Does an American volunteer through 'HelpX' or 'WorkAway' need a UK visa?










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Does a retired American who wants to volunteer through HelpX or WorkAway in the UK need a volunteer visa?



All I can find are student visas.










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    I believe this question is better suited to the Expatriates stackexchange. I presume you do not want to emigrate, but they are more familiar with these kinds of visa.

    – o.m.
    Feb 20 '16 at 8:30











  • Depending on how long they're planning to stay - the on topic guidance specifically says working while on the go (WWOOFing, volunteer travel etc)

    – nkjt
    Feb 20 '16 at 9:13






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    It's on-topic because PARTS of volunteering are specified in Appendix V

    – Gayot Fow
    Feb 20 '16 at 13:40















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Does a retired American who wants to volunteer through HelpX or WorkAway in the UK need a volunteer visa?



All I can find are student visas.










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  • 1





    I believe this question is better suited to the Expatriates stackexchange. I presume you do not want to emigrate, but they are more familiar with these kinds of visa.

    – o.m.
    Feb 20 '16 at 8:30











  • Depending on how long they're planning to stay - the on topic guidance specifically says working while on the go (WWOOFing, volunteer travel etc)

    – nkjt
    Feb 20 '16 at 9:13






  • 2





    It's on-topic because PARTS of volunteering are specified in Appendix V

    – Gayot Fow
    Feb 20 '16 at 13:40













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Does a retired American who wants to volunteer through HelpX or WorkAway in the UK need a volunteer visa?



All I can find are student visas.










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Does a retired American who wants to volunteer through HelpX or WorkAway in the UK need a volunteer visa?



All I can find are student visas.







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    I believe this question is better suited to the Expatriates stackexchange. I presume you do not want to emigrate, but they are more familiar with these kinds of visa.

    – o.m.
    Feb 20 '16 at 8:30











  • Depending on how long they're planning to stay - the on topic guidance specifically says working while on the go (WWOOFing, volunteer travel etc)

    – nkjt
    Feb 20 '16 at 9:13






  • 2





    It's on-topic because PARTS of volunteering are specified in Appendix V

    – Gayot Fow
    Feb 20 '16 at 13:40












  • 1





    I believe this question is better suited to the Expatriates stackexchange. I presume you do not want to emigrate, but they are more familiar with these kinds of visa.

    – o.m.
    Feb 20 '16 at 8:30











  • Depending on how long they're planning to stay - the on topic guidance specifically says working while on the go (WWOOFing, volunteer travel etc)

    – nkjt
    Feb 20 '16 at 9:13






  • 2





    It's on-topic because PARTS of volunteering are specified in Appendix V

    – Gayot Fow
    Feb 20 '16 at 13:40







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1





I believe this question is better suited to the Expatriates stackexchange. I presume you do not want to emigrate, but they are more familiar with these kinds of visa.

– o.m.
Feb 20 '16 at 8:30





I believe this question is better suited to the Expatriates stackexchange. I presume you do not want to emigrate, but they are more familiar with these kinds of visa.

– o.m.
Feb 20 '16 at 8:30













Depending on how long they're planning to stay - the on topic guidance specifically says working while on the go (WWOOFing, volunteer travel etc)

– nkjt
Feb 20 '16 at 9:13





Depending on how long they're planning to stay - the on topic guidance specifically says working while on the go (WWOOFing, volunteer travel etc)

– nkjt
Feb 20 '16 at 9:13




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It's on-topic because PARTS of volunteering are specified in Appendix V

– Gayot Fow
Feb 20 '16 at 13:40





It's on-topic because PARTS of volunteering are specified in Appendix V

– Gayot Fow
Feb 20 '16 at 13:40










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The question of visitor volunteering is covered in Appendix V, Part 4A, which says (on 20 Feb 2016)...




A visitor may undertake incidental volunteering (i.e. the main purpose
of the visit is not to volunteer), provided it lasts no more than 30
days in total and is for a charity that is registered with either the
Charity Commission for England and Wales; the Charity Commission for
Northern Ireland; or the Office of the Scottish Charity Regulator.




The key points are that the work is incidental and host has obtained a certificate from the Charity Commissioner. The latter is generally a show-stopper.



I looked briefly at HelpX and WorkAway and concluded (on assumption) that the hosts here were not bona fide UK charities. If they are, you should get their status confirmed in writing before you depart. If they ask you why you need confirmation in writing, you can print out this answer and email it to them.



The FAQ on HelpX gives the following disclaimer...




