Schengen visa refusal on threat to public policy, security, health
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I applied for German Schengen visa as a medical escort to my relative in a different country from where I reside, but my visa application was refused and the refusal letter was written in German as the following:
- Ein oder mehrere Mitgliedstaaten sind der Auffassung, dass Sie eine Gefahr für die öffentliche Ordnung, die innere Sicherheit, die
öffentliche Gesundheit gemäß Artikel 2 Absatz 19 der Verordnung (EG)
Nr 562/2006 (Schengener Grenzkodex) oder die internationalen
Beziehungen eines oder mehrerer Mitgliedstaaten darstellen.
I was in Germany for nearly a year with my relative during his treatment; I extended my stay there 3 times; and I returned back home two months ago in order to renew my passport. I applied again using the same documents that I used for my extension in Germany.
First, can anyone tell me what the refusal means? Next, is there any possibility that there is a mistake in the assessment?
Note: In English this reason is...
One or more member state(s) consider you to be a threat to public
policy, internal security, public health as defined in Article 2(19)
of Regulation (EC) No 562/2006 (Schengen Borders Code) or the
international relations of one or more of the member states).
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I applied for German Schengen visa as a medical escort to my relative in a different country from where I reside, but my visa application was refused and the refusal letter was written in German as the following:
- Ein oder mehrere Mitgliedstaaten sind der Auffassung, dass Sie eine Gefahr für die öffentliche Ordnung, die innere Sicherheit, die
öffentliche Gesundheit gemäß Artikel 2 Absatz 19 der Verordnung (EG)
Nr 562/2006 (Schengener Grenzkodex) oder die internationalen
Beziehungen eines oder mehrerer Mitgliedstaaten darstellen.
I was in Germany for nearly a year with my relative during his treatment; I extended my stay there 3 times; and I returned back home two months ago in order to renew my passport. I applied again using the same documents that I used for my extension in Germany.
First, can anyone tell me what the refusal means? Next, is there any possibility that there is a mistake in the assessment?
Note: In English this reason is...
One or more member state(s) consider you to be a threat to public
policy, internal security, public health as defined in Article 2(19)
of Regulation (EC) No 562/2006 (Schengen Borders Code) or the
international relations of one or more of the member states).
visas schengen germany visa-refusals
edited Jul 2 '17 at 10:53
Gayot Fow
76.1k23200382
asked Oct 18 '15 at 19:18
NadrineNadrine
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This is translated as: "6. One or more Member State(s) consider you to be a threat to public policy, internal security, public health as defined in Article 2(19) of Regulation (EC) No 562/2006 (Schengen Borders Code) or the international relations of one or more of the Member States."
– Michael Hampton
Oct 18 '15 at 19:33
4
Are you quite certain that this box was ticked? Did you receive any additional information with your refusal? If so, please provide it. Do you know of anything in your personal circumstances which may have caused such a refusal? If so, please describe those circumstances, and someone may be able to help you.
– Michael Hampton
Oct 18 '15 at 19:35
2
Yes this box was ticked and I didn't receive any further information. I don't have any personal circumstances, I am a lecturer at the University and I was a postgraduate student in on of the top Universities in UK , I usually visit Europe as a medical escort to my parents or a tourist and I respected the law of every country I visited an I've never ever faced any problems with the authorities in any country.
– Nadrine
Oct 18 '15 at 20:42
2
Mistaken identity?
– Andrew Lazarus
Oct 19 '15 at 2:34
Have you been deported or banned or questioned at the border by other EU member states, other than Germany?
– pbu
Apr 15 '16 at 20:03
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I applied for German Schengen visa as a medical escort to my relative in a different country from where I reside, but my visa application was refused and the refusal letter was written in German as the following:
- Ein oder mehrere Mitgliedstaaten sind der Auffassung, dass Sie eine Gefahr für die öffentliche Ordnung, die innere Sicherheit, die
öffentliche Gesundheit gemäß Artikel 2 Absatz 19 der Verordnung (EG)
Nr 562/2006 (Schengener Grenzkodex) oder die internationalen
Beziehungen eines oder mehrerer Mitgliedstaaten darstellen.
I was in Germany for nearly a year with my relative during his treatment; I extended my stay there 3 times; and I returned back home two months ago in order to renew my passport. I applied again using the same documents that I used for my extension in Germany.
First, can anyone tell me what the refusal means? Next, is there any possibility that there is a mistake in the assessment?
Note: In English this reason is...
