Can I return to the Schengen area without my residency permit?
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I'm living in Germany with a blue card. Some days ago I've come to Korea but I forgot to take my blue card. I'm going back to Germany from Incheon airport (Seoul) and will stop over in Heathrow airport (London) and will go back to Tegel airport (Berlin).
How can I go back to Berlin without my blue card? I can ask my wife to bring the card to Tegel airport if it would help, but I'm not sure if I can take the flight at Heathrow airport or even at Incheon airport.
Update
I've asked via another channel and just got an answer saying that he had accidentally put his blue card in the baggage but he was able to enter the country after the security guy checked through the system. That said, more official answer would be welcome.
Update 2
I've come to Germany without any problem, but it was possible as I had Beiblatt attached to my passport, which has the expiration date of my visa. The staff at the check-in desk has checked the document and the German border guard also has checked it. Nobody asked me for the blue card in my case. So I don't know what would have happened if I had neither.
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I'm living in Germany with a blue card. Some days ago I've come to Korea but I forgot to take my blue card. I'm going back to Germany from Incheon airport (Seoul) and will stop over in Heathrow airport (London) and will go back to Tegel airport (Berlin).
How can I go back to Berlin without my blue card? I can ask my wife to bring the card to Tegel airport if it would help, but I'm not sure if I can take the flight at Heathrow airport or even at Incheon airport.
Update
I've asked via another channel and just got an answer saying that he had accidentally put his blue card in the baggage but he was able to enter the country after the security guy checked through the system. That said, more official answer would be welcome.
Update 2
I've come to Germany without any problem, but it was possible as I had Beiblatt attached to my passport, which has the expiration date of my visa. The staff at the check-in desk has checked the document and the German border guard also has checked it. Nobody asked me for the blue card in my case. So I don't know what would have happened if I had neither.
visas schengen germany
asked Nov 18 '17 at 15:33
Sanghyun Lee
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What is your citizenship?
– Peter Green
Nov 18 '17 at 16:40
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I have Korean citizenship.
– Sanghyun Lee
Nov 18 '17 at 16:42
1
Have you considered to get the document shipped to Korea? I wouldn't put it into an ordinary letter, but many express delivery companies have "premium services" with parcel tracking, mostly assured delivery times, signatures at both ends, etc.
– o.m.
Nov 18 '17 at 19:06
@o.m. Yes i have, but I gave up on that as I found that I might not be able to get it before my flight.
– Sanghyun Lee
Nov 19 '17 at 5:11
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When you say you left your blue card, do you mean your Aufenthaltstitel card, which is this blue-ish/purple card that looks like a national ID, and is only valid together with your passport? The §19a visa does not necessarily come with that card. For some time Berlin for example uses full-page stickers because Bundesdruckerei had too much of a backlog creating cards. In that case, you could not have forgotten the visa. Anyway, a third compound is the Beiblatt that states which job you are allowed to do. Do you have that, maybe stuck into the cover of your passport?
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Nov 20 '17 at 12:56
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I'm living in Germany with a blue card. Some days ago I've come to Korea but I forgot to take my blue card. I'm going back to Germany from Incheon airport (Seoul) and will stop over in Heathrow airport (London) and will go back to Tegel airport (Berlin).
How can I go back to Berlin without my blue card? I can ask my wife to bring the card to Tegel airport if it would help, but I'm not sure if I can take the flight at Heathrow airport or even at Incheon airport.
Update
I've asked via another channel and just got an answer saying that he had accidentally put his blue card in the baggage but he was able to enter the country after the security guy checked through the system. That said, more official answer would be welcome.
Update 2
I've come to Germany without any problem, but it was possible as I had Beiblatt attached to my passport, which has the expiration date of my visa. The staff at the check-in desk has checked the document and the German border guard also has checked it. Nobody asked me for the blue card in my case. So I don't know what would have happened if I had neither.
visas schengen germany
asked Nov 18 '17 at 15:33
Sanghyun Lee
1636
I'm living in Germany with a blue card. Some days ago I've come to Korea but I forgot to take my blue card. I'm going back to Germany from Incheon airport (Seoul) and will stop over in Heathrow airport (London) and will go back to Tegel airport (Berlin).
