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Consider I have a profile that installs a package. After installation, it runs some exec commands. But these commands need to run only once when the package is first installed.



 package 'package1':
ensure => 'present'


exec 'signal_package_conf':
command => 'systemctl restart package.service',
path => '/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin',
refreshonly => true,
subscribe => Package['package1'],



But suppose this particular package gets installed as a dependency for another package in another profile.



When puppet comes to the package1 resource, it will find that the package is already installed and will not install it again. Since puppet would not know of this implicit package dependency, will the subscription to the package still work and execute the command in the exec resource?










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    Consider I have a profile that installs a package. After installation, it runs some exec commands. But these commands need to run only once when the package is first installed.



     package 'package1':
    ensure => 'present'


    exec 'signal_package_conf':
    command => 'systemctl restart package.service',
    path => '/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin',
    refreshonly => true,
    subscribe => Package['package1'],



    But suppose this particular package gets installed as a dependency for another package in another profile.



    When puppet comes to the package1 resource, it will find that the package is already installed and will not install it again. Since puppet would not know of this implicit package dependency, will the subscription to the package still work and execute the command in the exec resource?










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      Consider I have a profile that installs a package. After installation, it runs some exec commands. But these commands need to run only once when the package is first installed.



       package 'package1':
      ensure => 'present'


      exec 'signal_package_conf':
      command => 'systemctl restart package.service',
      path => '/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin',
      refreshonly => true,
      subscribe => Package['package1'],



      But suppose this particular package gets installed as a dependency for another package in another profile.



      When puppet comes to the package1 resource, it will find that the package is already installed and will not install it again. Since puppet would not know of this implicit package dependency, will the subscription to the package still work and execute the command in the exec resource?










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      Consider I have a profile that installs a package. After installation, it runs some exec commands. But these commands need to run only once when the package is first installed.



       package 'package1':
      ensure => 'present'


      exec 'signal_package_conf':
      command => 'systemctl restart package.service',
      path => '/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin',
      refreshonly => true,
      subscribe => Package['package1'],



      But suppose this particular package gets installed as a dependency for another package in another profile.



      When puppet comes to the package1 resource, it will find that the package is already installed and will not install it again. Since puppet would not know of this implicit package dependency, will the subscription to the package still work and execute the command in the exec resource?







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          This answer is in two parts, to address two possible interpretations of your query about refresh relationships in general.



          Refresh events and ordering from other classes



          Let me try to rewrite what I understand your question to be in more general terms. You are asking:



          Question



          Suppose that Exec resource Y subscribes with refreshonly => true to a resource X in class A. Then suppose that resource Z requires the same resource X in class B.



          In other words, imagine this code:



          class b () 
          notify 'Z':
          require => Notify['X'],



          class a ()
          notify 'X':
          exec 'Y':
          command => '/bin/echo Y',
          refreshonly => true,
          subscribe => Notify['X'],



          include a
          include b


          Is it possible for the final ordering to be X, Z, Y, and if so, will the refresh event definitely reach Exec resource Y, considering that X and Y could be separated by Z in time?



          Answer



          Yes, and yes. Recall that Puppet builds a directed acyclic graph, and it computes the final ordering from traversing that graph. This code leads to two possible orderings in time, X, Y, Z and X, Z, Y (try it a few times using puppet apply /tmp/code.pp --ordering=random).



          But that's ok, because Puppet also tracks a queue of resources that have received a refresh event.



          What if package A is installed as a dependency of package B by the package manager outside of Puppet



          It's also possible that you are asking about RPM or other package-manager-level dependencies that exist outside of Puppet. If so, naturally, Puppet can't know about these.



          If so, yes, the refresh event would not be sent if the package manager (or anything else outside of Puppet) satisfied the subscription.






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          • I saw that option, but if I set reinstall_on_refresh to true, wont it also re-install every time puppet runs?

            – leoOrion
            Nov 14 '18 at 11:43











          • As I mentioned, only if reinstallable is also implemented, and at this time, it's only implemented for provider => portage. If you're on Gentoo, perhaps that's a real issue?

            – Alex Harvey
            Nov 14 '18 at 11:44











          • In your example, classes a and b will be managed by puppet. What I meant was when I do package 'package1': ensure => present in another profile that installs as a dependency package2(this is done using yum in my case and installation of package2 is not known to puppet). Now if I have an exec that subscribes to package2 will it still run?

