or your place of birth.


  • If you are a UK national who happens to be travelling from one of those countries to the US, then the order does not apply to you –
    even if you were born in one of those countries.


  • If you are a dual citizen of one of those countries travelling to the US from OUTSIDE those countries then the order does not apply to
    you.


The only dual nationals who might have extra checks are those coming from one of the seven countries themselves – for example a UK-Libya dual national coming from Libya to the US.



The US has reaffirmed its strong commitment to the expeditious processing of all travellers from the United Kingdom.




(emphasis by me)



In how far this is known to border guards is another can of worms, to which I have no answer. At the moment I don't have an official US source stating the same information.



The US embassy in the UK, unfortunately, released a statement




Per U.S. Presidential Executive Order signed on January 27, 2017, visa issuance to aliens from the countries of Iraq, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen has been suspended effective immediately until further notification.



If you are a national, or dual national, of one of these countries, please do not schedule a visa appointment or pay any visa fees at this time.



If you already have an appointment scheduled, please DO NOT ATTEND your appointment as we will not be able to proceed with your visa interview. Please note that certain travel for official governmental purposes, related to official business at or on behalf of designated international organizations, on behalf of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, or by certain officials is not subject to this suspension.




They do not state that dual nationals are banned (only that you will not get a visa at this time), which makes me think they put the unclear cases on hold awaiting clarification at the moment. They also make no statement about people born in those countries, which is your case.






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    The Foreign Office's interpretation of the executive order does not agree at all with the US executive administration's interpretation, so I am sorry to say that their advice is fairly useless.
    – phoog
    Jan 29 '17 at 22:30






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    I am saying that people are being denied entry to the US because of their citizenship regardless of the place from which they began their journeys. I don't doubt that the administration told BoJo what he says they told him, so I don't think he's lying. The problem is that the administration has not articulated a consistent policy, and actual implementation of the order has been wildly inconsistent.
    – phoog
    Jan 29 '17 at 22:45






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    Mr. Johnson is wrong.
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    The situation is literally changing by the hour.
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According to a statement by the Foreign Office, only people travelling from those countries are targeted by the order. Even dual nationals will be allowed into the US. It appears safe to deduce from this, that a British national with a less strong link to Yemen will be allowed in the country:




The Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson has today held conversations with the US Government and as a result we can clarify that:



  • The Presidential executive order only applies to individuals
    travelling from one of the seven named countries.


  • If you are travelling to the US from anywhere other than one of those countries (for instance, the UK) the executive order does not apply to you and you will experience no extra checks regardless of
    your nationality or your place of birth.


  • If you are a UK national who happens to be travelling from one of those countries to the US, then the order does not apply to you –
    even if you were born in one of those countries.


  • If you are a dual citizen of one of those countries travelling to the US from OUTSIDE those countries then the order does not apply to
    you.


The only dual nationals who might have extra checks are those coming from one of the seven countries themselves – for example a UK-Libya dual national coming from Libya to the US.



The US has reaffirmed its strong commitment to the expeditious processing of all travellers from the United Kingdom.




(emphasis by me)



In how far this is known to border guards is another can of worms, to which I have no answer. At the moment I don't have an official US source stating the same information.



The US embassy in the UK, unfortunately, released a statement




Per U.S. Presidential Executive Order signed on January 27, 2017, visa issuance to aliens from the countries of Iraq, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen has been suspended effective immediately until further notification.



If you are a national, or dual national, of one of these countries, please do not schedule a visa appointment or pay any visa fees at this time.



If you already have an appointment scheduled, please DO NOT ATTEND your appointment as we will not be able to proceed with your visa interview. Please note that certain travel for official governmental purposes, related to official business at or on behalf of designated international organizations, on behalf of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, or by certain officials is not subject to this suspension.




They do not state that dual nationals are banned (only that you will not get a visa at this time), which makes me think they put the unclear cases on hold awaiting clarification at the moment. They also make no statement about people born in those countries, which is your case.






