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On a recent inner-European flight that was almost or completely booked, many of the passengers brought the typical trolley suitcases that are increasingly used as hand luggage, presumably (based upon visual judgement) within allowable size limits as hand luggage1. The overhead compartments were completely filled, and I witnessed how cabin staff asked various of the passengers who were still looking for a space for their trolleys towards the end of the boarding phase to store their trolleys in front of their seats like this:



sketch of trolley between two plane seats



No other storage space was available at that point according to staff.



Needless to say, this removed most of the legroom the respective passengers had (depending on shoe size, maybe forcing them to invade their neighbour's legroom), made the part of the legroom below the seat in front of them inaccessible, and (probably most importantly) also made accessing the life vest impossible.



This made me wonder: At this stage of boarding, i.e. all passengers have left the terminal, most are in the cabin, or the doors have even already been closed - is there anything that can be done about hand-luggage for which no space is left?



Please note that I do not consider this a list question. I expect there to be either a very small set of options that would generally apply, or just the statement that it entirely depends on the airline, location, etc. (which would be a valuable answer in itself, too).



As a last detail, the plane was a smaller passenger plane, maybe an Airbus 319 or similar. Larger planes might offer more leeway for stowing away things.



1: Roughly like the ones shown in that other question.




EDIT: Seeing some of the answers/comments so far, please do note that I am not asking about the legality of the luggage storing solution that I observed. I am explicitly asking about realistic short-term alternatives when chances are you end up with your carry-on luggage, but without any cabin space for it.










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    Sound like a (serious) breach of regulations, so not likely to be a frequent occurrence. You have not mentioned the likely effect on evacuation times.

    – pnuts
    Jan 2 '17 at 22:21











  • @pnuts: True, although I do note that the cases that I watched were exclusively passengers on window seats, so at least the trolleys should not block anyone during an evacuation.

    – O. R. Mapper
    Jan 3 '17 at 20:12











  • It is the last one off that determines evacuation time - from whichever seat :)

    – pnuts
    Jan 3 '17 at 20:21






  • 1





    @pnuts: Sure, but while the trolleys took more than 50% of the seat width, they were on the wall side and thus not in the way for the passengers sitting on those window seats during a hypothetical evacuation towards the aisle.

    – O. R. Mapper
    Jan 3 '17 at 20:25







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    @pnuts: No, although (due to symmetry) that might have been more comfortable for the respective passengers.

    – O. R. Mapper
    Jan 3 '17 at 20:28















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On a recent inner-European flight that was almost or completely booked, many of the passengers brought the typical trolley suitcases that are increasingly used as hand luggage, presumably (based upon visual judgement) within allowable size limits as hand luggage1. The overhead compartments were completely filled, and I witnessed how cabin staff asked various of the passengers who were still looking for a space for their trolleys towards the end of the boarding phase to store their trolleys in front of their seats like this:



sketch of trolley between two plane seats



No other storage space was available at that point according to staff.



Needless to say, this removed most of the legroom the respective passengers had (depending on shoe size, maybe forcing them to invade their neighbour's legroom), made the part of the legroom below the seat in front of them inaccessible, and (probably most importantly) also made accessing the life vest impossible.



This made me wonder: At this stage of boarding, i.e. all passengers have left the terminal, most are in the cabin, or the doors have even already been closed - is there anything that can be done about hand-luggage for which no space is left?



Please note that I do not consider this a list question. I expect there to be either a very small set of options that would generally apply, or just the statement that it entirely depends on the airline, location, etc. (which would be a valuable answer in itself, too).



As a last detail, the plane was a smaller passenger plane, maybe an Airbus 319 or similar. Larger planes might offer more leeway for stowing away things.



1: Roughly like the ones shown in that other question.




EDIT: Seeing some of the answers/comments so far, please do note that I am not asking about the legality of the luggage storing solution that I observed. I am explicitly asking about realistic short-term alternatives when chances are you end up with your carry-on luggage, but without any cabin space for it.










share|improve this question



















  • 4





    Sound like a (serious) breach of regulations, so not likely to be a frequent occurrence. You have not mentioned the likely effect on evacuation times.