How can I go back to Berlin without my blue card? I can ask my wife to bring the card to Tegel airport if it would help, but I'm not sure if I can take the flight at Heathrow airport or even at Incheon airport.
Update
I've asked via another channel and just got an answer saying that he had accidentally put his blue card in the baggage but he was able to enter the country after the security guy checked through the system. That said, more official answer would be welcome.
Update 2
I've come to Germany without any problem, but it was possible as I had Beiblatt attached to my passport, which has the expiration date of my visa. The staff at the check-in desk has checked the document and the German border guard also has checked it. Nobody asked me for the blue card in my case. So I don't know what would have happened if I had neither.
visas schengen germany
visas schengen germany
asked Nov 18 '17 at 15:33
Sanghyun Lee
1636
asked Nov 18 '17 at 15:33
Sanghyun Lee
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edited Dec 12 '17 at 22:30
asked Nov 18 '17 at 15:33
Sanghyun Lee
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asked Nov 18 '17 at 15:33
Sanghyun Lee
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asked Nov 18 '17 at 15:33
Sanghyun Lee
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What is your citizenship?
– Peter Green
Nov 18 '17 at 16:40
1
I have Korean citizenship.
– Sanghyun Lee
Nov 18 '17 at 16:42
1
Have you considered to get the document shipped to Korea? I wouldn't put it into an ordinary letter, but many express delivery companies have "premium services" with parcel tracking, mostly assured delivery times, signatures at both ends, etc.
– o.m.
Nov 18 '17 at 19:06
@o.m. Yes i have, but I gave up on that as I found that I might not be able to get it before my flight.
– Sanghyun Lee
Nov 19 '17 at 5:11
1
When you say you left your blue card, do you mean your Aufenthaltstitel card, which is this blue-ish/purple card that looks like a national ID, and is only valid together with your passport? The §19a visa does not necessarily come with that card. For some time Berlin for example uses full-page stickers because Bundesdruckerei had too much of a backlog creating cards. In that case, you could not have forgotten the visa. Anyway, a third compound is the Beiblatt that states which job you are allowed to do. Do you have that, maybe stuck into the cover of your passport?
– simbabque
Nov 20 '17 at 12:56
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What is your citizenship?
– Peter Green
Nov 18 '17 at 16:40
1
I have Korean citizenship.
– Sanghyun Lee
Nov 18 '17 at 16:42
1
Have you considered to get the document shipped to Korea? I wouldn't put it into an ordinary letter, but many express delivery companies have "premium services" with parcel tracking, mostly assured delivery times, signatures at both ends, etc.
– o.m.
Nov 18 '17 at 19:06
@o.m. Yes i have, but I gave up on that as I found that I might not be able to get it before my flight.
– Sanghyun Lee
Nov 19 '17 at 5:11
1
When you say you left your blue card, do you mean your Aufenthaltstitel card, which is this blue-ish/purple card that looks like a national ID, and is only valid together with your passport? The §19a visa does not necessarily come with that card. For some time Berlin for example uses full-page stickers because Bundesdruckerei had too much of a backlog creating cards. In that case, you could not have forgotten the visa. Anyway, a third compound is the Beiblatt that states which job you are allowed to do. Do you have that, maybe stuck into the cover of your passport?
– simbabque
Nov 20 '17 at 12:56
What is your citizenship?
– Peter Green
Nov 18 '17 at 16:40
What is your citizenship?
– Peter Green
Nov 18 '17 at 16:40
1
1
I have Korean citizenship.
– Sanghyun Lee
Nov 18 '17 at 16:42
I have Korean citizenship.
– Sanghyun Lee
Nov 18 '17 at 16:42
1
1
Have you considered to get the document shipped to Korea? I wouldn't put it into an ordinary letter, but many express delivery companies have "premium services" with parcel tracking, mostly assured delivery times, signatures at both ends, etc.