Many countries require a work visa in order to be a volunteer helper
abroad. Several countries, including Australia, New Zealand, UK,
Ireland and Canada have Working Holiday Schemes for young people from
certain countries, which you may wish to investigate further.




The FAQ for Workaway gives this statement...




Workaway can not advise or organise travel or working visas. All
volunteers must obtain the relevant visa (Working , Volunteering or
otherwise) for the country they are travelling to. All questions
regarding travel and visas should be put to the relevant embassy in
the home country before travelling.




For volunteering activities that are longer than 30 days or with a non-charity, you need a Tier 2 visa or a Tier 5 Government Authorised Exchange visa. The point is that the UK considers those activities to be work and not volunteering in a legal sense. T2 and T5 GAE are dealt with on the StackExchange Expats site, we handle only volunteering as defined in Appendix V.



It pays to play it by the book when visiting the UK. Last week we had a removal from port and 10 year ban where the person had done some babysitting previously. The removal was on gravely serious grounds and babysitting was just icing on the cake, but you can bet that the babysitting hosts got a warning from the police along with a visit from child welfare.



As noted your follow-up questions about T2 and T5 can be posted on Expats.




Note: this answer includes Americans, Japanese, Brazilians etc along with visa-nationals (Egyptians, Indians, etc). It works the same way for all nationalities.



Note: EU nationals can do what they want as long as they are exercising treaty rights.



Note: the UK's Youth Mobility Scheme (the current branding for 'working holiday maker') can also be used to perform volunteering lawfully. You wrote that you're American and thus not qualified to participate in the YMS.



Note: for Americans the relevant 'embassy' for enquiries is the British Consulate General in New York, or call the relevant UKVI contact centre (or chat facility).



Note: Canadians are part of the Commonwealth and thus eligible for YMS.



See also: Can a visitor to the UK work as volunteer?






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  • A quick flick through WorkAway didn't find any obvious charities, but did find one CIC. I take it these aren't covered, despite their quasi-charitable nature?

    – Andrew
    Feb 20 '16 at 17:30






  • 1





    @Andrew, the establishment needs to have a certificate from the Charities Commissioner. That holds even if they purport to be doing something for the public welfare.

    – Gayot Fow
    Feb 20 '16 at 17:57











  • So, I would assume, from the answers that 99% of WorkAway's and HelpXers in the UK are there "illegallly" so to speak. Since rarely, are the hosts "charities". Correct?

    – sherrill madden
    Feb 21 '16 at 10:25






  • 1





    If the worker is American, then yes. If caught without a T2/T5 the host gets up to GBP 10k in fines and the worker gets removed. But remember that they are perfectly legal for YMS, EU and anyone on a T4 visa (including Americans). So your assumption of 99% isn't well grounded, but it's likely there will always be a few who snuck in or used deception etc so an assumption of 0% would be similarly inaccurate. There is a lot of social anxiety and concern about establishments that import migrants to work for free. But like I said, you can print out my answer and email it to them, or even UKVI :)

    – Gayot Fow
    Feb 21 '16 at 13:02







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    @sherrillmadden, I forgot: be sure to ask on Expats to get their side of the visa question. expatriates.stackexchange.com/questions/7888/… They deal with working etc and may give you additional insights

    – Gayot Fow
    Feb 21 '16 at 13:36










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The question of visitor volunteering is covered in Appendix V, Part 4A, which says (on 20 Feb 2016)...




A visitor may undertake incidental volunteering (i.e. the main purpose
of the visit is not to volunteer), provided it lasts no more than 30
days in total and is for a charity that is registered with either the
Charity Commission for England and Wales; the Charity Commission for
Northern Ireland; or the Office of the Scottish Charity Regulator.




The key points are that the work is incidental and host has obtained a certificate from the Charity Commissioner. The latter is generally a show-stopper.



I looked briefly at HelpX and WorkAway and concluded (on assumption) that the hosts here were not bona fide UK charities. If they are, you should get their status confirmed in writing before you depart. If they ask you why you need confirmation in writing, you can print out this answer and email it to them.



The FAQ on HelpX gives the following disclaimer...




Many countries require a work visa in order to be a volunteer helper
abroad. Several countries, including Australia, New Zealand, UK,
Ireland and Canada have Working Holiday Schemes for young people from
certain countries, which you may wish to investigate further.




The FAQ for Workaway gives this statement...




Workaway can not advise or organise travel or working visas. All
volunteers must obtain the relevant visa (Working , Volunteering or
otherwise) for the country they are travelling to. All questions
regarding travel and visas should be put to the relevant embassy in
the home country before travelling.