    – pnuts
    Jan 2 '17 at 22:21











  • @pnuts: True, although I do note that the cases that I watched were exclusively passengers on window seats, so at least the trolleys should not block anyone during an evacuation.

    – O. R. Mapper
    Jan 3 '17 at 20:12











  • It is the last one off that determines evacuation time - from whichever seat :)

    – pnuts
    Jan 3 '17 at 20:21






  • 1





    @pnuts: Sure, but while the trolleys took more than 50% of the seat width, they were on the wall side and thus not in the way for the passengers sitting on those window seats during a hypothetical evacuation towards the aisle.

    – O. R. Mapper
    Jan 3 '17 at 20:25







  • 1





    @pnuts: No, although (due to symmetry) that might have been more comfortable for the respective passengers.

    – O. R. Mapper
    Jan 3 '17 at 20:28













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On a recent inner-European flight that was almost or completely booked, many of the passengers brought the typical trolley suitcases that are increasingly used as hand luggage, presumably (based upon visual judgement) within allowable size limits as hand luggage1. The overhead compartments were completely filled, and I witnessed how cabin staff asked various of the passengers who were still looking for a space for their trolleys towards the end of the boarding phase to store their trolleys in front of their seats like this:



sketch of trolley between two plane seats



No other storage space was available at that point according to staff.



Needless to say, this removed most of the legroom the respective passengers had (depending on shoe size, maybe forcing them to invade their neighbour's legroom), made the part of the legroom below the seat in front of them inaccessible, and (probably most importantly) also made accessing the life vest impossible.



This made me wonder: At this stage of boarding, i.e. all passengers have left the terminal, most are in the cabin, or the doors have even already been closed - is there anything that can be done about hand-luggage for which no space is left?



Please note that I do not consider this a list question. I expect there to be either a very small set of options that would generally apply, or just the statement that it entirely depends on the airline, location, etc. (which would be a valuable answer in itself, too).



As a last detail, the plane was a smaller passenger plane, maybe an Airbus 319 or similar. Larger planes might offer more leeway for stowing away things.



1: Roughly like the ones shown in that other question.




EDIT: Seeing some of the answers/comments so far, please do note that I am not asking about the legality of the luggage storing solution that I observed. I am explicitly asking about realistic short-term alternatives when chances are you end up with your carry-on luggage, but without any cabin space for it.










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On a recent inner-European flight that was almost or completely booked, many of the passengers brought the typical trolley suitcases that are increasingly used as hand luggage, presumably (based upon visual judgement) within allowable size limits as hand luggage1. The overhead compartments were completely filled, and I witnessed how cabin staff asked various of the passengers who were still looking for a space for their trolleys towards the end of the boarding phase to store their trolleys in front of their seats like this:



sketch of trolley between two plane seats



No other storage space was available at that point according to staff.



Needless to say, this removed most of the legroom the respective passengers had (depending on shoe size, maybe forcing them to invade their neighbour's legroom), made the part of the legroom below the seat in front of them inaccessible, and (probably most importantly) also made accessing the life vest impossible.



This made me wonder: At this stage of boarding, i.e. all passengers have left the terminal, most are in the cabin, or the doors have even already been closed - is there anything that can be done about hand-luggage for which no space is left?



Please note that I do not consider this a list question. I expect there to be either a very small set of options that would generally apply, or just the statement that it entirely depends on the airline, location, etc. (which would be a valuable answer in itself, too).



As a last detail, the plane was a smaller passenger plane, maybe an Airbus 319 or similar. Larger planes might offer more leeway for stowing away things.



1: Roughly like the ones shown in that other question.




EDIT: Seeing some of the answers/comments so far, please do note that I am not asking about the legality of the luggage storing solution that I observed. I am explicitly asking about realistic short-term alternatives when chances are you end up with your carry-on luggage, but without any cabin space for it.







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    Sound like a (serious) breach of regulations, so not likely to be a frequent occurrence. You have not mentioned the likely effect on evacuation times.

    – pnuts
    Jan 2 '17 at 22:21











  • @pnuts: True, although I do note that the cases that I watched were exclusively passengers on window seats, so at least the trolleys should not block anyone during an evacuation.