One or more member state(s) consider you to be a threat to public
policy, internal security, public health as defined in Article 2(19)
of Regulation (EC) No 562/2006 (Schengen Borders Code) or the
international relations of one or more of the member states).
visas schengen germany visa-refusals
edited Jul 2 '17 at 10:53
Gayot Fow
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asked Oct 18 '15 at 19:18
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I applied for German Schengen visa as a medical escort to my relative in a different country from where I reside, but my visa application was refused and the refusal letter was written in German as the following:
- Ein oder mehrere Mitgliedstaaten sind der Auffassung, dass Sie eine Gefahr für die öffentliche Ordnung, die innere Sicherheit, die
öffentliche Gesundheit gemäß Artikel 2 Absatz 19 der Verordnung (EG)
Nr 562/2006 (Schengener Grenzkodex) oder die internationalen
Beziehungen eines oder mehrerer Mitgliedstaaten darstellen.
I was in Germany for nearly a year with my relative during his treatment; I extended my stay there 3 times; and I returned back home two months ago in order to renew my passport. I applied again using the same documents that I used for my extension in Germany.
First, can anyone tell me what the refusal means? Next, is there any possibility that there is a mistake in the assessment?
Note: In English this reason is...
One or more member state(s) consider you to be a threat to public
policy, internal security, public health as defined in Article 2(19)
of Regulation (EC) No 562/2006 (Schengen Borders Code) or the
international relations of one or more of the member states).
visas schengen germany visa-refusals
visas schengen germany visa-refusals
edited Jul 2 '17 at 10:53
Gayot Fow
76.1k23200382
asked Oct 18 '15 at 19:18
NadrineNadrine
10113
edited Jul 2 '17 at 10:53
Gayot Fow
76.1k23200382
asked Oct 18 '15 at 19:18
NadrineNadrine
10113
edited Jul 2 '17 at 10:53
Gayot Fow
76.1k23200382
edited Jul 2 '17 at 10:53
Gayot Fow
76.1k23200382
edited Jul 2 '17 at 10:53
Gayot Fow
76.1k23200382
76.1k23200382
asked Oct 18 '15 at 19:18
NadrineNadrine
10113
asked Oct 18 '15 at 19:18
NadrineNadrine
10113
asked Oct 18 '15 at 19:18
NadrineNadrine
10113
10113
4
This is translated as: "6. One or more Member State(s) consider you to be a threat to public policy, internal security, public health as defined in Article 2(19) of Regulation (EC) No 562/2006 (Schengen Borders Code) or the international relations of one or more of the Member States."
– Michael Hampton
Oct 18 '15 at 19:33
4
Are you quite certain that this box was ticked? Did you receive any additional information with your refusal? If so, please provide it. Do you know of anything in your personal circumstances which may have caused such a refusal? If so, please describe those circumstances, and someone may be able to help you.
– Michael Hampton
Oct 18 '15 at 19:35
2
Yes this box was ticked and I didn't receive any further information. I don't have any personal circumstances, I am a lecturer at the University and I was a postgraduate student in on of the top Universities in UK , I usually visit Europe as a medical escort to my parents or a tourist and I respected the law of every country I visited an I've never ever faced any problems with the authorities in any country.
– Nadrine
Oct 18 '15 at 20:42
2
Mistaken identity?
– Andrew Lazarus
Oct 19 '15 at 2:34
Have you been deported or banned or questioned at the border by other EU member states, other than Germany?
– pbu
Apr 15 '16 at 20:03
|
show 1 more comment
4
This is translated as: "6. One or more Member State(s) consider you to be a threat to public policy, internal security, public health as defined in Article 2(19) of Regulation (EC) No 562/2006 (Schengen Borders Code) or the international relations of one or more of the Member States."
– Michael Hampton
Oct 18 '15 at 19:33
4
Are you quite certain that this box was ticked? Did you receive any additional information with your refusal? If so, please provide it. Do you know of anything in your personal circumstances which may have caused such a refusal? If so, please describe those circumstances, and someone may be able to help you.
– Michael Hampton
Oct 18 '15 at 19:35
2
Yes this box was ticked and I didn't receive any further information. I don't have any personal circumstances, I am a lecturer at the University and I was a postgraduate student in on of the top Universities in UK , I usually visit Europe as a medical escort to my parents or a tourist and I respected the law of every country I visited an I've never ever faced any problems with the authorities in any country.
– Nadrine
Oct 18 '15 at 20:42
2
Mistaken identity?
