Do visits to Cyprus, Croatia, Bulgaria and Romania count towards Schengen limitations?
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If I am entering any of the countries mentioned above with a Schengen visa - does the time spent there count towards the overall restriction of 90 days within 180 days? Does the time spent within the Schengen area reduce the time I would be allowed to stay in these countries?
Is it possible to stay in Europe for an entire year by combining stays in these countries and the Schengen area under a single Schengen multivisa?
Additionally, does the same apply to these countires recognizing each others visas? Would the time spent in Croatia on a Cyprus visa count towards the restrictions of said Cyprus visa? If so, will it not count if I get separate visas for Cyprus and Croatia?
A bit of background here. I thought that all the limitations do count unless you get separate visas, but a friend of mine argues that these countries count stays entirely separately from each other and thus it would be possible to stay in Europe for an entire year on just a Schengen multivisa by cycling through these countries. I do want to know whetever this is the case. The reason I think all the limitations apply is because all of these countires are part of the EU and should comply with the same Schengen acquis
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If I am entering any of the countries mentioned above with a Schengen visa - does the time spent there count towards the overall restriction of 90 days within 180 days? Does the time spent within the Schengen area reduce the time I would be allowed to stay in these countries?
Is it possible to stay in Europe for an entire year by combining stays in these countries and the Schengen area under a single Schengen multivisa?
Additionally, does the same apply to these countires recognizing each others visas? Would the time spent in Croatia on a Cyprus visa count towards the restrictions of said Cyprus visa? If so, will it not count if I get separate visas for Cyprus and Croatia?
A bit of background here. I thought that all the limitations do count unless you get separate visas, but a friend of mine argues that these countries count stays entirely separately from each other and thus it would be possible to stay in Europe for an entire year on just a Schengen multivisa by cycling through these countries. I do want to know whetever this is the case. The reason I think all the limitations apply is because all of these countires are part of the EU and should comply with the same Schengen acquis
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Time spent in the other countries does not count, but I don't have a reference at the moment. If I find one later, I'll post a proper answer.
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If I am entering any of the countries mentioned above with a Schengen visa - does the time spent there count towards the overall restriction of 90 days within 180 days? Does the time spent within the Schengen area reduce the time I would be allowed to stay in these countries?
Is it possible to stay in Europe for an entire year by combining stays in these countries and the Schengen area under a single Schengen multivisa?
Additionally, does the same apply to these countires recognizing each others visas? Would the time spent in Croatia on a Cyprus visa count towards the restrictions of said Cyprus visa? If so, will it not count if I get separate visas for Cyprus and Croatia?
A bit of background here. I thought that all the limitations do count unless you get separate visas, but a friend of mine argues that these countries count stays entirely separately from each other and thus it would be possible to stay in Europe for an entire year on just a Schengen multivisa by cycling through these countries. I do want to know whetever this is the case. The reason I think all the limitations apply is because all of these countires are part of the EU and should comply with the same Schengen acquis
schengen romania croatia bulgaria cyprus
edited Mar 26 at 12:39
Neusser
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asked Mar 26 at 12:23
user4551
33716
If I am entering any of the countries mentioned above with a Schengen visa - does the time spent there count towards the overall restriction of 90 days within 180 days? Does the time spent within the Schengen area reduce the time I would be allowed to stay in these countries?
Is it possible to stay in Europe for an entire year by combining stays in these countries and the Schengen area under a single Schengen multivisa?
Additionally, does the same apply to these countires recognizing each others visas? Would the time spent in Croatia on a Cyprus visa count towards the restrictions of said Cyprus visa? If so, will it not count if I get separate visas for Cyprus and Croatia?