    – O. R. Mapper
    Jan 3 '17 at 20:12











  • It is the last one off that determines evacuation time - from whichever seat :)

    – pnuts
    Jan 3 '17 at 20:21






  • 1





    @pnuts: Sure, but while the trolleys took more than 50% of the seat width, they were on the wall side and thus not in the way for the passengers sitting on those window seats during a hypothetical evacuation towards the aisle.

    – O. R. Mapper
    Jan 3 '17 at 20:25







  • 1





    @pnuts: No, although (due to symmetry) that might have been more comfortable for the respective passengers.

    – O. R. Mapper
    Jan 3 '17 at 20:28












  • 4





    Sound like a (serious) breach of regulations, so not likely to be a frequent occurrence. You have not mentioned the likely effect on evacuation times.

    – pnuts
    Jan 2 '17 at 22:21











  • @pnuts: True, although I do note that the cases that I watched were exclusively passengers on window seats, so at least the trolleys should not block anyone during an evacuation.

    – O. R. Mapper
    Jan 3 '17 at 20:12











  • It is the last one off that determines evacuation time - from whichever seat :)

    – pnuts
    Jan 3 '17 at 20:21






  • 1





    @pnuts: Sure, but while the trolleys took more than 50% of the seat width, they were on the wall side and thus not in the way for the passengers sitting on those window seats during a hypothetical evacuation towards the aisle.

    – O. R. Mapper
    Jan 3 '17 at 20:25







  • 1





    @pnuts: No, although (due to symmetry) that might have been more comfortable for the respective passengers.

    – O. R. Mapper
    Jan 3 '17 at 20:28







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Sound like a (serious) breach of regulations, so not likely to be a frequent occurrence. You have not mentioned the likely effect on evacuation times.

– pnuts
Jan 2 '17 at 22:21





Sound like a (serious) breach of regulations, so not likely to be a frequent occurrence. You have not mentioned the likely effect on evacuation times.

– pnuts
Jan 2 '17 at 22:21













@pnuts: True, although I do note that the cases that I watched were exclusively passengers on window seats, so at least the trolleys should not block anyone during an evacuation.

– O. R. Mapper
Jan 3 '17 at 20:12





@pnuts: True, although I do note that the cases that I watched were exclusively passengers on window seats, so at least the trolleys should not block anyone during an evacuation.

– O. R. Mapper
Jan 3 '17 at 20:12













It is the last one off that determines evacuation time - from whichever seat :)

– pnuts
Jan 3 '17 at 20:21





It is the last one off that determines evacuation time - from whichever seat :)

– pnuts
Jan 3 '17 at 20:21




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@pnuts: Sure, but while the trolleys took more than 50% of the seat width, they were on the wall side and thus not in the way for the passengers sitting on those window seats during a hypothetical evacuation towards the aisle.

– O. R. Mapper
Jan 3 '17 at 20:25






@pnuts: Sure, but while the trolleys took more than 50% of the seat width, they were on the wall side and thus not in the way for the passengers sitting on those window seats during a hypothetical evacuation towards the aisle.

– O. R. Mapper
Jan 3 '17 at 20:25





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@pnuts: No, although (due to symmetry) that might have been more comfortable for the respective passengers.

– O. R. Mapper
Jan 3 '17 at 20:28





@pnuts: No, although (due to symmetry) that might have been more comfortable for the respective passengers.

– O. R. Mapper
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Practically speaking, here is what I have seen happen:



  1. Pre-boarding; if the flight is full - people are asked to volunteer bags to be checked-in at the gate.


  2. Pre-boarding; if the flight is full - the gate agent will come around and simply tag people's luggage for gate checking.


  3. If the cabin is full - crew usually will fit luggage in a different class overhead space (if applicable, usually happens in larger aircraft, but I have seen this on a 737 where the business class rows had reserved overhead bin space). For example, if economy gets full, cabin crew will stow luggage in the business class overhead bins.