– Andrew Lazarus
Oct 19 '15 at 2:34
Have you been deported or banned or questioned at the border by other EU member states, other than Germany?
– pbu
Apr 15 '16 at 20:03
4
4
This is translated as: "6. One or more Member State(s) consider you to be a threat to public policy, internal security, public health as defined in Article 2(19) of Regulation (EC) No 562/2006 (Schengen Borders Code) or the international relations of one or more of the Member States."
– Michael Hampton
Oct 18 '15 at 19:33
This is translated as: "6. One or more Member State(s) consider you to be a threat to public policy, internal security, public health as defined in Article 2(19) of Regulation (EC) No 562/2006 (Schengen Borders Code) or the international relations of one or more of the Member States."
– Michael Hampton
Oct 18 '15 at 19:33
4
4
Are you quite certain that this box was ticked? Did you receive any additional information with your refusal? If so, please provide it. Do you know of anything in your personal circumstances which may have caused such a refusal? If so, please describe those circumstances, and someone may be able to help you.
– Michael Hampton
Oct 18 '15 at 19:35
Are you quite certain that this box was ticked? Did you receive any additional information with your refusal? If so, please provide it. Do you know of anything in your personal circumstances which may have caused such a refusal? If so, please describe those circumstances, and someone may be able to help you.
– Michael Hampton
Oct 18 '15 at 19:35
2
2
Yes this box was ticked and I didn't receive any further information. I don't have any personal circumstances, I am a lecturer at the University and I was a postgraduate student in on of the top Universities in UK , I usually visit Europe as a medical escort to my parents or a tourist and I respected the law of every country I visited an I've never ever faced any problems with the authorities in any country.
– Nadrine
Oct 18 '15 at 20:42
Yes this box was ticked and I didn't receive any further information. I don't have any personal circumstances, I am a lecturer at the University and I was a postgraduate student in on of the top Universities in UK , I usually visit Europe as a medical escort to my parents or a tourist and I respected the law of every country I visited an I've never ever faced any problems with the authorities in any country.
– Nadrine
Oct 18 '15 at 20:42
2
2
Mistaken identity?
– Andrew Lazarus
Oct 19 '15 at 2:34
Mistaken identity?
– Andrew Lazarus
Oct 19 '15 at 2:34
Have you been deported or banned or questioned at the border by other EU member states, other than Germany?
– pbu
Apr 15 '16 at 20:03
Have you been deported or banned or questioned at the border by other EU member states, other than Germany?
– pbu
Apr 15 '16 at 20:03
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Refusal on these grounds...
One or more member state(s) consider you to be a threat to public
policy, internal security, public health as defined in Article 2(19)
of Regulation (EC) No 562/2006 (Schengen Borders Code) or the
international relations of one or more of the member states).
...means you will require a law practitioner with a specialty in EU law. It is a waste of time to solicit advice from the internet because the answers will fall into one of four categories...
- Get a lawyer
- Do something stupid (forged passport or covert entry)
- Rants from jingos telling you and your kind to stay where you are
- Incoherent drivel from random morons
People who have become listed as threats to the zone's security have backstories that require lengthy discourse with a specialist and there are no other viable alternatives. The same rationale goes for questions about appealing the decision. Attempting an appeal on this reason is perilous and moreover risks having all your stuff entered into the public domain! See a qualified practitioner!
The practitioner is needed even if the time window for an appeal has elapsed. There are data protection laws and freedom of information laws that require local expertise to navigate successfully. "Clearing your name" is not a simple job.
Related answer: Schengen Visa Refusal: Justification for the purpose and conditions of the intended stay was not reliable
NOTE: In order to preempt the natural corollary, let's add that...
- The consulate has already told the Department of Homeland Security in
the USA that you are trying to mobilize; - The consulate has already told the other Schengen members about it;
- The consulate has informed its colonial missions abroad; and
- The consulate has informed the UK that you are attempting to mobilize
and the UK has in turn informed the Republic of Ireland and the
Commonwealth members to put a stop flag on your passport.
.
Update 21 April 2016
Questions from phoog (to whom thanks) about the possibility of this refusal arising from mistaken identity prompted an exchange of email with a specialist. The result being that this reason ("One or more member state(s) consider you to be a threat to public policy...") means they got a biometrics hit or some other conclusively positive match. It's not like the American no-fly list where people with the same names generate confusion. Instead it means that person (and nobody else) is in trouble and it's not going to get fixed in the near term. Hence the above answer still applies. I am taking the advanced law course in Schengen this summer and may add another update to this answer after that.