A bit of background here. I thought that all the limitations do count unless you get separate visas, but a friend of mine argues that these countries count stays entirely separately from each other and thus it would be possible to stay in Europe for an entire year on just a Schengen multivisa by cycling through these countries. I do want to know whetever this is the case. The reason I think all the limitations apply is because all of these countires are part of the EU and should comply with the same Schengen acquis
schengen romania croatia bulgaria cyprus
edited Mar 26 at 12:39
Neusser
4,46922137
asked Mar 26 at 12:23
user4551
33716
edited Mar 26 at 12:39
Neusser
4,46922137
edited Mar 26 at 12:39
Neusser
4,46922137
edited Mar 26 at 12:39
Neusser
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4,46922137
asked Mar 26 at 12:23
user4551
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asked Mar 26 at 12:23
user4551
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asked Mar 26 at 12:23
user4551
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33716
Time spent in the other countries does not count, but I don't have a reference at the moment. If I find one later, I'll post a proper answer.
– phoog
Mar 26 at 14:25
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Time spent in the other countries does not count, but I don't have a reference at the moment. If I find one later, I'll post a proper answer.
– phoog
Mar 26 at 14:25
Time spent in the other countries does not count, but I don't have a reference at the moment. If I find one later, I'll post a proper answer.
– phoog
Mar 26 at 14:25
Time spent in the other countries does not count, but I don't have a reference at the moment. If I find one later, I'll post a proper answer.
– phoog
Mar 26 at 14:25
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@phoog is correct. This is explained in Schengen Borders Code (amended) in article 6:
- For intended stays on the territory of the Member States of a duration of no more than 90 days in any 180-day period, which entails
considering the 180-day period preceding each day of stay, the entry
conditions for third-country nationals shall be the following...
"Member States" here means those who signed the Schengen agreement.
Decision No 565/2014/EU asks (Article 5) RO/BG/CR to accept Schengen visas (and residency permits) in lieu of national visas for entry into RO/BG/CR. If they are accepted, they must be accepted under standard 90/180 rule (article 2). It does not make Romania the "Member state", and 90/180 rule would in this case apply independently.
Looking at this particular text:
The entry conditions for third-country nationals whose intended stays
on the territory of the Member States have a duration of no more than
90 days in any 180-day period ... in so far as this Decision sets up a
regime of unilateral recognition by Bulgaria, Croatia, Cyprus and
Romania of certain documents issued by Member States fully
implementing the Schengen acquis ... for transit through or intended
stays on their territories not exceeding 90 days in any 180-day
period.
it seems pretty clear that it makes difference between 90/180 days on the territory "of Member States", and "on their territories"
PS. The above is of course non-legal opinion - if you need an official legal opinion, you should consult a lawyer.
answered Mar 27 at 2:26
George Y.
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Here's an EU decision concerning the countries I mentioned: eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/ALL/?uri=celex:32014D0565 It mentions "Schengen acquis" extensively, but I can't find any clear language explaining this particular detail. Could you base your answer on this particular EU decision, breaking down what it says for those who are not good with legalese?
– user4551
Mar 27 at 13:04
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@user4551 the decision you link to has nothing to say about its impact (or lack of impact) on the accounting of presence in the "territory of the member states" for the Schengen Borders code.
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Mar 27 at 17:56
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@phoog is correct. This is explained in Schengen Borders Code (amended) in article 6:
- For intended stays on the territory of the Member States of a duration of no more than 90 days in any 180-day period, which entails
considering the 180-day period preceding each day of stay, the entry
conditions for third-country nationals shall be the following...
"Member States" here means those who signed the Schengen agreement.
Decision No 565/2014/EU asks (Article 5) RO/BG/CR to accept Schengen visas (and residency permits) in lieu of national visas for entry into RO/BG/CR. If they are accepted, they must be accepted under standard 90/180 rule (article 2). It does not make Romania the "Member state", and 90/180 rule would in this case apply independently.
Looking at this particular text:
The entry conditions for third-country nationals whose intended stays
on the territory of the Member States have a duration of no more than
90 days in any 180-day period ... in so far as this Decision sets up a
regime of unilateral recognition by Bulgaria, Croatia, Cyprus and
Romania of certain documents issued by Member States fully
implementing the Schengen acquis ... for transit through or intended
stays on their territories not exceeding 90 days in any 180-day
period.
it seems pretty clear that it makes difference between 90/180 days on the territory "of Member States", and "on their territories"
PS. The above is of course non-legal opinion - if you need an official legal opinion, you should consult a lawyer.
answered Mar 27 at 2:26
George Y.