            – leoOrion
            Nov 14 '18 at 11:49












          • Yes, see the third part.

            – Alex Harvey
            Nov 14 '18 at 11:49






          • 2





            re: the first point: I do not believe the asker is attempting to refresh a package resource, and I do not see an edit history in the question to indicate that. Another super minor point is that you can also enable refreshable with a method in the type that invokes something specific in the provider.

            – Matt Schuchard
            Nov 14 '18 at 13:25











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          This answer is in two parts, to address two possible interpretations of your query about refresh relationships in general.



          Refresh events and ordering from other classes



          Let me try to rewrite what I understand your question to be in more general terms. You are asking:



          Question



          Suppose that Exec resource Y subscribes with refreshonly => true to a resource X in class A. Then suppose that resource Z requires the same resource X in class B.



          In other words, imagine this code:



          class b () 
          notify 'Z':
          require => Notify['X'],



          class a ()
          notify 'X':
          exec 'Y':
          command => '/bin/echo Y',
          refreshonly => true,
          subscribe => Notify['X'],



          include a
          include b


          Is it possible for the final ordering to be X, Z, Y, and if so, will the refresh event definitely reach Exec resource Y, considering that X and Y could be separated by Z in time?



          Answer



          Yes, and yes. Recall that Puppet builds a directed acyclic graph, and it computes the final ordering from traversing that graph. This code leads to two possible orderings in time, X, Y, Z and X, Z, Y (try it a few times using puppet apply /tmp/code.pp --ordering=random).



          But that's ok, because Puppet also tracks a queue of resources that have received a refresh event.



          What if package A is installed as a dependency of package B by the package manager outside of Puppet



          It's also possible that you are asking about RPM or other package-manager-level dependencies that exist outside of Puppet. If so, naturally, Puppet can't know about these.



          If so, yes, the refresh event would not be sent if the package manager (or anything else outside of Puppet) satisfied the subscription.






          share|improve this answer

























          • I saw that option, but if I set reinstall_on_refresh to true, wont it also re-install every time puppet runs?

            – leoOrion
            Nov 14 '18 at 11:43











          • As I mentioned, only if reinstallable is also implemented, and at this time, it's only implemented for provider => portage. If you're on Gentoo, perhaps that's a real issue?

            – Alex Harvey
            Nov 14 '18 at 11:44











          • In your example, classes a and b will be managed by puppet. What I meant was when I do package 'package1': ensure => present in another profile that installs as a dependency package2(this is done using yum in my case and installation of package2 is not known to puppet). Now if I have an exec that subscribes to package2 will it still run?

            – leoOrion
            Nov 14 '18 at 11:49












          • Yes, see the third part.

            – Alex Harvey
            Nov 14 '18 at 11:49






          • 2





            re: the first point: I do not believe the asker is attempting to refresh a package resource, and I do not see an edit history in the question to indicate that. Another super minor point is that you can also enable refreshable with a method in the type that invokes something specific in the provider.

            – Matt Schuchard
            Nov 14 '18 at 13:25















          2














          This answer is in two parts, to address two possible interpretations of your query about refresh relationships in general.



          Refresh events and ordering from other classes



          Let me try to rewrite what I understand your question to be in more general terms. You are asking:



          Question



          Suppose that Exec resource Y subscribes with refreshonly => true to a resource X in class A. Then suppose that resource Z requires the same resource X in class B.



          In other words, imagine this code:



          class b () 
          notify 'Z':
          require => Notify['X'],



          class a ()
          notify 'X':
          exec 'Y':
          command => '/bin/echo Y',
          refreshonly => true,
          subscribe => Notify['X'],



          include a
          include b


          Is it possible for the final ordering to be X, Z, Y, and if so, will the refresh event definitely reach Exec resource Y, considering that X and Y could be separated by Z in time?



          Answer



          Yes, and yes. Recall that Puppet builds a directed acyclic graph, and it computes the final ordering from traversing that graph. This code leads to two possible orderings in time, X, Y, Z and X, Z, Y (try it a few times using puppet apply /tmp/code.pp --ordering=random).



          But that's ok, because Puppet also tracks a queue of resources that have received a refresh event.



          What if package A is installed as a dependency of package B by the package manager outside of Puppet



          It's also possible that you are asking about RPM or other package-manager-level dependencies that exist outside of Puppet. If so, naturally, Puppet can't know about these.