Also note that if they cannot get a positive, verifiable match they will not use this reason; instead they will use Schengen Visa Refusal: Justification for the purpose and conditions of the intended stay was not reliable
Related article on requesting your transcript from the Schengen Information System: How can I find out if someone is in the Schengen Information System (SIS)? Note: even if you find erroneous information in your transcript, you'll still need a skillful practitioner to get it officially removed and restored to its original state.
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answered Apr 15 '16 at 15:19
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Any reasons that you could think of that would cause refusals like these, they look pretty extreme.
– nikhil
Apr 15 '16 at 15:35
2
Suppose the person has been refused on these grounds because of a case of mistaken identity. (The linked question was asked by an "Abdullah Khan"; this must be a fairly common name.) Are the services of a lawyer also necessary in such a case, to correct the mistaken identification of the traveler? I mean, in this case, the back story is not so complicated, is it?
– phoog
Apr 15 '16 at 17:34
3
@phoog Generally, people are positively identified by the three data points name, birth date and birth place. One of the big sources of confusion here is when names in non-Latin scripts are transliterated. So, mistaken identity is certainly possible, but you still really need the solicitor to sort it out.
– Michael Hampton
Jun 29 '16 at 0:25
4
The bit about biometrics is demonstrably false, warnings regarding ”threats to public policy, etc.” have been part of the system and used for more than a decade, biometrics have just been rolled out systematically in the last few years. Even with biometrics on file for all visa holders, they are not kept forever and won't be available for everyone a member state might deem dangerous. Warnings are certainly not restricted to that, legally or practically. The lengthy introduction and the Q&A style makes this answer too rambling, -1 from me until it's cleaned up to focus on the useful parts.
– Relaxed
Jul 2 '17 at 13:18
2
@CarstenS yes, almost all of this answer was taken from course material or questions raised by the other students. I am sure that this answer is up-to-date and accurate as of autumn 2016.
– Gayot Fow
Jul 2 '17 at 13:58
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Refusal on these grounds...
One or more member state(s) consider you to be a threat to public
policy, internal security, public health as defined in Article 2(19)
of Regulation (EC) No 562/2006 (Schengen Borders Code) or the
international relations of one or more of the member states).
...means you will require a law practitioner with a specialty in EU law. It is a waste of time to solicit advice from the internet because the answers will fall into one of four categories...
- Get a lawyer
- Do something stupid (forged passport or covert entry)
- Rants from jingos telling you and your kind to stay where you are
- Incoherent drivel from random morons
People who have become listed as threats to the zone's security have backstories that require lengthy discourse with a specialist and there are no other viable alternatives. The same rationale goes for questions about appealing the decision. Attempting an appeal on this reason is perilous and moreover risks having all your stuff entered into the public domain! See a qualified practitioner!
The practitioner is needed even if the time window for an appeal has elapsed. There are data protection laws and freedom of information laws that require local expertise to navigate successfully. "Clearing your name" is not a simple job.
Related answer: Schengen Visa Refusal: Justification for the purpose and conditions of the intended stay was not reliable
NOTE: In order to preempt the natural corollary, let's add that...
- The consulate has already told the Department of Homeland Security in
the USA that you are trying to mobilize; - The consulate has already told the other Schengen members about it;
- The consulate has informed its colonial missions abroad; and
- The consulate has informed the UK that you are attempting to mobilize
and the UK has in turn informed the Republic of Ireland and the
Commonwealth members to put a stop flag on your passport.
.
Update 21 April 2016
Questions from phoog (to whom thanks) about the possibility of this refusal arising from mistaken identity prompted an exchange of email with a specialist. The result being that this reason ("One or more member state(s) consider you to be a threat to public policy...") means they got a biometrics hit or some other conclusively positive match. It's not like the American no-fly list where people with the same names generate confusion. Instead it means that person (and nobody else) is in trouble and it's not going to get fixed in the near term. Hence the above answer still applies. I am taking the advanced law course in Schengen this summer and may add another update to this answer after that.
Also note that if they cannot get a positive, verifiable match they will not use this reason; instead they will use Schengen Visa Refusal: Justification for the purpose and conditions of the intended stay was not reliable
Related article on requesting your transcript from the Schengen Information System: How can I find out if someone is in the Schengen Information System (SIS)? Note: even if you find erroneous information in your transcript, you'll still need a skillful practitioner to get it officially removed and restored to its original state.
edited Apr 13 '17 at 12:52
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answered Apr 15 '16 at 15:19
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Any reasons that you could think of that would cause refusals like these, they look pretty extreme.