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    The Foreign Office's interpretation of the executive order does not agree at all with the US executive administration's interpretation, so I am sorry to say that their advice is fairly useless.
    – phoog
    Jan 29 '17 at 22:30






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    I am saying that people are being denied entry to the US because of their citizenship regardless of the place from which they began their journeys. I don't doubt that the administration told BoJo what he says they told him, so I don't think he's lying. The problem is that the administration has not articulated a consistent policy, and actual implementation of the order has been wildly inconsistent.
    – phoog
    Jan 29 '17 at 22:45






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    Mr. Johnson is wrong.
    – gerrit
    Jan 29 '17 at 23:59







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    The situation is literally changing by the hour.
    – DJClayworth
    Jan 30 '17 at 3:17













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According to a statement by the Foreign Office, only people travelling from those countries are targeted by the order. Even dual nationals will be allowed into the US. It appears safe to deduce from this, that a British national with a less strong link to Yemen will be allowed in the country:




The Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson has today held conversations with the US Government and as a result we can clarify that:



  • The Presidential executive order only applies to individuals
    travelling from one of the seven named countries.


  • If you are travelling to the US from anywhere other than one of those countries (for instance, the UK) the executive order does not apply to you and you will experience no extra checks regardless of
    your nationality or your place of birth.


  • If you are a UK national who happens to be travelling from one of those countries to the US, then the order does not apply to you –
    even if you were born in one of those countries.


  • If you are a dual citizen of one of those countries travelling to the US from OUTSIDE those countries then the order does not apply to
    you.


The only dual nationals who might have extra checks are those coming from one of the seven countries themselves – for example a UK-Libya dual national coming from Libya to the US.



The US has reaffirmed its strong commitment to the expeditious processing of all travellers from the United Kingdom.




(emphasis by me)



In how far this is known to border guards is another can of worms, to which I have no answer. At the moment I don't have an official US source stating the same information.



The US embassy in the UK, unfortunately, released a statement




Per U.S. Presidential Executive Order signed on January 27, 2017, visa issuance to aliens from the countries of Iraq, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen has been suspended effective immediately until further notification.



If you are a national, or dual national, of one of these countries, please do not schedule a visa appointment or pay any visa fees at this time.



If you already have an appointment scheduled, please DO NOT ATTEND your appointment as we will not be able to proceed with your visa interview. Please note that certain travel for official governmental purposes, related to official business at or on behalf of designated international organizations, on behalf of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, or by certain officials is not subject to this suspension.




They do not state that dual nationals are banned (only that you will not get a visa at this time), which makes me think they put the unclear cases on hold awaiting clarification at the moment. They also make no statement about people born in those countries, which is your case.






share|improve this answer














According to a statement by the Foreign Office, only people travelling from those countries are targeted by the order. Even dual nationals will be allowed into the US. It appears safe to deduce from this, that a British national with a less strong link to Yemen will be allowed in the country:




The Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson has today held conversations with the US Government and as a result we can clarify that:



  • The Presidential executive order only applies to individuals
    travelling from one of the seven named countries.


  • If you are travelling to the US from anywhere other than one of those countries (for instance, the UK) the executive order does not apply to you and you will experience no extra checks regardless of
    your nationality or your place of birth.


  • If you are a UK national who happens to be travelling from one of those countries to the US, then the order does not apply to you –
    even if you were born in one of those countries.


  • If you are a dual citizen of one of those countries travelling to the US from OUTSIDE those countries then the order does not apply to
    you.


The only dual nationals who might have extra checks are those coming from one of the seven countries themselves – for example a UK-Libya dual national coming from Libya to the US.



The US has reaffirmed its strong commitment to the expeditious processing of all travellers from the United Kingdom.




(emphasis by me)



In how far this is known to border guards is another can of worms, to which I have no answer. At the moment I don't have an official US source stating the same information.



The US embassy in the UK, unfortunately, released a statement




Per U.S. Presidential Executive Order signed on January 27, 2017, visa issuance to aliens from the countries of Iraq, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen has been suspended effective immediately until further notification.



If you are a national, or dual national, of one of these countries, please do not schedule a visa appointment or pay any visa fees at this time.



If you already have an appointment scheduled, please DO NOT ATTEND your appointment as we will not be able to proceed with your visa interview. Please note that certain travel for official governmental purposes, related to official business at or on behalf of designated international organizations, on behalf of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, or by certain officials is not subject to this suspension.




They do not state that dual nationals are banned (only that you will not get a visa at this time), which makes me think they put the unclear cases on hold awaiting clarification at the moment. They also make no statement about people born in those countries, which is your case.