– o.m.
Nov 18 '17 at 19:06
Have you considered to get the document shipped to Korea? I wouldn't put it into an ordinary letter, but many express delivery companies have "premium services" with parcel tracking, mostly assured delivery times, signatures at both ends, etc.
– o.m.
Nov 18 '17 at 19:06
@o.m. Yes i have, but I gave up on that as I found that I might not be able to get it before my flight.
– Sanghyun Lee
Nov 19 '17 at 5:11
@o.m. Yes i have, but I gave up on that as I found that I might not be able to get it before my flight.
– Sanghyun Lee
Nov 19 '17 at 5:11
1
1
When you say you left your blue card, do you mean your Aufenthaltstitel card, which is this blue-ish/purple card that looks like a national ID, and is only valid together with your passport? The §19a visa does not necessarily come with that card. For some time Berlin for example uses full-page stickers because Bundesdruckerei had too much of a backlog creating cards. In that case, you could not have forgotten the visa. Anyway, a third compound is the Beiblatt that states which job you are allowed to do. Do you have that, maybe stuck into the cover of your passport?
– simbabque
Nov 20 '17 at 12:56
When you say you left your blue card, do you mean your Aufenthaltstitel card, which is this blue-ish/purple card that looks like a national ID, and is only valid together with your passport? The §19a visa does not necessarily come with that card. For some time Berlin for example uses full-page stickers because Bundesdruckerei had too much of a backlog creating cards. In that case, you could not have forgotten the visa. Anyway, a third compound is the Beiblatt that states which job you are allowed to do. Do you have that, maybe stuck into the cover of your passport?
– simbabque
Nov 20 '17 at 12:56
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As a citizen of South Korea you are free to visit the Schengen area without a visa, since your country is on the Annex II list. You could therefore exit Germany without any issues. As for the return - while the German border guards might want to see your residency card, it's not really necessary for entry as they have access to the database of people with German residency. However you might face an issue with the airline as they're technically supposed to verify you haven't exhausted the 90/180 days limit in the Schengen area. In this case you would have to either:
- Hope nobody would bother checking and simply show up for the flight, which is usually the case in my experience
- Apply for a temporary visa at the German consulate
- Get a fresh South Korean passport (or a second passport) that doesn't have any Schengen entry stamps
- Purchase a transit flight via Germany to another country (e.g. the UK) and fly without luggage. In this case you would simply exit in Germany before reaching your final destination.
If you were a citizen of a country whose nationals require a visa to enter the Schengen area, your only option would've been to receive a temporary visa before leaving or at the consulate.
Source: being in the very same situation in the Czech Republic.
answered Nov 18 '17 at 16:44
JonathanReez♦
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Since the OP is currently living in Germany, I would expect that he has already spent more than 90 out the previous 180 days in Germany or more generally in the Schengen area and is therefore not allowed to reenter using only his visa-free (Annex II based) 'allowance'. You are right that German immigration police will have access to and is able to verify the residence permit, but the airline is not. It is very likely that the airline will deny boarding, since he is not allowed to enter Germany based on the documents he will present when checking in.
– Tor-Einar Jarnbjo
Nov 18 '17 at 18:05
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@Tor-EinarJarnbjo do airlines actually verify the 90/180 rule? What I usually saw was that the clerk simply checks the passport validity and that's it. Worst case scenario OP could fly via Germany (e.g. on Lufthansa) on a fake transit and then simply exit at the layover airport.
– JonathanReez♦
Nov 18 '17 at 18:50
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@MartinArgerami passport stamps. That's also how Schengen border guards do the check as there's no Schengen-wide entry-exit database (yet).
– JonathanReez♦
Nov 18 '17 at 20:02
2
@JonathanReez: Do you have any evidence of that? I have flown to Europe some 40 times, from 8 different countries in three continents, with many airlines, and I have never seen a check-in employee perusing the many stamps in my passport to verify my last Schengen exit; which, by the way, could perfectly be in my other passport, as happened twice this year.