– nikhil
Apr 15 '16 at 15:35
2
Suppose the person has been refused on these grounds because of a case of mistaken identity. (The linked question was asked by an "Abdullah Khan"; this must be a fairly common name.) Are the services of a lawyer also necessary in such a case, to correct the mistaken identification of the traveler? I mean, in this case, the back story is not so complicated, is it?
– phoog
Apr 15 '16 at 17:34
3
@phoog Generally, people are positively identified by the three data points name, birth date and birth place. One of the big sources of confusion here is when names in non-Latin scripts are transliterated. So, mistaken identity is certainly possible, but you still really need the solicitor to sort it out.
– Michael Hampton
Jun 29 '16 at 0:25
4
The bit about biometrics is demonstrably false, warnings regarding ”threats to public policy, etc.” have been part of the system and used for more than a decade, biometrics have just been rolled out systematically in the last few years. Even with biometrics on file for all visa holders, they are not kept forever and won't be available for everyone a member state might deem dangerous. Warnings are certainly not restricted to that, legally or practically. The lengthy introduction and the Q&A style makes this answer too rambling, -1 from me until it's cleaned up to focus on the useful parts.
– Relaxed
Jul 2 '17 at 13:18
2
@CarstenS yes, almost all of this answer was taken from course material or questions raised by the other students. I am sure that this answer is up-to-date and accurate as of autumn 2016.
– Gayot Fow
Jul 2 '17 at 13:58
|
show 12 more comments
Refusal on these grounds...
One or more member state(s) consider you to be a threat to public
policy, internal security, public health as defined in Article 2(19)
of Regulation (EC) No 562/2006 (Schengen Borders Code) or the
international relations of one or more of the member states).
...means you will require a law practitioner with a specialty in EU law. It is a waste of time to solicit advice from the internet because the answers will fall into one of four categories...
- Get a lawyer
- Do something stupid (forged passport or covert entry)
- Rants from jingos telling you and your kind to stay where you are
- Incoherent drivel from random morons
People who have become listed as threats to the zone's security have backstories that require lengthy discourse with a specialist and there are no other viable alternatives. The same rationale goes for questions about appealing the decision. Attempting an appeal on this reason is perilous and moreover risks having all your stuff entered into the public domain! See a qualified practitioner!
The practitioner is needed even if the time window for an appeal has elapsed. There are data protection laws and freedom of information laws that require local expertise to navigate successfully. "Clearing your name" is not a simple job.
Related answer: Schengen Visa Refusal: Justification for the purpose and conditions of the intended stay was not reliable
NOTE: In order to preempt the natural corollary, let's add that...
- The consulate has already told the Department of Homeland Security in
the USA that you are trying to mobilize; - The consulate has already told the other Schengen members about it;
- The consulate has informed its colonial missions abroad; and
- The consulate has informed the UK that you are attempting to mobilize
and the UK has in turn informed the Republic of Ireland and the
Commonwealth members to put a stop flag on your passport.
.
Update 21 April 2016
Questions from phoog (to whom thanks) about the possibility of this refusal arising from mistaken identity prompted an exchange of email with a specialist. The result being that this reason ("One or more member state(s) consider you to be a threat to public policy...") means they got a biometrics hit or some other conclusively positive match. It's not like the American no-fly list where people with the same names generate confusion. Instead it means that person (and nobody else) is in trouble and it's not going to get fixed in the near term. Hence the above answer still applies. I am taking the advanced law course in Schengen this summer and may add another update to this answer after that.
Also note that if they cannot get a positive, verifiable match they will not use this reason; instead they will use Schengen Visa Refusal: Justification for the purpose and conditions of the intended stay was not reliable
Related article on requesting your transcript from the Schengen Information System: How can I find out if someone is in the Schengen Information System (SIS)? Note: even if you find erroneous information in your transcript, you'll still need a skillful practitioner to get it officially removed and restored to its original state.
edited Apr 13 '17 at 12:52
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answered Apr 15 '16 at 15:19
Gayot FowGayot Fow
76.1k23200382
1
Any reasons that you could think of that would cause refusals like these, they look pretty extreme.