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    The Foreign Office's interpretation of the executive order does not agree at all with the US executive administration's interpretation, so I am sorry to say that their advice is fairly useless.
    – phoog
    Jan 29 '17 at 22:30






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    I am saying that people are being denied entry to the US because of their citizenship regardless of the place from which they began their journeys. I don't doubt that the administration told BoJo what he says they told him, so I don't think he's lying. The problem is that the administration has not articulated a consistent policy, and actual implementation of the order has been wildly inconsistent.
    – phoog
    Jan 29 '17 at 22:45






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    Mr. Johnson is wrong.
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    The situation is literally changing by the hour.
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    The Foreign Office's interpretation of the executive order does not agree at all with the US executive administration's interpretation, so I am sorry to say that their advice is fairly useless.
    – phoog
    Jan 29 '17 at 22:30






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    I am saying that people are being denied entry to the US because of their citizenship regardless of the place from which they began their journeys. I don't doubt that the administration told BoJo what he says they told him, so I don't think he's lying. The problem is that the administration has not articulated a consistent policy, and actual implementation of the order has been wildly inconsistent.
    – phoog
    Jan 29 '17 at 22:45






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    Mr. Johnson is wrong.
    – gerrit
    Jan 29 '17 at 23:59







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    The situation is literally changing by the hour.
    – DJClayworth
    Jan 30 '17 at 3:17







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The Foreign Office's interpretation of the executive order does not agree at all with the US executive administration's interpretation, so I am sorry to say that their advice is fairly useless.
– phoog
Jan 29 '17 at 22:30




The Foreign Office's interpretation of the executive order does not agree at all with the US executive administration's interpretation, so I am sorry to say that their advice is fairly useless.
– phoog
Jan 29 '17 at 22:30




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I am saying that people are being denied entry to the US because of their citizenship regardless of the place from which they began their journeys. I don't doubt that the administration told BoJo what he says they told him, so I don't think he's lying. The problem is that the administration has not articulated a consistent policy, and actual implementation of the order has been wildly inconsistent.
– phoog
Jan 29 '17 at 22:45




I am saying that people are being denied entry to the US because of their citizenship regardless of the place from which they began their journeys. I don't doubt that the administration told BoJo what he says they told him, so I don't think he's lying. The problem is that the administration has not articulated a consistent policy, and actual implementation of the order has been wildly inconsistent.
– phoog
Jan 29 '17 at 22:45




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Mr. Johnson is wrong.
– gerrit
Jan 29 '17 at 23:59





Mr. Johnson is wrong.
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Jan 29 '17 at 23:59





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The situation is literally changing by the hour.
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The situation is literally changing by the hour.
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The recent executive order temporarily suspends issuing visas to anyone who either is a national of the banned countries or originated (was born) in the country. If you were born in Yemen, then under the order the Department of State would be prevented from processing your visa, assuming that it obeys the order. Note that you could attempt to prove to the Department of State that you are not a national of Yemen, but that will require a visa review which will take time (months). So, you can probably get a visa, but it will not happen automatically and instantly.



If you already in the country, then the situation may be different because there are various legal challenges to parts of the order that may apply to people already in the United States, but if you are out of the United States right now, it may be difficult to get a visa to enter.



The US State Department said that Britons with dual nationality with
Syria, Iraq, Iran, Sudan, Libya, Somalia and Yemen will be stopped at
the US border for the next 90 days.



A US immigration officer, like those of most countries, has wide latitude to deny entry to any foreign national for any reason. You cannot sue the United States to allow you entry. This is called consular non-reviewability in US legal practice. Basically what it means is that you can be refused entry for ANY reason and they don't have to even give you a reason. Even US citizens can be denied entry. For example, Vin Diesel, a famous American actor was recently refused entry into the United States, even though he is a US citizen. He is just one of thousands of American citizens who get arbitrarily denied entry to the United States. The Supreme Court has repeated ruled that the State Department can deny entry to anyone (including US citizens) for any reason "at will". See United States v. Flores-Montano, 541 U.S. 149. US citizens get denied at the Mexican border routinely just for being drunk, or for any number of reasons. If a border agent doesn't like your body odor he can refuse you entry.