17.9k12673
1
Here's an EU decision concerning the countries I mentioned: eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/ALL/?uri=celex:32014D0565 It mentions "Schengen acquis" extensively, but I can't find any clear language explaining this particular detail. Could you base your answer on this particular EU decision, breaking down what it says for those who are not good with legalese?
– user4551
Mar 27 at 13:04
1
@user4551 the decision you link to has nothing to say about its impact (or lack of impact) on the accounting of presence in the "territory of the member states" for the Schengen Borders code.
– phoog
Mar 27 at 17:56
add a comment |Â
up vote
2
down vote
@phoog is correct. This is explained in Schengen Borders Code (amended) in article 6:
- For intended stays on the territory of the Member States of a duration of no more than 90 days in any 180-day period, which entails
considering the 180-day period preceding each day of stay, the entry
conditions for third-country nationals shall be the following...
"Member States" here means those who signed the Schengen agreement.
Decision No 565/2014/EU asks (Article 5) RO/BG/CR to accept Schengen visas (and residency permits) in lieu of national visas for entry into RO/BG/CR. If they are accepted, they must be accepted under standard 90/180 rule (article 2). It does not make Romania the "Member state", and 90/180 rule would in this case apply independently.
Looking at this particular text:
The entry conditions for third-country nationals whose intended stays
on the territory of the Member States have a duration of no more than
90 days in any 180-day period ... in so far as this Decision sets up a
regime of unilateral recognition by Bulgaria, Croatia, Cyprus and
Romania of certain documents issued by Member States fully
implementing the Schengen acquis ... for transit through or intended
stays on their territories not exceeding 90 days in any 180-day
period.
it seems pretty clear that it makes difference between 90/180 days on the territory "of Member States", and "on their territories"
PS. The above is of course non-legal opinion - if you need an official legal opinion, you should consult a lawyer.
answered Mar 27 at 2:26
George Y.
17.9k12673
1
Here's an EU decision concerning the countries I mentioned: eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/ALL/?uri=celex:32014D0565 It mentions "Schengen acquis" extensively, but I can't find any clear language explaining this particular detail. Could you base your answer on this particular EU decision, breaking down what it says for those who are not good with legalese?
– user4551
Mar 27 at 13:04
1
@user4551 the decision you link to has nothing to say about its impact (or lack of impact) on the accounting of presence in the "territory of the member states" for the Schengen Borders code.
– phoog
Mar 27 at 17:56
add a comment |Â
up vote
2
down vote
up vote
2
down vote
@phoog is correct. This is explained in Schengen Borders Code (amended) in article 6:
- For intended stays on the territory of the Member States of a duration of no more than 90 days in any 180-day period, which entails
considering the 180-day period preceding each day of stay, the entry
conditions for third-country nationals shall be the following...
"Member States" here means those who signed the Schengen agreement.
Decision No 565/2014/EU asks (Article 5) RO/BG/CR to accept Schengen visas (and residency permits) in lieu of national visas for entry into RO/BG/CR. If they are accepted, they must be accepted under standard 90/180 rule (article 2). It does not make Romania the "Member state", and 90/180 rule would in this case apply independently.
Looking at this particular text:
The entry conditions for third-country nationals whose intended stays
on the territory of the Member States have a duration of no more than
90 days in any 180-day period ... in so far as this Decision sets up a
regime of unilateral recognition by Bulgaria, Croatia, Cyprus and
Romania of certain documents issued by Member States fully
implementing the Schengen acquis ... for transit through or intended
stays on their territories not exceeding 90 days in any 180-day
period.
it seems pretty clear that it makes difference between 90/180 days on the territory "of Member States", and "on their territories"
PS. The above is of course non-legal opinion - if you need an official legal opinion, you should consult a lawyer.
answered Mar 27 at 2:26
George Y.