– Martin Argerami
Nov 18 '17 at 21:37
2
@Tor-EinarJarnbjo: as I mentioned to Jonathan, that is in strong disagreement with my experience. And even then, if that were the case, the traveller can solve the "issue" by getting a new passport. Are you saying that it is that easy for an over-stayed traveller to reenter the Schengen area? Just get a new passport?
– Martin Argerami
Nov 18 '17 at 21:41
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As a citizen of South Korea you are free to visit the Schengen area without a visa, since your country is on the Annex II list. You could therefore exit Germany without any issues. As for the return - while the German border guards might want to see your residency card, it's not really necessary for entry as they have access to the database of people with German residency. However you might face an issue with the airline as they're technically supposed to verify you haven't exhausted the 90/180 days limit in the Schengen area. In this case you would have to either:
- Hope nobody would bother checking and simply show up for the flight, which is usually the case in my experience
- Apply for a temporary visa at the German consulate
- Get a fresh South Korean passport (or a second passport) that doesn't have any Schengen entry stamps
- Purchase a transit flight via Germany to another country (e.g. the UK) and fly without luggage. In this case you would simply exit in Germany before reaching your final destination.
If you were a citizen of a country whose nationals require a visa to enter the Schengen area, your only option would've been to receive a temporary visa before leaving or at the consulate.
Source: being in the very same situation in the Czech Republic.
answered Nov 18 '17 at 16:44
JonathanReez♦
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Since the OP is currently living in Germany, I would expect that he has already spent more than 90 out the previous 180 days in Germany or more generally in the Schengen area and is therefore not allowed to reenter using only his visa-free (Annex II based) 'allowance'. You are right that German immigration police will have access to and is able to verify the residence permit, but the airline is not. It is very likely that the airline will deny boarding, since he is not allowed to enter Germany based on the documents he will present when checking in.
– Tor-Einar Jarnbjo
Nov 18 '17 at 18:05
2
@Tor-EinarJarnbjo do airlines actually verify the 90/180 rule? What I usually saw was that the clerk simply checks the passport validity and that's it. Worst case scenario OP could fly via Germany (e.g. on Lufthansa) on a fake transit and then simply exit at the layover airport.
– JonathanReez♦
Nov 18 '17 at 18:50
1
@MartinArgerami passport stamps. That's also how Schengen border guards do the check as there's no Schengen-wide entry-exit database (yet).
– JonathanReez♦
Nov 18 '17 at 20:02
2
@JonathanReez: Do you have any evidence of that? I have flown to Europe some 40 times, from 8 different countries in three continents, with many airlines, and I have never seen a check-in employee perusing the many stamps in my passport to verify my last Schengen exit; which, by the way, could perfectly be in my other passport, as happened twice this year.
– Martin Argerami
Nov 18 '17 at 21:37
2
@Tor-EinarJarnbjo: as I mentioned to Jonathan, that is in strong disagreement with my experience. And even then, if that were the case, the traveller can solve the "issue" by getting a new passport. Are you saying that it is that easy for an over-stayed traveller to reenter the Schengen area? Just get a new passport?
– Martin Argerami
Nov 18 '17 at 21:41
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up vote
11
down vote
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As a citizen of South Korea you are free to visit the Schengen area without a visa, since your country is on the Annex II list. You could therefore exit Germany without any issues. As for the return - while the German border guards might want to see your residency card, it's not really necessary for entry as they have access to the database of people with German residency. However you might face an issue with the airline as they're technically supposed to verify you haven't exhausted the 90/180 days limit in the Schengen area. In this case you would have to either:
- Hope nobody would bother checking and simply show up for the flight, which is usually the case in my experience
- Apply for a temporary visa at the German consulate
- Get a fresh South Korean passport (or a second passport) that doesn't have any Schengen entry stamps
- Purchase a transit flight via Germany to another country (e.g. the UK) and fly without luggage. In this case you would simply exit in Germany before reaching your final destination.
If you were a citizen of a country whose nationals require a visa to enter the Schengen area, your only option would've been to receive a temporary visa before leaving or at the consulate.