For volunteering activities that are longer than 30 days or with a non-charity, you need a Tier 2 visa or a Tier 5 Government Authorised Exchange visa. The point is that the UK considers those activities to be work and not volunteering in a legal sense. T2 and T5 GAE are dealt with on the StackExchange Expats site, we handle only volunteering as defined in Appendix V.



It pays to play it by the book when visiting the UK. Last week we had a removal from port and 10 year ban where the person had done some babysitting previously. The removal was on gravely serious grounds and babysitting was just icing on the cake, but you can bet that the babysitting hosts got a warning from the police along with a visit from child welfare.



As noted your follow-up questions about T2 and T5 can be posted on Expats.




Note: this answer includes Americans, Japanese, Brazilians etc along with visa-nationals (Egyptians, Indians, etc). It works the same way for all nationalities.



Note: EU nationals can do what they want as long as they are exercising treaty rights.



Note: the UK's Youth Mobility Scheme (the current branding for 'working holiday maker') can also be used to perform volunteering lawfully. You wrote that you're American and thus not qualified to participate in the YMS.



Note: for Americans the relevant 'embassy' for enquiries is the British Consulate General in New York, or call the relevant UKVI contact centre (or chat facility).



Note: Canadians are part of the Commonwealth and thus eligible for YMS.



See also: Can a visitor to the UK work as volunteer?






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  • A quick flick through WorkAway didn't find any obvious charities, but did find one CIC. I take it these aren't covered, despite their quasi-charitable nature?

    – Andrew
    Feb 20 '16 at 17:30






  • 1





    @Andrew, the establishment needs to have a certificate from the Charities Commissioner. That holds even if they purport to be doing something for the public welfare.

    – Gayot Fow
    Feb 20 '16 at 17:57











  • So, I would assume, from the answers that 99% of WorkAway's and HelpXers in the UK are there "illegallly" so to speak. Since rarely, are the hosts "charities". Correct?

    – sherrill madden
    Feb 21 '16 at 10:25






  • 1





    If the worker is American, then yes. If caught without a T2/T5 the host gets up to GBP 10k in fines and the worker gets removed. But remember that they are perfectly legal for YMS, EU and anyone on a T4 visa (including Americans). So your assumption of 99% isn't well grounded, but it's likely there will always be a few who snuck in or used deception etc so an assumption of 0% would be similarly inaccurate. There is a lot of social anxiety and concern about establishments that import migrants to work for free. But like I said, you can print out my answer and email it to them, or even UKVI :)

    – Gayot Fow
    Feb 21 '16 at 13:02







  • 1





    @sherrillmadden, I forgot: be sure to ask on Expats to get their side of the visa question. expatriates.stackexchange.com/questions/7888/… They deal with working etc and may give you additional insights

    – Gayot Fow
    Feb 21 '16 at 13:36















8














The question of visitor volunteering is covered in Appendix V, Part 4A, which says (on 20 Feb 2016)...




A visitor may undertake incidental volunteering (i.e. the main purpose
of the visit is not to volunteer), provided it lasts no more than 30
days in total and is for a charity that is registered with either the
Charity Commission for England and Wales; the Charity Commission for
Northern Ireland; or the Office of the Scottish Charity Regulator.




The key points are that the work is incidental and host has obtained a certificate from the Charity Commissioner. The latter is generally a show-stopper.



I looked briefly at HelpX and WorkAway and concluded (on assumption) that the hosts here were not bona fide UK charities. If they are, you should get their status confirmed in writing before you depart. If they ask you why you need confirmation in writing, you can print out this answer and email it to them.



The FAQ on HelpX gives the following disclaimer...




Many countries require a work visa in order to be a volunteer helper
abroad. Several countries, including Australia, New Zealand, UK,
Ireland and Canada have Working Holiday Schemes for young people from
certain countries, which you may wish to investigate further.




The FAQ for Workaway gives this statement...




Workaway can not advise or organise travel or working visas. All
volunteers must obtain the relevant visa (Working , Volunteering or
otherwise) for the country they are travelling to. All questions
regarding travel and visas should be put to the relevant embassy in
the home country before travelling.




For volunteering activities that are longer than 30 days or with a non-charity, you need a Tier 2 visa or a Tier 5 Government Authorised Exchange visa. The point is that the UK considers those activities to be work and not volunteering in a legal sense. T2 and T5 GAE are dealt with on the StackExchange Expats site, we handle only volunteering as defined in Appendix V.