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    "Issuing visas" isn't really germane here since normally UK citizens can travel under the Visa Waiver Program and do not need to apply for a visa. It would help if you can explain how this affects matters. Also, since there is a lot of confusion about what the order actually does and says, could you add references for your assertions? It would help to include dates since, due to ongoing legal action, there is reason to believe the situation may change quickly.
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    In particular, I am not sure where you are getting the applicability to people who "originated" in a country. The text of the executive order, in section 3 (c), simply refers to aliens "from" those countries. It is not clear to me what that means; are you aware of official clarification on the matter, and can you point us to it?
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    Jan 29 '17 at 19:25







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    Vin Diesel was not refused entry into the US. He is a US citizen, obtained Filipino dual citizenship, and (inexplicably) applied for a US visa on that passport, which was (predictably) refused. Or, I should say, he was reported to have done so, by only one source I could find, which doesn't appear very reliable due to the obvious factual mistakes in the reporting.
    – Michael Hampton
    Jan 29 '17 at 20:39







  • 5




    Like I said, I have never been Yemeni! Never been dual national with any other country. Just British since birth to British parents. And have travelled to the USA before on the VWP. Also I have no intention of suing anyone and don't really care for Vin Diesel.
    – Colin Young
    Jan 29 '17 at 20:54







  • 5




    U.S. citizenship is not ended by acquiring of other citizenship.
    – WGroleau
    Jan 29 '17 at 20:55















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The recent executive order temporarily suspends issuing visas to anyone who either is a national of the banned countries or originated (was born) in the country. If you were born in Yemen, then under the order the Department of State would be prevented from processing your visa, assuming that it obeys the order. Note that you could attempt to prove to the Department of State that you are not a national of Yemen, but that will require a visa review which will take time (months). So, you can probably get a visa, but it will not happen automatically and instantly.



If you already in the country, then the situation may be different because there are various legal challenges to parts of the order that may apply to people already in the United States, but if you are out of the United States right now, it may be difficult to get a visa to enter.



The US State Department said that Britons with dual nationality with
Syria, Iraq, Iran, Sudan, Libya, Somalia and Yemen will be stopped at
the US border for the next 90 days.



A US immigration officer, like those of most countries, has wide latitude to deny entry to any foreign national for any reason. You cannot sue the United States to allow you entry. This is called consular non-reviewability in US legal practice. Basically what it means is that you can be refused entry for ANY reason and they don't have to even give you a reason. Even US citizens can be denied entry. For example, Vin Diesel, a famous American actor was recently refused entry into the United States, even though he is a US citizen. He is just one of thousands of American citizens who get arbitrarily denied entry to the United States. The Supreme Court has repeated ruled that the State Department can deny entry to anyone (including US citizens) for any reason "at will". See United States v. Flores-Montano, 541 U.S. 149. US citizens get denied at the Mexican border routinely just for being drunk, or for any number of reasons. If a border agent doesn't like your body odor he can refuse you entry.






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  • 3




    "Issuing visas" isn't really germane here since normally UK citizens can travel under the Visa Waiver Program and do not need to apply for a visa. It would help if you can explain how this affects matters. Also, since there is a lot of confusion about what the order actually does and says, could you add references for your assertions? It would help to include dates since, due to ongoing legal action, there is reason to believe the situation may change quickly.
    – Nate Eldredge
    Jan 29 '17 at 19:20







  • 7




    In particular, I am not sure where you are getting the applicability to people who "originated" in a country. The text of the executive order, in section 3 (c), simply refers to aliens "from" those countries. It is not clear to me what that means; are you aware of official clarification on the matter, and can you point us to it?
    – Nate Eldredge
    Jan 29 '17 at 19:25







  • 5




    Vin Diesel was not refused entry into the US. He is a US citizen, obtained Filipino dual citizenship, and (inexplicably) applied for a US visa on that passport, which was (predictably) refused. Or, I should say, he was reported to have done so, by only one source I could find, which doesn't appear very reliable due to the obvious factual mistakes in the reporting.
    – Michael Hampton
    Jan 29 '17 at 20:39







  • 5




    Like I said, I have never been Yemeni! Never been dual national with any other country. Just British since birth to British parents. And have travelled to the USA before on the VWP. Also I have no intention of suing anyone and don't really care for Vin Diesel.
    – Colin Young
    Jan 29 '17 at 20:54







  • 5




    U.S. citizenship is not ended by acquiring of other citizenship.
    – WGroleau
    Jan 29 '17 at 20:55













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The recent executive order temporarily suspends issuing visas to anyone who either is a national of the banned countries or originated (was born) in the country. If you were born in Yemen, then under the order the Department of State would be prevented from processing your visa, assuming that it obeys the order. Note that you could attempt to prove to the Department of State that you are not a national of Yemen, but that will require a visa review which will take time (months). So, you can probably get a visa, but it will not happen automatically and instantly.