Source: being in the very same situation in the Czech Republic.
answered Nov 18 '17 at 16:44
JonathanReez♦
46.6k36214459
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Since the OP is currently living in Germany, I would expect that he has already spent more than 90 out the previous 180 days in Germany or more generally in the Schengen area and is therefore not allowed to reenter using only his visa-free (Annex II based) 'allowance'. You are right that German immigration police will have access to and is able to verify the residence permit, but the airline is not. It is very likely that the airline will deny boarding, since he is not allowed to enter Germany based on the documents he will present when checking in.
– Tor-Einar Jarnbjo
Nov 18 '17 at 18:05
2
@Tor-EinarJarnbjo do airlines actually verify the 90/180 rule? What I usually saw was that the clerk simply checks the passport validity and that's it. Worst case scenario OP could fly via Germany (e.g. on Lufthansa) on a fake transit and then simply exit at the layover airport.
– JonathanReez♦
Nov 18 '17 at 18:50
1
@MartinArgerami passport stamps. That's also how Schengen border guards do the check as there's no Schengen-wide entry-exit database (yet).
– JonathanReez♦
Nov 18 '17 at 20:02
2
@JonathanReez: Do you have any evidence of that? I have flown to Europe some 40 times, from 8 different countries in three continents, with many airlines, and I have never seen a check-in employee perusing the many stamps in my passport to verify my last Schengen exit; which, by the way, could perfectly be in my other passport, as happened twice this year.
– Martin Argerami
Nov 18 '17 at 21:37
2
@Tor-EinarJarnbjo: as I mentioned to Jonathan, that is in strong disagreement with my experience. And even then, if that were the case, the traveller can solve the "issue" by getting a new passport. Are you saying that it is that easy for an over-stayed traveller to reenter the Schengen area? Just get a new passport?
– Martin Argerami
Nov 18 '17 at 21:41
 |Â
show 7 more comments
up vote
11
down vote
accepted
up vote
11
down vote
accepted
As a citizen of South Korea you are free to visit the Schengen area without a visa, since your country is on the Annex II list. You could therefore exit Germany without any issues. As for the return - while the German border guards might want to see your residency card, it's not really necessary for entry as they have access to the database of people with German residency. However you might face an issue with the airline as they're technically supposed to verify you haven't exhausted the 90/180 days limit in the Schengen area. In this case you would have to either:
- Hope nobody would bother checking and simply show up for the flight, which is usually the case in my experience
- Apply for a temporary visa at the German consulate
- Get a fresh South Korean passport (or a second passport) that doesn't have any Schengen entry stamps
- Purchase a transit flight via Germany to another country (e.g. the UK) and fly without luggage. In this case you would simply exit in Germany before reaching your final destination.
If you were a citizen of a country whose nationals require a visa to enter the Schengen area, your only option would've been to receive a temporary visa before leaving or at the consulate.
Source: being in the very same situation in the Czech Republic.
answered Nov 18 '17 at 16:44
JonathanReez♦
46.6k36214459
As a citizen of South Korea you are free to visit the Schengen area without a visa, since your country is on the Annex II list. You could therefore exit Germany without any issues. As for the return - while the German border guards might want to see your residency card, it's not really necessary for entry as they have access to the database of people with German residency. However you might face an issue with the airline as they're technically supposed to verify you haven't exhausted the 90/180 days limit in the Schengen area. In this case you would have to either:
- Hope nobody would bother checking and simply show up for the flight, which is usually the case in my experience
- Apply for a temporary visa at the German consulate
- Get a fresh South Korean passport (or a second passport) that doesn't have any Schengen entry stamps
- Purchase a transit flight via Germany to another country (e.g. the UK) and fly without luggage. In this case you would simply exit in Germany before reaching your final destination.
If you were a citizen of a country whose nationals require a visa to enter the Schengen area, your only option would've been to receive a temporary visa before leaving or at the consulate.