  4. If all overhead bins are full, and the luggage will not fit under the seat - then it must be stowed as per regulations before takeoff. I have seen on a very full (summertime) flight were after everyone was boarded there were still people standing around with their carry-ons and then the ground crew were brought on board to offload the luggage into the cargo hold. This caused a lovely 45 minute delay as all the bags had to be tagged.


I have honestly, never seen what you have described in the graphic above. Not only is this against the rules (luggage must fit completely under the seat in front, or the overhead bins - it cannot prevent egress in case of emergency evacuation); but "storing" luggage like that does not prevent it from flying around in case of turbulence - ignoring the fact that legroom is pretty much gone and you are going to get very comfortable with your seatmate.



I am actually quite surprised at this and curious to know more details on the airline (was it commercial or private charter?) and the duration of the flight.



I am not sure, but perhaps rules are different for private charter vs. commercial airlines.






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    I think you may have misinterpreted the situation or mis-judged the size of the other passengers items.



    Stowing items under the seat in from of you is allowed and encouraged, so longs as it fits completely under the seat. Your legroom is not really a factor.



    The only time this would not be permitted is if the item extend out so far as to block egress during an evacuation.



    Regardless of the size of aircraft, there is no 'leeway'. The crew should verify all items are under the seat before the aircraft can move.



    If there is indeed no room, any item you have that does not fit under the seat in front of you must be checked or you must deboard the aircraft with all of your belongings.



    No airline will intentionally send gate checked baggage on another flight. They will offload cargo first, but, for clarity, that never happens.






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    • Ok, ok. Who doesn't like me! Really, it's a sign of effectiveness. So, thanks!

      – Johns-305
      Jan 3 '17 at 0:04











    • There is no under the seat storage for the emergency exit rows, is there?

      – pintxo
      Jan 3 '17 at 0:06











    • "Regardless of the size of aircraft, there is no 'leeway'." - by 'leeway', I meant additional internally accessible storage options that are not directly above or under the passenger seats, such as a storage area or internal access to the cargo hold.

      – O. R. Mapper
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    • @O.R.Mapper While there are such compartments, they would not be used for passenger storage. Yes, a 777-300 has more closets than a A319, but these are often used by the crew and storage there would be up to them.

      – Johns-305
      Jan 3 '17 at 0:12






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      @O.R.Mapper You are 100% correct. I choose to believe the crew acted in a professional manner and secured the cabin in compliance with the prevailing rules. I've seen them act over much less. What you describe is so egregious there must be some missing factor, that's all.

      – Johns-305
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    If there is not enough space in the cabin it goes in the hold. If there is not enough space in the hold it goes on a later flight. (The latter is unlikely because other hold luggage may be removed as necessary to make space - "cabin luggage" will have priority.)



    If in the seat wells the airline will be breaching regulations for which it can be in very serious trouble, so is not likely to resort to that solution at all often.






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    • This is not correct. Any excess cabin baggage literally goes down the chute and into the hold. Other checked bags would never be offloaded to accommodate gate checked bags.

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    Practically speaking, here is what I have seen happen:



    1. Pre-boarding; if the flight is full - people are asked to volunteer bags to be checked-in at the gate.


    2. Pre-boarding; if the flight is full - the gate agent will come around and simply tag people's luggage for gate checking.


    3. If the cabin is full - crew usually will fit luggage in a different class overhead space (if applicable, usually happens in larger aircraft, but I have seen this on a 737 where the business class rows had reserved overhead bin space). For example, if economy gets full, cabin crew will stow luggage in the business class overhead bins.


    4. If all overhead bins are full, and the luggage will not fit under the seat - then it must be stowed as per regulations before takeoff. I have seen on a very full (summertime) flight were after everyone was boarded there were still people standing around with their carry-ons and then the ground crew were brought on board to offload the luggage into the cargo hold. This caused a lovely 45 minute delay as all the bags had to be tagged.


    I have honestly, never seen what you have described in the graphic above. Not only is this against the rules (luggage must fit completely under the seat in front, or the overhead bins - it cannot prevent egress in case of emergency evacuation); but "storing" luggage like that does not prevent it from flying around in case of turbulence - ignoring the fact that legroom is pretty much gone and you are going to get very comfortable with your seatmate.