– nikhil
Apr 15 '16 at 15:35
2
Suppose the person has been refused on these grounds because of a case of mistaken identity. (The linked question was asked by an "Abdullah Khan"; this must be a fairly common name.) Are the services of a lawyer also necessary in such a case, to correct the mistaken identification of the traveler? I mean, in this case, the back story is not so complicated, is it?
– phoog
Apr 15 '16 at 17:34
3
@phoog Generally, people are positively identified by the three data points name, birth date and birth place. One of the big sources of confusion here is when names in non-Latin scripts are transliterated. So, mistaken identity is certainly possible, but you still really need the solicitor to sort it out.
– Michael Hampton
Jun 29 '16 at 0:25
4
The bit about biometrics is demonstrably false, warnings regarding ”threats to public policy, etc.” have been part of the system and used for more than a decade, biometrics have just been rolled out systematically in the last few years. Even with biometrics on file for all visa holders, they are not kept forever and won't be available for everyone a member state might deem dangerous. Warnings are certainly not restricted to that, legally or practically. The lengthy introduction and the Q&A style makes this answer too rambling, -1 from me until it's cleaned up to focus on the useful parts.
– Relaxed
Jul 2 '17 at 13:18
2
@CarstenS yes, almost all of this answer was taken from course material or questions raised by the other students. I am sure that this answer is up-to-date and accurate as of autumn 2016.
– Gayot Fow
Jul 2 '17 at 13:58
|
show 12 more comments
Refusal on these grounds...
One or more member state(s) consider you to be a threat to public
policy, internal security, public health as defined in Article 2(19)
of Regulation (EC) No 562/2006 (Schengen Borders Code) or the
international relations of one or more of the member states).
...means you will require a law practitioner with a specialty in EU law. It is a waste of time to solicit advice from the internet because the answers will fall into one of four categories...
- Get a lawyer
- Do something stupid (forged passport or covert entry)
- Rants from jingos telling you and your kind to stay where you are
- Incoherent drivel from random morons
People who have become listed as threats to the zone's security have backstories that require lengthy discourse with a specialist and there are no other viable alternatives. The same rationale goes for questions about appealing the decision. Attempting an appeal on this reason is perilous and moreover risks having all your stuff entered into the public domain! See a qualified practitioner!
The practitioner is needed even if the time window for an appeal has elapsed. There are data protection laws and freedom of information laws that require local expertise to navigate successfully. "Clearing your name" is not a simple job.
Related answer: Schengen Visa Refusal: Justification for the purpose and conditions of the intended stay was not reliable
NOTE: In order to preempt the natural corollary, let's add that...
- The consulate has already told the Department of Homeland Security in
the USA that you are trying to mobilize; - The consulate has already told the other Schengen members about it;
- The consulate has informed its colonial missions abroad; and
- The consulate has informed the UK that you are attempting to mobilize
and the UK has in turn informed the Republic of Ireland and the
Commonwealth members to put a stop flag on your passport.
.
Update 21 April 2016
Questions from phoog (to whom thanks) about the possibility of this refusal arising from mistaken identity prompted an exchange of email with a specialist. The result being that this reason ("One or more member state(s) consider you to be a threat to public policy...") means they got a biometrics hit or some other conclusively positive match. It's not like the American no-fly list where people with the same names generate confusion. Instead it means that person (and nobody else) is in trouble and it's not going to get fixed in the near term. Hence the above answer still applies. I am taking the advanced law course in Schengen this summer and may add another update to this answer after that.
Also note that if they cannot get a positive, verifiable match they will not use this reason; instead they will use Schengen Visa Refusal: Justification for the purpose and conditions of the intended stay was not reliable
Related article on requesting your transcript from the Schengen Information System: How can I find out if someone is in the Schengen Information System (SIS)? Note: even if you find erroneous information in your transcript, you'll still need a skillful practitioner to get it officially removed and restored to its original state.
edited Apr 13 '17 at 12:52
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answered Apr 15 '16 at 15:19
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Refusal on these grounds...
One or more member state(s) consider you to be a threat to public
policy, internal security, public health as defined in Article 2(19)
of Regulation (EC) No 562/2006 (Schengen Borders Code) or the
international relations of one or more of the member states).
...means you will require a law practitioner with a specialty in EU law. It is a waste of time to solicit advice from the internet because the answers will fall into one of four categories...
- Get a lawyer
- Do something stupid (forged passport or covert entry)
- Rants from jingos telling you and your kind to stay where you are
- Incoherent drivel from random morons
People who have become listed as threats to the zone's security have backstories that require lengthy discourse with a specialist and there are no other viable alternatives. The same rationale goes for questions about appealing the decision. Attempting an appeal on this reason is perilous and moreover risks having all your stuff entered into the public domain! See a qualified practitioner!