Source: being in the very same situation in the Czech Republic.
answered Nov 18 '17 at 16:44
JonathanReez♦
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answered Nov 18 '17 at 16:44
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answered Nov 18 '17 at 16:44
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Since the OP is currently living in Germany, I would expect that he has already spent more than 90 out the previous 180 days in Germany or more generally in the Schengen area and is therefore not allowed to reenter using only his visa-free (Annex II based) 'allowance'. You are right that German immigration police will have access to and is able to verify the residence permit, but the airline is not. It is very likely that the airline will deny boarding, since he is not allowed to enter Germany based on the documents he will present when checking in.
– Tor-Einar Jarnbjo
Nov 18 '17 at 18:05
2
@Tor-EinarJarnbjo do airlines actually verify the 90/180 rule? What I usually saw was that the clerk simply checks the passport validity and that's it. Worst case scenario OP could fly via Germany (e.g. on Lufthansa) on a fake transit and then simply exit at the layover airport.
– JonathanReez♦
Nov 18 '17 at 18:50
1
@MartinArgerami passport stamps. That's also how Schengen border guards do the check as there's no Schengen-wide entry-exit database (yet).
– JonathanReez♦
Nov 18 '17 at 20:02
2
@JonathanReez: Do you have any evidence of that? I have flown to Europe some 40 times, from 8 different countries in three continents, with many airlines, and I have never seen a check-in employee perusing the many stamps in my passport to verify my last Schengen exit; which, by the way, could perfectly be in my other passport, as happened twice this year.
– Martin Argerami
Nov 18 '17 at 21:37
2
@Tor-EinarJarnbjo: as I mentioned to Jonathan, that is in strong disagreement with my experience. And even then, if that were the case, the traveller can solve the "issue" by getting a new passport. Are you saying that it is that easy for an over-stayed traveller to reenter the Schengen area? Just get a new passport?
– Martin Argerami
Nov 18 '17 at 21:41
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show 7 more comments
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Since the OP is currently living in Germany, I would expect that he has already spent more than 90 out the previous 180 days in Germany or more generally in the Schengen area and is therefore not allowed to reenter using only his visa-free (Annex II based) 'allowance'. You are right that German immigration police will have access to and is able to verify the residence permit, but the airline is not. It is very likely that the airline will deny boarding, since he is not allowed to enter Germany based on the documents he will present when checking in.
– Tor-Einar Jarnbjo
Nov 18 '17 at 18:05
2
@Tor-EinarJarnbjo do airlines actually verify the 90/180 rule? What I usually saw was that the clerk simply checks the passport validity and that's it. Worst case scenario OP could fly via Germany (e.g. on Lufthansa) on a fake transit and then simply exit at the layover airport.
– JonathanReez♦
Nov 18 '17 at 18:50
1
@MartinArgerami passport stamps. That's also how Schengen border guards do the check as there's no Schengen-wide entry-exit database (yet).
– JonathanReez♦
Nov 18 '17 at 20:02
2
@JonathanReez: Do you have any evidence of that? I have flown to Europe some 40 times, from 8 different countries in three continents, with many airlines, and I have never seen a check-in employee perusing the many stamps in my passport to verify my last Schengen exit; which, by the way, could perfectly be in my other passport, as happened twice this year.
– Martin Argerami
Nov 18 '17 at 21:37
2
@Tor-EinarJarnbjo: as I mentioned to Jonathan, that is in strong disagreement with my experience. And even then, if that were the case, the traveller can solve the "issue" by getting a new passport. Are you saying that it is that easy for an over-stayed traveller to reenter the Schengen area? Just get a new passport?
– Martin Argerami
Nov 18 '17 at 21:41
1
1
Since the OP is currently living in Germany, I would expect that he has already spent more than 90 out the previous 180 days in Germany or more generally in the Schengen area and is therefore not allowed to reenter using only his visa-free (Annex II based) 'allowance'. You are right that German immigration police will have access to and is able to verify the residence permit, but the airline is not. It is very likely that the airline will deny boarding, since he is not allowed to enter Germany based on the documents he will present when checking in.