    I am actually quite surprised at this and curious to know more details on the airline (was it commercial or private charter?) and the duration of the flight.



    I am not sure, but perhaps rules are different for private charter vs. commercial airlines.






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      Practically speaking, here is what I have seen happen:



      1. Pre-boarding; if the flight is full - people are asked to volunteer bags to be checked-in at the gate.


      2. Pre-boarding; if the flight is full - the gate agent will come around and simply tag people's luggage for gate checking.


      3. If the cabin is full - crew usually will fit luggage in a different class overhead space (if applicable, usually happens in larger aircraft, but I have seen this on a 737 where the business class rows had reserved overhead bin space). For example, if economy gets full, cabin crew will stow luggage in the business class overhead bins.


      4. If all overhead bins are full, and the luggage will not fit under the seat - then it must be stowed as per regulations before takeoff. I have seen on a very full (summertime) flight were after everyone was boarded there were still people standing around with their carry-ons and then the ground crew were brought on board to offload the luggage into the cargo hold. This caused a lovely 45 minute delay as all the bags had to be tagged.


      I have honestly, never seen what you have described in the graphic above. Not only is this against the rules (luggage must fit completely under the seat in front, or the overhead bins - it cannot prevent egress in case of emergency evacuation); but "storing" luggage like that does not prevent it from flying around in case of turbulence - ignoring the fact that legroom is pretty much gone and you are going to get very comfortable with your seatmate.



      I am actually quite surprised at this and curious to know more details on the airline (was it commercial or private charter?) and the duration of the flight.



      I am not sure, but perhaps rules are different for private charter vs. commercial airlines.






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        Practically speaking, here is what I have seen happen:



        1. Pre-boarding; if the flight is full - people are asked to volunteer bags to be checked-in at the gate.


        2. Pre-boarding; if the flight is full - the gate agent will come around and simply tag people's luggage for gate checking.


        3. If the cabin is full - crew usually will fit luggage in a different class overhead space (if applicable, usually happens in larger aircraft, but I have seen this on a 737 where the business class rows had reserved overhead bin space). For example, if economy gets full, cabin crew will stow luggage in the business class overhead bins.


        4. If all overhead bins are full, and the luggage will not fit under the seat - then it must be stowed as per regulations before takeoff. I have seen on a very full (summertime) flight were after everyone was boarded there were still people standing around with their carry-ons and then the ground crew were brought on board to offload the luggage into the cargo hold. This caused a lovely 45 minute delay as all the bags had to be tagged.


        I have honestly, never seen what you have described in the graphic above. Not only is this against the rules (luggage must fit completely under the seat in front, or the overhead bins - it cannot prevent egress in case of emergency evacuation); but "storing" luggage like that does not prevent it from flying around in case of turbulence - ignoring the fact that legroom is pretty much gone and you are going to get very comfortable with your seatmate.



        I am actually quite surprised at this and curious to know more details on the airline (was it commercial or private charter?) and the duration of the flight.



        I am not sure, but perhaps rules are different for private charter vs. commercial airlines.






        share|improve this answer













        Practically speaking, here is what I have seen happen:



        1. Pre-boarding; if the flight is full - people are asked to volunteer bags to be checked-in at the gate.


        2. Pre-boarding; if the flight is full - the gate agent will come around and simply tag people's luggage for gate checking.


        3. If the cabin is full - crew usually will fit luggage in a different class overhead space (if applicable, usually happens in larger aircraft, but I have seen this on a 737 where the business class rows had reserved overhead bin space). For example, if economy gets full, cabin crew will stow luggage in the business class overhead bins.


        4. If all overhead bins are full, and the luggage will not fit under the seat - then it must be stowed as per regulations before takeoff. I have seen on a very full (summertime) flight were after everyone was boarded there were still people standing around with their carry-ons and then the ground crew were brought on board to offload the luggage into the cargo hold. This caused a lovely 45 minute delay as all the bags had to be tagged.