The practitioner is needed even if the time window for an appeal has elapsed. There are data protection laws and freedom of information laws that require local expertise to navigate successfully. "Clearing your name" is not a simple job.
Related answer: Schengen Visa Refusal: Justification for the purpose and conditions of the intended stay was not reliable
NOTE: In order to preempt the natural corollary, let's add that...
- The consulate has already told the Department of Homeland Security in
the USA that you are trying to mobilize; - The consulate has already told the other Schengen members about it;
- The consulate has informed its colonial missions abroad; and
- The consulate has informed the UK that you are attempting to mobilize
and the UK has in turn informed the Republic of Ireland and the
Commonwealth members to put a stop flag on your passport.
.
Update 21 April 2016
Questions from phoog (to whom thanks) about the possibility of this refusal arising from mistaken identity prompted an exchange of email with a specialist. The result being that this reason ("One or more member state(s) consider you to be a threat to public policy...") means they got a biometrics hit or some other conclusively positive match. It's not like the American no-fly list where people with the same names generate confusion. Instead it means that person (and nobody else) is in trouble and it's not going to get fixed in the near term. Hence the above answer still applies. I am taking the advanced law course in Schengen this summer and may add another update to this answer after that.
Also note that if they cannot get a positive, verifiable match they will not use this reason; instead they will use Schengen Visa Refusal: Justification for the purpose and conditions of the intended stay was not reliable
Related article on requesting your transcript from the Schengen Information System: How can I find out if someone is in the Schengen Information System (SIS)? Note: even if you find erroneous information in your transcript, you'll still need a skillful practitioner to get it officially removed and restored to its original state.
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Any reasons that you could think of that would cause refusals like these, they look pretty extreme.
– nikhil
Apr 15 '16 at 15:35
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Suppose the person has been refused on these grounds because of a case of mistaken identity. (The linked question was asked by an "Abdullah Khan"; this must be a fairly common name.) Are the services of a lawyer also necessary in such a case, to correct the mistaken identification of the traveler? I mean, in this case, the back story is not so complicated, is it?
– phoog
Apr 15 '16 at 17:34
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@phoog Generally, people are positively identified by the three data points name, birth date and birth place. One of the big sources of confusion here is when names in non-Latin scripts are transliterated. So, mistaken identity is certainly possible, but you still really need the solicitor to sort it out.
– Michael Hampton
Jun 29 '16 at 0:25
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The bit about biometrics is demonstrably false, warnings regarding ”threats to public policy, etc.” have been part of the system and used for more than a decade, biometrics have just been rolled out systematically in the last few years. Even with biometrics on file for all visa holders, they are not kept forever and won't be available for everyone a member state might deem dangerous. Warnings are certainly not restricted to that, legally or practically. The lengthy introduction and the Q&A style makes this answer too rambling, -1 from me until it's cleaned up to focus on the useful parts.
– Relaxed
Jul 2 '17 at 13:18
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@CarstenS yes, almost all of this answer was taken from course material or questions raised by the other students. I am sure that this answer is up-to-date and accurate as of autumn 2016.
– Gayot Fow
Jul 2 '17 at 13:58
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Any reasons that you could think of that would cause refusals like these, they look pretty extreme.
– nikhil
Apr 15 '16 at 15:35
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Suppose the person has been refused on these grounds because of a case of mistaken identity. (The linked question was asked by an "Abdullah Khan"; this must be a fairly common name.) Are the services of a lawyer also necessary in such a case, to correct the mistaken identification of the traveler? I mean, in this case, the back story is not so complicated, is it?
– phoog
Apr 15 '16 at 17:34
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@phoog Generally, people are positively identified by the three data points name, birth date and birth place. One of the big sources of confusion here is when names in non-Latin scripts are transliterated. So, mistaken identity is certainly possible, but you still really need the solicitor to sort it out.
– Michael Hampton
Jun 29 '16 at 0:25
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The bit about biometrics is demonstrably false, warnings regarding ”threats to public policy, etc.” have been part of the system and used for more than a decade, biometrics have just been rolled out systematically in the last few years. Even with biometrics on file for all visa holders, they are not kept forever and won't be available for everyone a member state might deem dangerous. Warnings are certainly not restricted to that, legally or practically. The lengthy introduction and the Q&A style makes this answer too rambling, -1 from me until it's cleaned up to focus on the useful parts.