It pays to play it by the book when visiting the UK. Last week we had a removal from port and 10 year ban where the person had done some babysitting previously. The removal was on gravely serious grounds and babysitting was just icing on the cake, but you can bet that the babysitting hosts got a warning from the police along with a visit from child welfare.



As noted your follow-up questions about T2 and T5 can be posted on Expats.




Note: this answer includes Americans, Japanese, Brazilians etc along with visa-nationals (Egyptians, Indians, etc). It works the same way for all nationalities.



Note: EU nationals can do what they want as long as they are exercising treaty rights.



Note: the UK's Youth Mobility Scheme (the current branding for 'working holiday maker') can also be used to perform volunteering lawfully. You wrote that you're American and thus not qualified to participate in the YMS.



Note: for Americans the relevant 'embassy' for enquiries is the British Consulate General in New York, or call the relevant UKVI contact centre (or chat facility).



Note: Canadians are part of the Commonwealth and thus eligible for YMS.



See also: Can a visitor to the UK work as volunteer?






share|improve this answer

























  • A quick flick through WorkAway didn't find any obvious charities, but did find one CIC. I take it these aren't covered, despite their quasi-charitable nature?

    – Andrew
    Feb 20 '16 at 17:30






  • 1





    @Andrew, the establishment needs to have a certificate from the Charities Commissioner. That holds even if they purport to be doing something for the public welfare.

    – Gayot Fow
    Feb 20 '16 at 17:57











  • So, I would assume, from the answers that 99% of WorkAway's and HelpXers in the UK are there "illegallly" so to speak. Since rarely, are the hosts "charities". Correct?

    – sherrill madden
    Feb 21 '16 at 10:25






  • 1





    If the worker is American, then yes. If caught without a T2/T5 the host gets up to GBP 10k in fines and the worker gets removed. But remember that they are perfectly legal for YMS, EU and anyone on a T4 visa (including Americans). So your assumption of 99% isn't well grounded, but it's likely there will always be a few who snuck in or used deception etc so an assumption of 0% would be similarly inaccurate. There is a lot of social anxiety and concern about establishments that import migrants to work for free. But like I said, you can print out my answer and email it to them, or even UKVI :)

    – Gayot Fow
    Feb 21 '16 at 13:02







  • 1





    @sherrillmadden, I forgot: be sure to ask on Expats to get their side of the visa question. expatriates.stackexchange.com/questions/7888/… They deal with working etc and may give you additional insights

    – Gayot Fow
    Feb 21 '16 at 13:36













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The question of visitor volunteering is covered in Appendix V, Part 4A, which says (on 20 Feb 2016)...




A visitor may undertake incidental volunteering (i.e. the main purpose
of the visit is not to volunteer), provided it lasts no more than 30
days in total and is for a charity that is registered with either the
Charity Commission for England and Wales; the Charity Commission for
Northern Ireland; or the Office of the Scottish Charity Regulator.




The key points are that the work is incidental and host has obtained a certificate from the Charity Commissioner. The latter is generally a show-stopper.



I looked briefly at HelpX and WorkAway and concluded (on assumption) that the hosts here were not bona fide UK charities. If they are, you should get their status confirmed in writing before you depart. If they ask you why you need confirmation in writing, you can print out this answer and email it to them.



The FAQ on HelpX gives the following disclaimer...




Many countries require a work visa in order to be a volunteer helper
abroad. Several countries, including Australia, New Zealand, UK,
Ireland and Canada have Working Holiday Schemes for young people from
certain countries, which you may wish to investigate further.




The FAQ for Workaway gives this statement...




Workaway can not advise or organise travel or working visas. All
volunteers must obtain the relevant visa (Working , Volunteering or
otherwise) for the country they are travelling to. All questions
regarding travel and visas should be put to the relevant embassy in
the home country before travelling.




For volunteering activities that are longer than 30 days or with a non-charity, you need a Tier 2 visa or a Tier 5 Government Authorised Exchange visa. The point is that the UK considers those activities to be work and not volunteering in a legal sense. T2 and T5 GAE are dealt with on the StackExchange Expats site, we handle only volunteering as defined in Appendix V.



It pays to play it by the book when visiting the UK. Last week we had a removal from port and 10 year ban where the person had done some babysitting previously. The removal was on gravely serious grounds and babysitting was just icing on the cake, but you can bet that the babysitting hosts got a warning from the police along with a visit from child welfare.



As noted your follow-up questions about T2 and T5 can be posted on Expats.