        I have honestly, never seen what you have described in the graphic above. Not only is this against the rules (luggage must fit completely under the seat in front, or the overhead bins - it cannot prevent egress in case of emergency evacuation); but "storing" luggage like that does not prevent it from flying around in case of turbulence - ignoring the fact that legroom is pretty much gone and you are going to get very comfortable with your seatmate.



        I am actually quite surprised at this and curious to know more details on the airline (was it commercial or private charter?) and the duration of the flight.



        I am not sure, but perhaps rules are different for private charter vs. commercial airlines.







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            I think you may have misinterpreted the situation or mis-judged the size of the other passengers items.



            Stowing items under the seat in from of you is allowed and encouraged, so longs as it fits completely under the seat. Your legroom is not really a factor.



            The only time this would not be permitted is if the item extend out so far as to block egress during an evacuation.



            Regardless of the size of aircraft, there is no 'leeway'. The crew should verify all items are under the seat before the aircraft can move.



            If there is indeed no room, any item you have that does not fit under the seat in front of you must be checked or you must deboard the aircraft with all of your belongings.



            No airline will intentionally send gate checked baggage on another flight. They will offload cargo first, but, for clarity, that never happens.






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            • Ok, ok. Who doesn't like me! Really, it's a sign of effectiveness. So, thanks!

              – Johns-305
              Jan 3 '17 at 0:04











            • There is no under the seat storage for the emergency exit rows, is there?

              – pintxo
              Jan 3 '17 at 0:06











            • "Regardless of the size of aircraft, there is no 'leeway'." - by 'leeway', I meant additional internally accessible storage options that are not directly above or under the passenger seats, such as a storage area or internal access to the cargo hold.

              – O. R. Mapper
              Jan 3 '17 at 0:06











            • @O.R.Mapper While there are such compartments, they would not be used for passenger storage. Yes, a 777-300 has more closets than a A319, but these are often used by the crew and storage there would be up to them.

              – Johns-305
              Jan 3 '17 at 0:12






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              @O.R.Mapper You are 100% correct. I choose to believe the crew acted in a professional manner and secured the cabin in compliance with the prevailing rules. I've seen them act over much less. What you describe is so egregious there must be some missing factor, that's all.

              – Johns-305
              Jan 4 '17 at 0:17















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            I think you may have misinterpreted the situation or mis-judged the size of the other passengers items.



            Stowing items under the seat in from of you is allowed and encouraged, so longs as it fits completely under the seat. Your legroom is not really a factor.



            The only time this would not be permitted is if the item extend out so far as to block egress during an evacuation.



            Regardless of the size of aircraft, there is no 'leeway'. The crew should verify all items are under the seat before the aircraft can move.



            If there is indeed no room, any item you have that does not fit under the seat in front of you must be checked or you must deboard the aircraft with all of your belongings.



            No airline will intentionally send gate checked baggage on another flight. They will offload cargo first, but, for clarity, that never happens.






            share|improve this answer























            • Ok, ok. Who doesn't like me! Really, it's a sign of effectiveness. So, thanks!

              – Johns-305
              Jan 3 '17 at 0:04











            • There is no under the seat storage for the emergency exit rows, is there?

              – pintxo
              Jan 3 '17 at 0:06











            • "Regardless of the size of aircraft, there is no 'leeway'." - by 'leeway', I meant additional internally accessible storage options that are not directly above or under the passenger seats, such as a storage area or internal access to the cargo hold.

              – O. R. Mapper
              Jan 3 '17 at 0:06











            • @O.R.Mapper While there are such compartments, they would not be used for passenger storage. Yes, a 777-300 has more closets than a A319, but these are often used by the crew and storage there would be up to them.

              – Johns-305
              Jan 3 '17 at 0:12






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              @O.R.Mapper You are 100% correct. I choose to believe the crew acted in a professional manner and secured the cabin in compliance with the prevailing rules. I've seen them act over much less. What you describe is so egregious there must be some missing factor, that's all.

              – Johns-305
              Jan 4 '17 at 0:17













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            I think you may have misinterpreted the situation or mis-judged the size of the other passengers items.



            Stowing items under the seat in from of you is allowed and encouraged, so longs as it fits completely under the seat. Your legroom is not really a factor.



