Do I have EU citizen rights in the UK if I have entered on my Australian passport (but I am also an EU citizen)?
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I have been unable to find an answer to my question on the UK immigration web pages, nor on other travel stack exchange questions/answers, so any help would be much appreciated.
I have entered the UK on my Australian passport. However, since entering I have been granted EU (Czech) citizenship. Do I now have the rights of an EU citizen in the UK?
Basically, does EU immigration law mean that am I strictly bound by the rights/restrictions of the passport I enter the UK on, or do you automatically possess EU rights if you are/become an EU citizen while in the UK, irrespective of what passport you entered on?
Note: I do not have a Czech passport (yet), so I cannot exit the UK and re-enter on that passport.
Note: I'm not trying to find out information about the future impact of Brexit, just trying to find out information for the current situation while the UK is still part of the EU.
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I have been unable to find an answer to my question on the UK immigration web pages, nor on other travel stack exchange questions/answers, so any help would be much appreciated.
I have entered the UK on my Australian passport. However, since entering I have been granted EU (Czech) citizenship. Do I now have the rights of an EU citizen in the UK?
Basically, does EU immigration law mean that am I strictly bound by the rights/restrictions of the passport I enter the UK on, or do you automatically possess EU rights if you are/become an EU citizen while in the UK, irrespective of what passport you entered on?
Note: I do not have a Czech passport (yet), so I cannot exit the UK and re-enter on that passport.
Note: I'm not trying to find out information about the future impact of Brexit, just trying to find out information for the current situation while the UK is still part of the EU.
uk eu-citizens passport-control
asked Sep 22 '17 at 11:27
Hannah
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rights of an EU citizen in the UK?What specifically ?
– DumbCoder
Sep 22 '17 at 11:32
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Not an expert, but once you have a EU citizenship and a passport to prove it, I would be very surprised if your having entered the UK on an Australian passport would matter in any way. As long as the UK is a member of the EU, EU citizenship should immediately and completely trump whatever more limited UK visa/permit you had originally. That said, I guess it can't hurt to check with UK immigration authorities, and maybe let them know about your new passport, to prevent any misunderstandings that might occur down the line from them not knowing about your new status.
– Pekka 웃
Sep 22 '17 at 12:03
You may not have the passport yet, but you presumably have some other document, such as a certificate of citizenship, or at least an official letter confirming that you are a Czech citizen. Is that true?
– phoog
Sep 22 '17 at 15:39
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I have been unable to find an answer to my question on the UK immigration web pages, nor on other travel stack exchange questions/answers, so any help would be much appreciated.
I have entered the UK on my Australian passport. However, since entering I have been granted EU (Czech) citizenship. Do I now have the rights of an EU citizen in the UK?
Basically, does EU immigration law mean that am I strictly bound by the rights/restrictions of the passport I enter the UK on, or do you automatically possess EU rights if you are/become an EU citizen while in the UK, irrespective of what passport you entered on?
Note: I do not have a Czech passport (yet), so I cannot exit the UK and re-enter on that passport.
Note: I'm not trying to find out information about the future impact of Brexit, just trying to find out information for the current situation while the UK is still part of the EU.
uk eu-citizens passport-control
asked Sep 22 '17 at 11:27
Hannah
836
I have been unable to find an answer to my question on the UK immigration web pages, nor on other travel stack exchange questions/answers, so any help would be much appreciated.
I have entered the UK on my Australian passport. However, since entering I have been granted EU (Czech) citizenship. Do I now have the rights of an EU citizen in the UK?
Basically, does EU immigration law mean that am I strictly bound by the rights/restrictions of the passport I enter the UK on, or do you automatically possess EU rights if you are/become an EU citizen while in the UK, irrespective of what passport you entered on?
Note: I do not have a Czech passport (yet), so I cannot exit the UK and re-enter on that passport.
Note: I'm not trying to find out information about the future impact of Brexit, just trying to find out information for the current situation while the UK is still part of the EU.
uk eu-citizens passport-control
uk eu-citizens passport-control
asked Sep 22 '17 at 11:27
Hannah
836
asked Sep 22 '17 at 11:27
Hannah
836
asked Sep 22 '17 at 11:27
Hannah
836
asked Sep 22 '17 at 11:27
Hannah
836
asked Sep 22 '17 at 11:27
Hannah
836
836
2
rights of an EU citizen in the UK?What specifically ?
– DumbCoder
Sep 22 '17 at 11:32
2
Not an expert, but once you have a EU citizenship and a passport to prove it, I would be very surprised if your having entered the UK on an Australian passport would matter in any way. As long as the UK is a member of the EU, EU citizenship should immediately and completely trump whatever more limited UK visa/permit you had originally. That said, I guess it can't hurt to check with UK immigration authorities, and maybe let them know about your new passport, to prevent any misunderstandings that might occur down the line from them not knowing about your new status.