If you already in the country, then the situation may be different because there are various legal challenges to parts of the order that may apply to people already in the United States, but if you are out of the United States right now, it may be difficult to get a visa to enter.



The US State Department said that Britons with dual nationality with
Syria, Iraq, Iran, Sudan, Libya, Somalia and Yemen will be stopped at
the US border for the next 90 days.



A US immigration officer, like those of most countries, has wide latitude to deny entry to any foreign national for any reason. You cannot sue the United States to allow you entry. This is called consular non-reviewability in US legal practice. Basically what it means is that you can be refused entry for ANY reason and they don't have to even give you a reason. Even US citizens can be denied entry. For example, Vin Diesel, a famous American actor was recently refused entry into the United States, even though he is a US citizen. He is just one of thousands of American citizens who get arbitrarily denied entry to the United States. The Supreme Court has repeated ruled that the State Department can deny entry to anyone (including US citizens) for any reason "at will". See United States v. Flores-Montano, 541 U.S. 149. US citizens get denied at the Mexican border routinely just for being drunk, or for any number of reasons. If a border agent doesn't like your body odor he can refuse you entry.






share|improve this answer














The recent executive order temporarily suspends issuing visas to anyone who either is a national of the banned countries or originated (was born) in the country. If you were born in Yemen, then under the order the Department of State would be prevented from processing your visa, assuming that it obeys the order. Note that you could attempt to prove to the Department of State that you are not a national of Yemen, but that will require a visa review which will take time (months). So, you can probably get a visa, but it will not happen automatically and instantly.



If you already in the country, then the situation may be different because there are various legal challenges to parts of the order that may apply to people already in the United States, but if you are out of the United States right now, it may be difficult to get a visa to enter.



The US State Department said that Britons with dual nationality with
Syria, Iraq, Iran, Sudan, Libya, Somalia and Yemen will be stopped at
the US border for the next 90 days.



A US immigration officer, like those of most countries, has wide latitude to deny entry to any foreign national for any reason. You cannot sue the United States to allow you entry. This is called consular non-reviewability in US legal practice. Basically what it means is that you can be refused entry for ANY reason and they don't have to even give you a reason. Even US citizens can be denied entry. For example, Vin Diesel, a famous American actor was recently refused entry into the United States, even though he is a US citizen. He is just one of thousands of American citizens who get arbitrarily denied entry to the United States. The Supreme Court has repeated ruled that the State Department can deny entry to anyone (including US citizens) for any reason "at will". See United States v. Flores-Montano, 541 U.S. 149. US citizens get denied at the Mexican border routinely just for being drunk, or for any number of reasons. If a border agent doesn't like your body odor he can refuse you entry.







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  • 3




    "Issuing visas" isn't really germane here since normally UK citizens can travel under the Visa Waiver Program and do not need to apply for a visa. It would help if you can explain how this affects matters. Also, since there is a lot of confusion about what the order actually does and says, could you add references for your assertions? It would help to include dates since, due to ongoing legal action, there is reason to believe the situation may change quickly.
    – Nate Eldredge
    Jan 29 '17 at 19:20







  • 7




    In particular, I am not sure where you are getting the applicability to people who "originated" in a country. The text of the executive order, in section 3 (c), simply refers to aliens "from" those countries. It is not clear to me what that means; are you aware of official clarification on the matter, and can you point us to it?
    – Nate Eldredge
    Jan 29 '17 at 19:25







  • 5




    Vin Diesel was not refused entry into the US. He is a US citizen, obtained Filipino dual citizenship, and (inexplicably) applied for a US visa on that passport, which was (predictably) refused. Or, I should say, he was reported to have done so, by only one source I could find, which doesn't appear very reliable due to the obvious factual mistakes in the reporting.
    – Michael Hampton
    Jan 29 '17 at 20:39







  • 5




    Like I said, I have never been Yemeni! Never been dual national with any other country. Just British since birth to British parents. And have travelled to the USA before on the VWP. Also I have no intention of suing anyone and don't really care for Vin Diesel.
    – Colin Young
    Jan 29 '17 at 20:54







  • 5




    U.S. citizenship is not ended by acquiring of other citizenship.
    – WGroleau
    Jan 29 '17 at 20:55