            The only time this would not be permitted is if the item extend out so far as to block egress during an evacuation.



            Regardless of the size of aircraft, there is no 'leeway'. The crew should verify all items are under the seat before the aircraft can move.



            If there is indeed no room, any item you have that does not fit under the seat in front of you must be checked or you must deboard the aircraft with all of your belongings.



            No airline will intentionally send gate checked baggage on another flight. They will offload cargo first, but, for clarity, that never happens.






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            I think you may have misinterpreted the situation or mis-judged the size of the other passengers items.



            Stowing items under the seat in from of you is allowed and encouraged, so longs as it fits completely under the seat. Your legroom is not really a factor.



            The only time this would not be permitted is if the item extend out so far as to block egress during an evacuation.



            Regardless of the size of aircraft, there is no 'leeway'. The crew should verify all items are under the seat before the aircraft can move.



            If there is indeed no room, any item you have that does not fit under the seat in front of you must be checked or you must deboard the aircraft with all of your belongings.



            No airline will intentionally send gate checked baggage on another flight. They will offload cargo first, but, for clarity, that never happens.







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            answered Jan 2 '17 at 23:38









            Johns-305Johns-305

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            • Ok, ok. Who doesn't like me! Really, it's a sign of effectiveness. So, thanks!

              – Johns-305
              Jan 3 '17 at 0:04











            • There is no under the seat storage for the emergency exit rows, is there?

              – pintxo
              Jan 3 '17 at 0:06











            • "Regardless of the size of aircraft, there is no 'leeway'." - by 'leeway', I meant additional internally accessible storage options that are not directly above or under the passenger seats, such as a storage area or internal access to the cargo hold.

              – O. R. Mapper
              Jan 3 '17 at 0:06











            • @O.R.Mapper While there are such compartments, they would not be used for passenger storage. Yes, a 777-300 has more closets than a A319, but these are often used by the crew and storage there would be up to them.

              – Johns-305
              Jan 3 '17 at 0:12






            • 1





              @O.R.Mapper You are 100% correct. I choose to believe the crew acted in a professional manner and secured the cabin in compliance with the prevailing rules. I've seen them act over much less. What you describe is so egregious there must be some missing factor, that's all.

              – Johns-305
              Jan 4 '17 at 0:17

















            • Ok, ok. Who doesn't like me! Really, it's a sign of effectiveness. So, thanks!

              – Johns-305
              Jan 3 '17 at 0:04











            • There is no under the seat storage for the emergency exit rows, is there?

              – pintxo
              Jan 3 '17 at 0:06











            • "Regardless of the size of aircraft, there is no 'leeway'." - by 'leeway', I meant additional internally accessible storage options that are not directly above or under the passenger seats, such as a storage area or internal access to the cargo hold.

              – O. R. Mapper
              Jan 3 '17 at 0:06











            • @O.R.Mapper While there are such compartments, they would not be used for passenger storage. Yes, a 777-300 has more closets than a A319, but these are often used by the crew and storage there would be up to them.

              – Johns-305
              Jan 3 '17 at 0:12






            • 1





              @O.R.Mapper You are 100% correct. I choose to believe the crew acted in a professional manner and secured the cabin in compliance with the prevailing rules. I've seen them act over much less. What you describe is so egregious there must be some missing factor, that's all.

              – Johns-305
              Jan 4 '17 at 0:17
















            Ok, ok. Who doesn't like me! Really, it's a sign of effectiveness. So, thanks!

            – Johns-305
            Jan 3 '17 at 0:04





            Ok, ok. Who doesn't like me! Really, it's a sign of effectiveness. So, thanks!

            – Johns-305
            Jan 3 '17 at 0:04













            There is no under the seat storage for the emergency exit rows, is there?

            – pintxo
            Jan 3 '17 at 0:06





            There is no under the seat storage for the emergency exit rows, is there?

            – pintxo
            Jan 3 '17 at 0:06













            "Regardless of the size of aircraft, there is no 'leeway'." - by 'leeway', I meant additional internally accessible storage options that are not directly above or under the passenger seats, such as a storage area or internal access to the cargo hold.