– Pekka 웃
Sep 22 '17 at 12:03
You may not have the passport yet, but you presumably have some other document, such as a certificate of citizenship, or at least an official letter confirming that you are a Czech citizen. Is that true?
– phoog
Sep 22 '17 at 15:39
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rights of an EU citizen in the UK?What specifically ?
– DumbCoder
Sep 22 '17 at 11:32
2
Not an expert, but once you have a EU citizenship and a passport to prove it, I would be very surprised if your having entered the UK on an Australian passport would matter in any way. As long as the UK is a member of the EU, EU citizenship should immediately and completely trump whatever more limited UK visa/permit you had originally. That said, I guess it can't hurt to check with UK immigration authorities, and maybe let them know about your new passport, to prevent any misunderstandings that might occur down the line from them not knowing about your new status.
– Pekka 웃
Sep 22 '17 at 12:03
You may not have the passport yet, but you presumably have some other document, such as a certificate of citizenship, or at least an official letter confirming that you are a Czech citizen. Is that true?
– phoog
Sep 22 '17 at 15:39
2
2
rights of an EU citizen in the UK? What specifically ?– DumbCoder
Sep 22 '17 at 11:32
rights of an EU citizen in the UK? What specifically ?– DumbCoder
Sep 22 '17 at 11:32
2
2
Not an expert, but once you have a EU citizenship and a passport to prove it, I would be very surprised if your having entered the UK on an Australian passport would matter in any way. As long as the UK is a member of the EU, EU citizenship should immediately and completely trump whatever more limited UK visa/permit you had originally. That said, I guess it can't hurt to check with UK immigration authorities, and maybe let them know about your new passport, to prevent any misunderstandings that might occur down the line from them not knowing about your new status.
– Pekka 웃
Sep 22 '17 at 12:03
Not an expert, but once you have a EU citizenship and a passport to prove it, I would be very surprised if your having entered the UK on an Australian passport would matter in any way. As long as the UK is a member of the EU, EU citizenship should immediately and completely trump whatever more limited UK visa/permit you had originally. That said, I guess it can't hurt to check with UK immigration authorities, and maybe let them know about your new passport, to prevent any misunderstandings that might occur down the line from them not knowing about your new status.
– Pekka 웃
Sep 22 '17 at 12:03
You may not have the passport yet, but you presumably have some other document, such as a certificate of citizenship, or at least an official letter confirming that you are a Czech citizen. Is that true?
– phoog
Sep 22 '17 at 15:39
You may not have the passport yet, but you presumably have some other document, such as a certificate of citizenship, or at least an official letter confirming that you are a Czech citizen. Is that true?
– phoog
Sep 22 '17 at 15:39
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Union citizenship and the rights (such as freedom of movement) that comes with it attach to a person, not to a particular passport.
Not having a Czech passport (or identity card) simply means it will be somewhat more cumbersome for you to demonstrate that you have those rights to authorities than if you could just show a standard document. But it does not mean that you don't have the rights, and if you need to rely on them in your dealings with the UK government, the UK is obliged to let you prove "by other means" that you have them:
Where a Union citizen, or a family member who is not a national of a Member State, does not have the necessary travel documents or, if required, the necessary visas, the Member State concerned shall, before turning them back, give such persons every reasonable opportunity to obtain the necessary documents or have them brought to them within a reasonable period of time or to corroborate or prove by other means that they are covered by the right of free movement and residence.
Directive 2004/38, article 5.4.
(As written this appears to only apply to actually crossing the border. But I'm pretty sure it also has to hold analogously for relying on your rights after you have entered).
Note that private entities such as banks, employers, landlords, airlines may have a more restricted view of which kind of documentation for your citizenship they will accept than the government can get away with.
answered Sep 22 '17 at 15:08
Henning Makholm
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1 Answer
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active
oldest
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active
oldest
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active
oldest
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up vote
5
down vote
accepted
Union citizenship and the rights (such as freedom of movement) that comes with it attach to a person, not to a particular passport.
Not having a Czech passport (or identity card) simply means it will be somewhat more cumbersome for you to demonstrate that you have those rights to authorities than if you could just show a standard document. But it does not mean that you don't have the rights, and if you need to rely on them in your dealings with the UK government, the UK is obliged to let you prove "by other means" that you have them:
Where a Union citizen, or a family member who is not a national of a Member State, does not have the necessary travel documents or, if required, the necessary visas, the Member State concerned shall, before turning them back, give such persons every reasonable opportunity to obtain the necessary documents or have them brought to them within a reasonable period of time or to corroborate or prove by other means that they are covered by the right of free movement and residence.