          If so, yes, the refresh event would not be sent if the package manager (or anything else outside of Puppet) satisfied the subscription.






          share|improve this answer

























          • I saw that option, but if I set reinstall_on_refresh to true, wont it also re-install every time puppet runs?

            – leoOrion
            Nov 14 '18 at 11:43











          • As I mentioned, only if reinstallable is also implemented, and at this time, it's only implemented for provider => portage. If you're on Gentoo, perhaps that's a real issue?

            – Alex Harvey
            Nov 14 '18 at 11:44











          • In your example, classes a and b will be managed by puppet. What I meant was when I do package 'package1': ensure => present in another profile that installs as a dependency package2(this is done using yum in my case and installation of package2 is not known to puppet). Now if I have an exec that subscribes to package2 will it still run?

            – leoOrion
            Nov 14 '18 at 11:49












          • Yes, see the third part.

            – Alex Harvey
            Nov 14 '18 at 11:49






          • 2





            re: the first point: I do not believe the asker is attempting to refresh a package resource, and I do not see an edit history in the question to indicate that. Another super minor point is that you can also enable refreshable with a method in the type that invokes something specific in the provider.

            – Matt Schuchard
            Nov 14 '18 at 13:25













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          2







          This answer is in two parts, to address two possible interpretations of your query about refresh relationships in general.



          Refresh events and ordering from other classes



          Let me try to rewrite what I understand your question to be in more general terms. You are asking:



          Question



          Suppose that Exec resource Y subscribes with refreshonly => true to a resource X in class A. Then suppose that resource Z requires the same resource X in class B.



          In other words, imagine this code:



          class b () 
          notify 'Z':
          require => Notify['X'],



          class a ()
          notify 'X':
          exec 'Y':
          command => '/bin/echo Y',
          refreshonly => true,
          subscribe => Notify['X'],



          include a
          include b


          Is it possible for the final ordering to be X, Z, Y, and if so, will the refresh event definitely reach Exec resource Y, considering that X and Y could be separated by Z in time?



          Answer



          Yes, and yes. Recall that Puppet builds a directed acyclic graph, and it computes the final ordering from traversing that graph. This code leads to two possible orderings in time, X, Y, Z and X, Z, Y (try it a few times using puppet apply /tmp/code.pp --ordering=random).



          But that's ok, because Puppet also tracks a queue of resources that have received a refresh event.



          What if package A is installed as a dependency of package B by the package manager outside of Puppet



          It's also possible that you are asking about RPM or other package-manager-level dependencies that exist outside of Puppet. If so, naturally, Puppet can't know about these.



          If so, yes, the refresh event would not be sent if the package manager (or anything else outside of Puppet) satisfied the subscription.






          share|improve this answer















          This answer is in two parts, to address two possible interpretations of your query about refresh relationships in general.



          Refresh events and ordering from other classes



          Let me try to rewrite what I understand your question to be in more general terms. You are asking:



          Question



          Suppose that Exec resource Y subscribes with refreshonly => true to a resource X in class A. Then suppose that resource Z requires the same resource X in class B.



          In other words, imagine this code:



          class b () 
          notify 'Z':
          require => Notify['X'],



          class a ()
          notify 'X':
          exec 'Y':
          command => '/bin/echo Y',
          refreshonly => true,
          subscribe => Notify['X'],



          include a
          include b


          Is it possible for the final ordering to be X, Z, Y, and if so, will the refresh event definitely reach Exec resource Y, considering that X and Y could be separated by Z in time?



          Answer



          Yes, and yes. Recall that Puppet builds a directed acyclic graph, and it computes the final ordering from traversing that graph. This code leads to two possible orderings in time, X, Y, Z and X, Z, Y (try it a few times using puppet apply /tmp/code.pp --ordering=random).



          But that's ok, because Puppet also tracks a queue of resources that have received a refresh event.



          What if package A is installed as a dependency of package B by the package manager outside of Puppet



          It's also possible that you are asking about RPM or other package-manager-level dependencies that exist outside of Puppet. If so, naturally, Puppet can't know about these.



          If so, yes, the refresh event would not be sent if the package manager (or anything else outside of Puppet) satisfied the subscription.







          share|improve this answer














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          answered Nov 14 '18 at 9:24









          Alex HarveyAlex Harvey

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          • I saw that option, but if I set reinstall_on_refresh to true, wont it also re-install every time puppet runs?