Note: this answer includes Americans, Japanese, Brazilians etc along with visa-nationals (Egyptians, Indians, etc). It works the same way for all nationalities.



Note: EU nationals can do what they want as long as they are exercising treaty rights.



Note: the UK's Youth Mobility Scheme (the current branding for 'working holiday maker') can also be used to perform volunteering lawfully. You wrote that you're American and thus not qualified to participate in the YMS.



Note: for Americans the relevant 'embassy' for enquiries is the British Consulate General in New York, or call the relevant UKVI contact centre (or chat facility).



Note: Canadians are part of the Commonwealth and thus eligible for YMS.



See also: Can a visitor to the UK work as volunteer?






share|improve this answer















The question of visitor volunteering is covered in Appendix V, Part 4A, which says (on 20 Feb 2016)...




A visitor may undertake incidental volunteering (i.e. the main purpose
of the visit is not to volunteer), provided it lasts no more than 30
days in total and is for a charity that is registered with either the
Charity Commission for England and Wales; the Charity Commission for
Northern Ireland; or the Office of the Scottish Charity Regulator.




The key points are that the work is incidental and host has obtained a certificate from the Charity Commissioner. The latter is generally a show-stopper.



I looked briefly at HelpX and WorkAway and concluded (on assumption) that the hosts here were not bona fide UK charities. If they are, you should get their status confirmed in writing before you depart. If they ask you why you need confirmation in writing, you can print out this answer and email it to them.



The FAQ on HelpX gives the following disclaimer...




Many countries require a work visa in order to be a volunteer helper
abroad. Several countries, including Australia, New Zealand, UK,
Ireland and Canada have Working Holiday Schemes for young people from
certain countries, which you may wish to investigate further.




The FAQ for Workaway gives this statement...




Workaway can not advise or organise travel or working visas. All
volunteers must obtain the relevant visa (Working , Volunteering or
otherwise) for the country they are travelling to. All questions
regarding travel and visas should be put to the relevant embassy in
the home country before travelling.




For volunteering activities that are longer than 30 days or with a non-charity, you need a Tier 2 visa or a Tier 5 Government Authorised Exchange visa. The point is that the UK considers those activities to be work and not volunteering in a legal sense. T2 and T5 GAE are dealt with on the StackExchange Expats site, we handle only volunteering as defined in Appendix V.



It pays to play it by the book when visiting the UK. Last week we had a removal from port and 10 year ban where the person had done some babysitting previously. The removal was on gravely serious grounds and babysitting was just icing on the cake, but you can bet that the babysitting hosts got a warning from the police along with a visit from child welfare.



As noted your follow-up questions about T2 and T5 can be posted on Expats.




Note: this answer includes Americans, Japanese, Brazilians etc along with visa-nationals (Egyptians, Indians, etc). It works the same way for all nationalities.



Note: EU nationals can do what they want as long as they are exercising treaty rights.



Note: the UK's Youth Mobility Scheme (the current branding for 'working holiday maker') can also be used to perform volunteering lawfully. You wrote that you're American and thus not qualified to participate in the YMS.



Note: for Americans the relevant 'embassy' for enquiries is the British Consulate General in New York, or call the relevant UKVI contact centre (or chat facility).



Note: Canadians are part of the Commonwealth and thus eligible for YMS.



See also: Can a visitor to the UK work as volunteer?







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  • A quick flick through WorkAway didn't find any obvious charities, but did find one CIC. I take it these aren't covered, despite their quasi-charitable nature?

    – Andrew
    Feb 20 '16 at 17:30






  • 1





    @Andrew, the establishment needs to have a certificate from the Charities Commissioner. That holds even if they purport to be doing something for the public welfare.

    – Gayot Fow
    Feb 20 '16 at 17:57











  • So, I would assume, from the answers that 99% of WorkAway's and HelpXers in the UK are there "illegallly" so to speak. Since rarely, are the hosts "charities". Correct?

    – sherrill madden
    Feb 21 '16 at 10:25






  • 1





    If the worker is American, then yes. If caught without a T2/T5 the host gets up to GBP 10k in fines and the worker gets removed. But remember that they are perfectly legal for YMS, EU and anyone on a T4 visa (including Americans). So your assumption of 99% isn't well grounded, but it's likely there will always be a few who snuck in or used deception etc so an assumption of 0% would be similarly inaccurate. There is a lot of social anxiety and concern about establishments that import migrants to work for free. But like I said, you can print out my answer and email it to them, or even UKVI :)

    – Gayot Fow
    Feb 21 '16 at 13:02







  • 1





    @sherrillmadden, I forgot: be sure to ask on Expats to get their side of the visa question. expatriates.stackexchange.com/questions/7888/… They deal with working etc and may give you additional insights

    – Gayot Fow
    Feb 21 '16 at 13:36

















  • A quick flick through WorkAway didn't find any obvious charities, but did find one CIC. I take it these aren't covered, despite their quasi-charitable nature?