Directive 2004/38, article 5.4.
(As written this appears to only apply to actually crossing the border. But I'm pretty sure it also has to hold analogously for relying on your rights after you have entered).
Note that private entities such as banks, employers, landlords, airlines may have a more restricted view of which kind of documentation for your citizenship they will accept than the government can get away with.
answered Sep 22 '17 at 15:08
Henning Makholm
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up vote
5
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accepted
Union citizenship and the rights (such as freedom of movement) that comes with it attach to a person, not to a particular passport.
Not having a Czech passport (or identity card) simply means it will be somewhat more cumbersome for you to demonstrate that you have those rights to authorities than if you could just show a standard document. But it does not mean that you don't have the rights, and if you need to rely on them in your dealings with the UK government, the UK is obliged to let you prove "by other means" that you have them:
Where a Union citizen, or a family member who is not a national of a Member State, does not have the necessary travel documents or, if required, the necessary visas, the Member State concerned shall, before turning them back, give such persons every reasonable opportunity to obtain the necessary documents or have them brought to them within a reasonable period of time or to corroborate or prove by other means that they are covered by the right of free movement and residence.
Directive 2004/38, article 5.4.
(As written this appears to only apply to actually crossing the border. But I'm pretty sure it also has to hold analogously for relying on your rights after you have entered).
Note that private entities such as banks, employers, landlords, airlines may have a more restricted view of which kind of documentation for your citizenship they will accept than the government can get away with.
answered Sep 22 '17 at 15:08
Henning Makholm
36.9k688147
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up vote
5
down vote
accepted
up vote
5
down vote
accepted
Union citizenship and the rights (such as freedom of movement) that comes with it attach to a person, not to a particular passport.
Not having a Czech passport (or identity card) simply means it will be somewhat more cumbersome for you to demonstrate that you have those rights to authorities than if you could just show a standard document. But it does not mean that you don't have the rights, and if you need to rely on them in your dealings with the UK government, the UK is obliged to let you prove "by other means" that you have them:
Where a Union citizen, or a family member who is not a national of a Member State, does not have the necessary travel documents or, if required, the necessary visas, the Member State concerned shall, before turning them back, give such persons every reasonable opportunity to obtain the necessary documents or have them brought to them within a reasonable period of time or to corroborate or prove by other means that they are covered by the right of free movement and residence.
Directive 2004/38, article 5.4.
(As written this appears to only apply to actually crossing the border. But I'm pretty sure it also has to hold analogously for relying on your rights after you have entered).
Note that private entities such as banks, employers, landlords, airlines may have a more restricted view of which kind of documentation for your citizenship they will accept than the government can get away with.
answered Sep 22 '17 at 15:08
Henning Makholm
36.9k688147
Union citizenship and the rights (such as freedom of movement) that comes with it attach to a person, not to a particular passport.
Not having a Czech passport (or identity card) simply means it will be somewhat more cumbersome for you to demonstrate that you have those rights to authorities than if you could just show a standard document. But it does not mean that you don't have the rights, and if you need to rely on them in your dealings with the UK government, the UK is obliged to let you prove "by other means" that you have them:
Where a Union citizen, or a family member who is not a national of a Member State, does not have the necessary travel documents or, if required, the necessary visas, the Member State concerned shall, before turning them back, give such persons every reasonable opportunity to obtain the necessary documents or have them brought to them within a reasonable period of time or to corroborate or prove by other means that they are covered by the right of free movement and residence.
Directive 2004/38, article 5.4.
(As written this appears to only apply to actually crossing the border. But I'm pretty sure it also has to hold analogously for relying on your rights after you have entered).
Note that private entities such as banks, employers, landlords, airlines may have a more restricted view of which kind of documentation for your citizenship they will accept than the government can get away with.
answered Sep 22 '17 at 15:08
Henning Makholm
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answered Sep 22 '17 at 15:08
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answered Sep 22 '17 at 15:08
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answered Sep 22 '17 at 15:08
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rights of an EU citizen in the UK?What specifically ?– DumbCoder
Sep 22 '17 at 11:32
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Not an expert, but once you have a EU citizenship and a passport to prove it, I would be very surprised if your having entered the UK on an Australian passport would matter in any way. As long as the UK is a member of the EU, EU citizenship should immediately and completely trump whatever more limited UK visa/permit you had originally. That said, I guess it can't hurt to check with UK immigration authorities, and maybe let them know about your new passport, to prevent any misunderstandings that might occur down the line from them not knowing about your new status.
– Pekka 웃
Sep 22 '17 at 12:03
You may not have the passport yet, but you presumably have some other document, such as a certificate of citizenship, or at least an official letter confirming that you are a Czech citizen. Is that true?
– phoog
Sep 22 '17 at 15:39