17.9k12673
@phoog is correct. This is explained in Schengen Borders Code (amended) in article 6:
- For intended stays on the territory of the Member States of a duration of no more than 90 days in any 180-day period, which entails
considering the 180-day period preceding each day of stay, the entry
conditions for third-country nationals shall be the following...
"Member States" here means those who signed the Schengen agreement.
Decision No 565/2014/EU asks (Article 5) RO/BG/CR to accept Schengen visas (and residency permits) in lieu of national visas for entry into RO/BG/CR. If they are accepted, they must be accepted under standard 90/180 rule (article 2). It does not make Romania the "Member state", and 90/180 rule would in this case apply independently.
Looking at this particular text:
The entry conditions for third-country nationals whose intended stays
on the territory of the Member States have a duration of no more than
90 days in any 180-day period ... in so far as this Decision sets up a
regime of unilateral recognition by Bulgaria, Croatia, Cyprus and
Romania of certain documents issued by Member States fully
implementing the Schengen acquis ... for transit through or intended
stays on their territories not exceeding 90 days in any 180-day
period.
it seems pretty clear that it makes difference between 90/180 days on the territory "of Member States", and "on their territories"
PS. The above is of course non-legal opinion - if you need an official legal opinion, you should consult a lawyer.
answered Mar 27 at 2:26
George Y.
17.9k12673
edited Mar 27 at 22:58
answered Mar 27 at 2:26
George Y.
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answered Mar 27 at 2:26
George Y.
17.9k12673
answered Mar 27 at 2:26
George Y.
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Here's an EU decision concerning the countries I mentioned: eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/ALL/?uri=celex:32014D0565 It mentions "Schengen acquis" extensively, but I can't find any clear language explaining this particular detail. Could you base your answer on this particular EU decision, breaking down what it says for those who are not good with legalese?
– user4551
Mar 27 at 13:04
1
@user4551 the decision you link to has nothing to say about its impact (or lack of impact) on the accounting of presence in the "territory of the member states" for the Schengen Borders code.
– phoog
Mar 27 at 17:56
add a comment |Â
1
Here's an EU decision concerning the countries I mentioned: eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/ALL/?uri=celex:32014D0565 It mentions "Schengen acquis" extensively, but I can't find any clear language explaining this particular detail. Could you base your answer on this particular EU decision, breaking down what it says for those who are not good with legalese?
– user4551
Mar 27 at 13:04
1
@user4551 the decision you link to has nothing to say about its impact (or lack of impact) on the accounting of presence in the "territory of the member states" for the Schengen Borders code.
– phoog
Mar 27 at 17:56
1
1
Here's an EU decision concerning the countries I mentioned: eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/ALL/?uri=celex:32014D0565 It mentions "Schengen acquis" extensively, but I can't find any clear language explaining this particular detail. Could you base your answer on this particular EU decision, breaking down what it says for those who are not good with legalese?
– user4551
Mar 27 at 13:04
Here's an EU decision concerning the countries I mentioned: eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/ALL/?uri=celex:32014D0565 It mentions "Schengen acquis" extensively, but I can't find any clear language explaining this particular detail. Could you base your answer on this particular EU decision, breaking down what it says for those who are not good with legalese?
– user4551
Mar 27 at 13:04
1
1
@user4551 the decision you link to has nothing to say about its impact (or lack of impact) on the accounting of presence in the "territory of the member states" for the Schengen Borders code.
– phoog
Mar 27 at 17:56
@user4551 the decision you link to has nothing to say about its impact (or lack of impact) on the accounting of presence in the "territory of the member states" for the Schengen Borders code.
– phoog
Mar 27 at 17:56
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Time spent in the other countries does not count, but I don't have a reference at the moment. If I find one later, I'll post a proper answer.
– phoog
Mar 26 at 14:25