            – leoOrion
            Nov 14 '18 at 11:43











          • As I mentioned, only if reinstallable is also implemented, and at this time, it's only implemented for provider => portage. If you're on Gentoo, perhaps that's a real issue?

            – Alex Harvey
            Nov 14 '18 at 11:44











          • In your example, classes a and b will be managed by puppet. What I meant was when I do package 'package1': ensure => present in another profile that installs as a dependency package2(this is done using yum in my case and installation of package2 is not known to puppet). Now if I have an exec that subscribes to package2 will it still run?

            – leoOrion
            Nov 14 '18 at 11:49












          • Yes, see the third part.

            – Alex Harvey
            Nov 14 '18 at 11:49






          • 2





            re: the first point: I do not believe the asker is attempting to refresh a package resource, and I do not see an edit history in the question to indicate that. Another super minor point is that you can also enable refreshable with a method in the type that invokes something specific in the provider.

            – Matt Schuchard
            Nov 14 '18 at 13:25

















          • I saw that option, but if I set reinstall_on_refresh to true, wont it also re-install every time puppet runs?

            – leoOrion
            Nov 14 '18 at 11:43











          • As I mentioned, only if reinstallable is also implemented, and at this time, it's only implemented for provider => portage. If you're on Gentoo, perhaps that's a real issue?

            – Alex Harvey
            Nov 14 '18 at 11:44











          • In your example, classes a and b will be managed by puppet. What I meant was when I do package 'package1': ensure => present in another profile that installs as a dependency package2(this is done using yum in my case and installation of package2 is not known to puppet). Now if I have an exec that subscribes to package2 will it still run?

            – leoOrion
            Nov 14 '18 at 11:49












          • Yes, see the third part.

            – Alex Harvey
            Nov 14 '18 at 11:49






          • 2





            re: the first point: I do not believe the asker is attempting to refresh a package resource, and I do not see an edit history in the question to indicate that. Another super minor point is that you can also enable refreshable with a method in the type that invokes something specific in the provider.

            – Matt Schuchard
            Nov 14 '18 at 13:25
















          I saw that option, but if I set reinstall_on_refresh to true, wont it also re-install every time puppet runs?

          – leoOrion
          Nov 14 '18 at 11:43





          I saw that option, but if I set reinstall_on_refresh to true, wont it also re-install every time puppet runs?

          – leoOrion
          Nov 14 '18 at 11:43













          As I mentioned, only if reinstallable is also implemented, and at this time, it's only implemented for provider => portage. If you're on Gentoo, perhaps that's a real issue?

          – Alex Harvey
          Nov 14 '18 at 11:44





          As I mentioned, only if reinstallable is also implemented, and at this time, it's only implemented for provider => portage. If you're on Gentoo, perhaps that's a real issue?

          – Alex Harvey
          Nov 14 '18 at 11:44













          In your example, classes a and b will be managed by puppet. What I meant was when I do package 'package1': ensure => present in another profile that installs as a dependency package2(this is done using yum in my case and installation of package2 is not known to puppet). Now if I have an exec that subscribes to package2 will it still run?

          – leoOrion
          Nov 14 '18 at 11:49






          In your example, classes a and b will be managed by puppet. What I meant was when I do package 'package1': ensure => present in another profile that installs as a dependency package2(this is done using yum in my case and installation of package2 is not known to puppet). Now if I have an exec that subscribes to package2 will it still run?

          – leoOrion
          Nov 14 '18 at 11:49














          Yes, see the third part.

          – Alex Harvey
          Nov 14 '18 at 11:49





          Yes, see the third part.

          – Alex Harvey
          Nov 14 '18 at 11:49




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          2





          re: the first point: I do not believe the asker is attempting to refresh a package resource, and I do not see an edit history in the question to indicate that. Another super minor point is that you can also enable refreshable with a method in the type that invokes something specific in the provider.

          – Matt Schuchard
          Nov 14 '18 at 13:25





          re: the first point: I do not believe the asker is attempting to refresh a package resource, and I do not see an edit history in the question to indicate that. Another super minor point is that you can also enable refreshable with a method in the type that invokes something specific in the provider.

          – Matt Schuchard
          Nov 14 '18 at 13:25



















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