    – Andrew
    Feb 20 '16 at 17:30






  • 1





    @Andrew, the establishment needs to have a certificate from the Charities Commissioner. That holds even if they purport to be doing something for the public welfare.

    – Gayot Fow
    Feb 20 '16 at 17:57











  • So, I would assume, from the answers that 99% of WorkAway's and HelpXers in the UK are there "illegallly" so to speak. Since rarely, are the hosts "charities". Correct?

    – sherrill madden
    Feb 21 '16 at 10:25






  • 1





    If the worker is American, then yes. If caught without a T2/T5 the host gets up to GBP 10k in fines and the worker gets removed. But remember that they are perfectly legal for YMS, EU and anyone on a T4 visa (including Americans). So your assumption of 99% isn't well grounded, but it's likely there will always be a few who snuck in or used deception etc so an assumption of 0% would be similarly inaccurate. There is a lot of social anxiety and concern about establishments that import migrants to work for free. But like I said, you can print out my answer and email it to them, or even UKVI :)

    – Gayot Fow
    Feb 21 '16 at 13:02







  • 1





    @sherrillmadden, I forgot: be sure to ask on Expats to get their side of the visa question. expatriates.stackexchange.com/questions/7888/… They deal with working etc and may give you additional insights

    – Gayot Fow
    Feb 21 '16 at 13:36
















A quick flick through WorkAway didn't find any obvious charities, but did find one CIC. I take it these aren't covered, despite their quasi-charitable nature?

– Andrew
Feb 20 '16 at 17:30





A quick flick through WorkAway didn't find any obvious charities, but did find one CIC. I take it these aren't covered, despite their quasi-charitable nature?

– Andrew
Feb 20 '16 at 17:30




1




1





@Andrew, the establishment needs to have a certificate from the Charities Commissioner. That holds even if they purport to be doing something for the public welfare.

– Gayot Fow
Feb 20 '16 at 17:57





@Andrew, the establishment needs to have a certificate from the Charities Commissioner. That holds even if they purport to be doing something for the public welfare.

– Gayot Fow
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So, I would assume, from the answers that 99% of WorkAway's and HelpXers in the UK are there "illegallly" so to speak. Since rarely, are the hosts "charities". Correct?

– sherrill madden
Feb 21 '16 at 10:25





So, I would assume, from the answers that 99% of WorkAway's and HelpXers in the UK are there "illegallly" so to speak. Since rarely, are the hosts "charities". Correct?

– sherrill madden
Feb 21 '16 at 10:25




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If the worker is American, then yes. If caught without a T2/T5 the host gets up to GBP 10k in fines and the worker gets removed. But remember that they are perfectly legal for YMS, EU and anyone on a T4 visa (including Americans). So your assumption of 99% isn't well grounded, but it's likely there will always be a few who snuck in or used deception etc so an assumption of 0% would be similarly inaccurate. There is a lot of social anxiety and concern about establishments that import migrants to work for free. But like I said, you can print out my answer and email it to them, or even UKVI :)

– Gayot Fow
Feb 21 '16 at 13:02






If the worker is American, then yes. If caught without a T2/T5 the host gets up to GBP 10k in fines and the worker gets removed. But remember that they are perfectly legal for YMS, EU and anyone on a T4 visa (including Americans). So your assumption of 99% isn't well grounded, but it's likely there will always be a few who snuck in or used deception etc so an assumption of 0% would be similarly inaccurate. There is a lot of social anxiety and concern about establishments that import migrants to work for free. But like I said, you can print out my answer and email it to them, or even UKVI :)

– Gayot Fow
Feb 21 '16 at 13:02





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@sherrillmadden, I forgot: be sure to ask on Expats to get their side of the visa question. expatriates.stackexchange.com/questions/7888/… They deal with working etc and may give you additional insights

– Gayot Fow
Feb 21 '16 at 13:36





@sherrillmadden, I forgot: be sure to ask on Expats to get their side of the visa question. expatriates.stackexchange.com/questions/7888/… They deal with working etc and may give you additional insights

– Gayot Fow
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