            – O. R. Mapper
            Jan 3 '17 at 0:06





            "Regardless of the size of aircraft, there is no 'leeway'." - by 'leeway', I meant additional internally accessible storage options that are not directly above or under the passenger seats, such as a storage area or internal access to the cargo hold.

            – O. R. Mapper
            Jan 3 '17 at 0:06













            @O.R.Mapper While there are such compartments, they would not be used for passenger storage. Yes, a 777-300 has more closets than a A319, but these are often used by the crew and storage there would be up to them.

            – Johns-305
            Jan 3 '17 at 0:12





            @O.R.Mapper While there are such compartments, they would not be used for passenger storage. Yes, a 777-300 has more closets than a A319, but these are often used by the crew and storage there would be up to them.

            – Johns-305
            Jan 3 '17 at 0:12




            1




            1





            @O.R.Mapper You are 100% correct. I choose to believe the crew acted in a professional manner and secured the cabin in compliance with the prevailing rules. I've seen them act over much less. What you describe is so egregious there must be some missing factor, that's all.

            – Johns-305
            Jan 4 '17 at 0:17





            @O.R.Mapper You are 100% correct. I choose to believe the crew acted in a professional manner and secured the cabin in compliance with the prevailing rules. I've seen them act over much less. What you describe is so egregious there must be some missing factor, that's all.

            – Johns-305
            Jan 4 '17 at 0:17











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            If there is not enough space in the cabin it goes in the hold. If there is not enough space in the hold it goes on a later flight. (The latter is unlikely because other hold luggage may be removed as necessary to make space - "cabin luggage" will have priority.)



            If in the seat wells the airline will be breaching regulations for which it can be in very serious trouble, so is not likely to resort to that solution at all often.






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            • This is not correct. Any excess cabin baggage literally goes down the chute and into the hold. Other checked bags would never be offloaded to accommodate gate checked bags.

              – Johns-305
              Jan 3 '17 at 0:26















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            If there is not enough space in the cabin it goes in the hold. If there is not enough space in the hold it goes on a later flight. (The latter is unlikely because other hold luggage may be removed as necessary to make space - "cabin luggage" will have priority.)



            If in the seat wells the airline will be breaching regulations for which it can be in very serious trouble, so is not likely to resort to that solution at all often.






            share|improve this answer























            • This is not correct. Any excess cabin baggage literally goes down the chute and into the hold. Other checked bags would never be offloaded to accommodate gate checked bags.

              – Johns-305
              Jan 3 '17 at 0:26













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            3








            3







            If there is not enough space in the cabin it goes in the hold. If there is not enough space in the hold it goes on a later flight. (The latter is unlikely because other hold luggage may be removed as necessary to make space - "cabin luggage" will have priority.)



            If in the seat wells the airline will be breaching regulations for which it can be in very serious trouble, so is not likely to resort to that solution at all often.






            share|improve this answer













            If there is not enough space in the cabin it goes in the hold. If there is not enough space in the hold it goes on a later flight. (The latter is unlikely because other hold luggage may be removed as necessary to make space - "cabin luggage" will have priority.)



            If in the seat wells the airline will be breaching regulations for which it can be in very serious trouble, so is not likely to resort to that solution at all often.







            share|improve this answer












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            answered Jan 2 '17 at 22:34









            pnutspnuts

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            • This is not correct. Any excess cabin baggage literally goes down the chute and into the hold. Other checked bags would never be offloaded to accommodate gate checked bags.

              – Johns-305
              Jan 3 '17 at 0:26

















            • This is not correct. Any excess cabin baggage literally goes down the chute and into the hold. Other checked bags would never be offloaded to accommodate gate checked bags.

              – Johns-305
              Jan 3 '17 at 0:26
















            This is not correct. Any excess cabin baggage literally goes down the chute and into the hold. Other checked bags would never be offloaded to accommodate gate checked bags.

            – Johns-305
            Jan 3 '17 at 0:26





            This is not correct. Any excess cabin baggage literally goes down the chute and into the hold. Other checked bags would never be offloaded to accommodate gate checked bags.

            – Johns-305
            Jan 3 '17 at 0:26

















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