  • 3




    "Issuing visas" isn't really germane here since normally UK citizens can travel under the Visa Waiver Program and do not need to apply for a visa. It would help if you can explain how this affects matters. Also, since there is a lot of confusion about what the order actually does and says, could you add references for your assertions? It would help to include dates since, due to ongoing legal action, there is reason to believe the situation may change quickly.
    – Nate Eldredge
    Jan 29 '17 at 19:20







  • 7




    In particular, I am not sure where you are getting the applicability to people who "originated" in a country. The text of the executive order, in section 3 (c), simply refers to aliens "from" those countries. It is not clear to me what that means; are you aware of official clarification on the matter, and can you point us to it?
    – Nate Eldredge
    Jan 29 '17 at 19:25







  • 5




    Vin Diesel was not refused entry into the US. He is a US citizen, obtained Filipino dual citizenship, and (inexplicably) applied for a US visa on that passport, which was (predictably) refused. Or, I should say, he was reported to have done so, by only one source I could find, which doesn't appear very reliable due to the obvious factual mistakes in the reporting.
    – Michael Hampton
    Jan 29 '17 at 20:39







  • 5




    Like I said, I have never been Yemeni! Never been dual national with any other country. Just British since birth to British parents. And have travelled to the USA before on the VWP. Also I have no intention of suing anyone and don't really care for Vin Diesel.
    – Colin Young
    Jan 29 '17 at 20:54







  • 5




    U.S. citizenship is not ended by acquiring of other citizenship.
    – WGroleau
    Jan 29 '17 at 20:55







3




3




"Issuing visas" isn't really germane here since normally UK citizens can travel under the Visa Waiver Program and do not need to apply for a visa. It would help if you can explain how this affects matters. Also, since there is a lot of confusion about what the order actually does and says, could you add references for your assertions? It would help to include dates since, due to ongoing legal action, there is reason to believe the situation may change quickly.
– Nate Eldredge
Jan 29 '17 at 19:20





"Issuing visas" isn't really germane here since normally UK citizens can travel under the Visa Waiver Program and do not need to apply for a visa. It would help if you can explain how this affects matters. Also, since there is a lot of confusion about what the order actually does and says, could you add references for your assertions? It would help to include dates since, due to ongoing legal action, there is reason to believe the situation may change quickly.
– Nate Eldredge
Jan 29 '17 at 19:20





7




7




In particular, I am not sure where you are getting the applicability to people who "originated" in a country. The text of the executive order, in section 3 (c), simply refers to aliens "from" those countries. It is not clear to me what that means; are you aware of official clarification on the matter, and can you point us to it?
– Nate Eldredge
Jan 29 '17 at 19:25





In particular, I am not sure where you are getting the applicability to people who "originated" in a country. The text of the executive order, in section 3 (c), simply refers to aliens "from" those countries. It is not clear to me what that means; are you aware of official clarification on the matter, and can you point us to it?
– Nate Eldredge
Jan 29 '17 at 19:25





5




5




Vin Diesel was not refused entry into the US. He is a US citizen, obtained Filipino dual citizenship, and (inexplicably) applied for a US visa on that passport, which was (predictably) refused. Or, I should say, he was reported to have done so, by only one source I could find, which doesn't appear very reliable due to the obvious factual mistakes in the reporting.
– Michael Hampton
Jan 29 '17 at 20:39





Vin Diesel was not refused entry into the US. He is a US citizen, obtained Filipino dual citizenship, and (inexplicably) applied for a US visa on that passport, which was (predictably) refused. Or, I should say, he was reported to have done so, by only one source I could find, which doesn't appear very reliable due to the obvious factual mistakes in the reporting.
– Michael Hampton
Jan 29 '17 at 20:39





5




5




Like I said, I have never been Yemeni! Never been dual national with any other country. Just British since birth to British parents. And have travelled to the USA before on the VWP. Also I have no intention of suing anyone and don't really care for Vin Diesel.
– Colin Young
Jan 29 '17 at 20:54





Like I said, I have never been Yemeni! Never been dual national with any other country. Just British since birth to British parents. And have travelled to the USA before on the VWP. Also I have no intention of suing anyone and don't really care for Vin Diesel.
– Colin Young
Jan 29 '17 at 20:54





5




5




U.S. citizenship is not ended by acquiring of other citizenship.
– WGroleau
Jan 29 '17 at 20:55




U.S. citizenship is not ended by acquiring of other citizenship.
– WGroleau
Jan 29 '17 at 20:55

















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