– Tor-Einar Jarnbjo
Nov 18 '17 at 18:05
Since the OP is currently living in Germany, I would expect that he has already spent more than 90 out the previous 180 days in Germany or more generally in the Schengen area and is therefore not allowed to reenter using only his visa-free (Annex II based) 'allowance'. You are right that German immigration police will have access to and is able to verify the residence permit, but the airline is not. It is very likely that the airline will deny boarding, since he is not allowed to enter Germany based on the documents he will present when checking in.
– Tor-Einar Jarnbjo
Nov 18 '17 at 18:05
2
2
@Tor-EinarJarnbjo do airlines actually verify the 90/180 rule? What I usually saw was that the clerk simply checks the passport validity and that's it. Worst case scenario OP could fly via Germany (e.g. on Lufthansa) on a fake transit and then simply exit at the layover airport.
– JonathanReez♦
Nov 18 '17 at 18:50
@Tor-EinarJarnbjo do airlines actually verify the 90/180 rule? What I usually saw was that the clerk simply checks the passport validity and that's it. Worst case scenario OP could fly via Germany (e.g. on Lufthansa) on a fake transit and then simply exit at the layover airport.
– JonathanReez♦
Nov 18 '17 at 18:50
1
1
@MartinArgerami passport stamps. That's also how Schengen border guards do the check as there's no Schengen-wide entry-exit database (yet).
– JonathanReez♦
Nov 18 '17 at 20:02
@MartinArgerami passport stamps. That's also how Schengen border guards do the check as there's no Schengen-wide entry-exit database (yet).
– JonathanReez♦
Nov 18 '17 at 20:02
2
2
@JonathanReez: Do you have any evidence of that? I have flown to Europe some 40 times, from 8 different countries in three continents, with many airlines, and I have never seen a check-in employee perusing the many stamps in my passport to verify my last Schengen exit; which, by the way, could perfectly be in my other passport, as happened twice this year.
– Martin Argerami
Nov 18 '17 at 21:37
@JonathanReez: Do you have any evidence of that? I have flown to Europe some 40 times, from 8 different countries in three continents, with many airlines, and I have never seen a check-in employee perusing the many stamps in my passport to verify my last Schengen exit; which, by the way, could perfectly be in my other passport, as happened twice this year.
– Martin Argerami
Nov 18 '17 at 21:37
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@Tor-EinarJarnbjo: as I mentioned to Jonathan, that is in strong disagreement with my experience. And even then, if that were the case, the traveller can solve the "issue" by getting a new passport. Are you saying that it is that easy for an over-stayed traveller to reenter the Schengen area? Just get a new passport?
– Martin Argerami
Nov 18 '17 at 21:41
@Tor-EinarJarnbjo: as I mentioned to Jonathan, that is in strong disagreement with my experience. And even then, if that were the case, the traveller can solve the "issue" by getting a new passport. Are you saying that it is that easy for an over-stayed traveller to reenter the Schengen area? Just get a new passport?
– Martin Argerami
Nov 18 '17 at 21:41
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What is your citizenship?
– Peter Green
Nov 18 '17 at 16:40
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I have Korean citizenship.
– Sanghyun Lee
Nov 18 '17 at 16:42
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Have you considered to get the document shipped to Korea? I wouldn't put it into an ordinary letter, but many express delivery companies have "premium services" with parcel tracking, mostly assured delivery times, signatures at both ends, etc.
– o.m.
Nov 18 '17 at 19:06
@o.m. Yes i have, but I gave up on that as I found that I might not be able to get it before my flight.
– Sanghyun Lee
Nov 19 '17 at 5:11
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When you say you left your blue card, do you mean your Aufenthaltstitel card, which is this blue-ish/purple card that looks like a national ID, and is only valid together with your passport? The §19a visa does not necessarily come with that card. For some time Berlin for example uses full-page stickers because Bundesdruckerei had too much of a backlog creating cards. In that case, you could not have forgotten the visa. Anyway, a third compound is the Beiblatt that states which job you are allowed to do. Do you have that, maybe stuck into the cover of your passport?
– simbabque
Nov 20 '17 at 12:56