– Relaxed
Jul 2 '17 at 13:18
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@CarstenS yes, almost all of this answer was taken from course material or questions raised by the other students. I am sure that this answer is up-to-date and accurate as of autumn 2016.
– Gayot Fow
Jul 2 '17 at 13:58
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Any reasons that you could think of that would cause refusals like these, they look pretty extreme.
– nikhil
Apr 15 '16 at 15:35
Any reasons that you could think of that would cause refusals like these, they look pretty extreme.
– nikhil
Apr 15 '16 at 15:35
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Suppose the person has been refused on these grounds because of a case of mistaken identity. (The linked question was asked by an "Abdullah Khan"; this must be a fairly common name.) Are the services of a lawyer also necessary in such a case, to correct the mistaken identification of the traveler? I mean, in this case, the back story is not so complicated, is it?
– phoog
Apr 15 '16 at 17:34
Suppose the person has been refused on these grounds because of a case of mistaken identity. (The linked question was asked by an "Abdullah Khan"; this must be a fairly common name.) Are the services of a lawyer also necessary in such a case, to correct the mistaken identification of the traveler? I mean, in this case, the back story is not so complicated, is it?
– phoog
Apr 15 '16 at 17:34
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@phoog Generally, people are positively identified by the three data points name, birth date and birth place. One of the big sources of confusion here is when names in non-Latin scripts are transliterated. So, mistaken identity is certainly possible, but you still really need the solicitor to sort it out.
– Michael Hampton
Jun 29 '16 at 0:25
@phoog Generally, people are positively identified by the three data points name, birth date and birth place. One of the big sources of confusion here is when names in non-Latin scripts are transliterated. So, mistaken identity is certainly possible, but you still really need the solicitor to sort it out.
– Michael Hampton
Jun 29 '16 at 0:25
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The bit about biometrics is demonstrably false, warnings regarding ”threats to public policy, etc.” have been part of the system and used for more than a decade, biometrics have just been rolled out systematically in the last few years. Even with biometrics on file for all visa holders, they are not kept forever and won't be available for everyone a member state might deem dangerous. Warnings are certainly not restricted to that, legally or practically. The lengthy introduction and the Q&A style makes this answer too rambling, -1 from me until it's cleaned up to focus on the useful parts.
– Relaxed
Jul 2 '17 at 13:18
The bit about biometrics is demonstrably false, warnings regarding ”threats to public policy, etc.” have been part of the system and used for more than a decade, biometrics have just been rolled out systematically in the last few years. Even with biometrics on file for all visa holders, they are not kept forever and won't be available for everyone a member state might deem dangerous. Warnings are certainly not restricted to that, legally or practically. The lengthy introduction and the Q&A style makes this answer too rambling, -1 from me until it's cleaned up to focus on the useful parts.
– Relaxed
Jul 2 '17 at 13:18
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@CarstenS yes, almost all of this answer was taken from course material or questions raised by the other students. I am sure that this answer is up-to-date and accurate as of autumn 2016.
– Gayot Fow
Jul 2 '17 at 13:58
@CarstenS yes, almost all of this answer was taken from course material or questions raised by the other students. I am sure that this answer is up-to-date and accurate as of autumn 2016.
– Gayot Fow
Jul 2 '17 at 13:58
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This is translated as: "6. One or more Member State(s) consider you to be a threat to public policy, internal security, public health as defined in Article 2(19) of Regulation (EC) No 562/2006 (Schengen Borders Code) or the international relations of one or more of the Member States."
– Michael Hampton
Oct 18 '15 at 19:33
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Are you quite certain that this box was ticked? Did you receive any additional information with your refusal? If so, please provide it. Do you know of anything in your personal circumstances which may have caused such a refusal? If so, please describe those circumstances, and someone may be able to help you.
– Michael Hampton
Oct 18 '15 at 19:35
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Yes this box was ticked and I didn't receive any further information. I don't have any personal circumstances, I am a lecturer at the University and I was a postgraduate student in on of the top Universities in UK , I usually visit Europe as a medical escort to my parents or a tourist and I respected the law of every country I visited an I've never ever faced any problems with the authorities in any country.
– Nadrine
Oct 18 '15 at 20:42
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Mistaken identity?
– Andrew Lazarus
Oct 19 '15 at 2:34
Have you been deported or banned or questioned at the border by other EU member states, other than Germany?
– pbu
Apr 15 '16 at 20:03