Under what circumstances are flights moved earlier by one hour or several? [closed]
Not that long ago, I was talking with an airline passenger who was complaining about a major US airline carrier having "a habit of" moving flights earlier (that is, the opposite of a delay) to the point where he (and his party) were missing flights, including one connecting flight that had been moved up so early that it boarded while he was still on the incoming flight which was according to its original schedule. I think he was talking about all flights within the US.
Subsequently, I showed up at a US airport 4.5 hours early for a flight figuring that would be plenty of time, but after arrival found that the flight had also been moved earlier by more than four hours, and the gate had changed from one end of the airport to the opposite end (as far apart as two gates could be with an indoor connection). So sorry! Also, it's the last flight of the day on that route.
Under what conditions do airlines do this? It sure would be helpful to be able to better predict such occurrences in the future, or at least understand the causes.
Edit: This question was flagged as a duplicate of that one, which focuses on airlines moving up flights by five or ten minutes. The present question focuses on airlines moving up flights by e.g. an hour or few.
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Not that long ago, I was talking with an airline passenger who was complaining about a major US airline carrier having "a habit of" moving flights earlier (that is, the opposite of a delay) to the point where he (and his party) were missing flights, including one connecting flight that had been moved up so early that it boarded while he was still on the incoming flight which was according to its original schedule. I think he was talking about all flights within the US.
Subsequently, I showed up at a US airport 4.5 hours early for a flight figuring that would be plenty of time, but after arrival found that the flight had also been moved earlier by more than four hours, and the gate had changed from one end of the airport to the opposite end (as far apart as two gates could be with an indoor connection). So sorry! Also, it's the last flight of the day on that route.
Under what conditions do airlines do this? It sure would be helpful to be able to better predict such occurrences in the future, or at least understand the causes.
Edit: This question was flagged as a duplicate of that one, which focuses on airlines moving up flights by five or ten minutes. The present question focuses on airlines moving up flights by e.g. an hour or few.
air-travel airlines flight-status
edited Apr 13 '17 at 12:52
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asked Jan 11 '17 at 21:32
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closed as unclear what you're asking by pnuts, Ali Awan, Rory Alsop, David Richerby, JonathanReez♦ Jan 18 '17 at 9:32
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For flight had also been moved earlier by more than four hours do you have the flight number, airport, date and time? What you report sounds highly implausible.
– pnuts
Jan 11 '17 at 21:45
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Redact the personal part?
– pnuts
Jan 11 '17 at 22:29
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If you won't share them your point is moot... I don't believe any airline actually moved up their scheduled flight by that long.
– JonathanReez♦
Jan 11 '17 at 22:30
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What is "all that personal information" about a flight number?!
– Michael Hampton
Jan 12 '17 at 2:30
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If you don't want to give a flight number, date airline and departure airport might help.
– DJClayworth
Jan 12 '17 at 4:26
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Not that long ago, I was talking with an airline passenger who was complaining about a major US airline carrier having "a habit of" moving flights earlier (that is, the opposite of a delay) to the point where he (and his party) were missing flights, including one connecting flight that had been moved up so early that it boarded while he was still on the incoming flight which was according to its original schedule. I think he was talking about all flights within the US.
Subsequently, I showed up at a US airport 4.5 hours early for a flight figuring that would be plenty of time, but after arrival found that the flight had also been moved earlier by more than four hours, and the gate had changed from one end of the airport to the opposite end (as far apart as two gates could be with an indoor connection). So sorry! Also, it's the last flight of the day on that route.
Under what conditions do airlines do this? It sure would be helpful to be able to better predict such occurrences in the future, or at least understand the causes.
Edit: This question was flagged as a duplicate of that one, which focuses on airlines moving up flights by five or ten minutes. The present question focuses on airlines moving up flights by e.g. an hour or few.
air-travel airlines flight-status
edited Apr 13 '17 at 12:52
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asked Jan 11 '17 at 21:32
WBTWBT
1,48311329
Not that long ago, I was talking with an airline passenger who was complaining about a major US airline carrier having "a habit of" moving flights earlier (that is, the opposite of a delay) to the point where he (and his party) were missing flights, including one connecting flight that had been moved up so early that it boarded while he was still on the incoming flight which was according to its original schedule. I think he was talking about all flights within the US.
Subsequently, I showed up at a US airport 4.5 hours early for a flight figuring that would be plenty of time, but after arrival found that the flight had also been moved earlier by more than four hours, and the gate had changed from one end of the airport to the opposite end (as far apart as two gates could be with an indoor connection). So sorry! Also, it's the last flight of the day on that route.
Under what conditions do airlines do this? It sure would be helpful to be able to better predict such occurrences in the future, or at least understand the causes.
Edit: This question was flagged as a duplicate of that one, which focuses on airlines moving up flights by five or ten minutes. The present question focuses on airlines moving up flights by e.g. an hour or few.
air-travel airlines flight-status
air-travel airlines flight-status
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closed as unclear what you're asking by pnuts, Ali Awan, Rory Alsop, David Richerby, JonathanReez♦ Jan 18 '17 at 9:32
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For flight had also been moved earlier by more than four hours do you have the flight number, airport, date and time? What you report sounds highly implausible.
– pnuts
Jan 11 '17 at 21:45
4
Redact the personal part?
– pnuts
Jan 11 '17 at 22:29
6
If you won't share them your point is moot... I don't believe any airline actually moved up their scheduled flight by that long.
– JonathanReez♦
Jan 11 '17 at 22:30
7
What is "all that personal information" about a flight number?!
– Michael Hampton
Jan 12 '17 at 2:30
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If you don't want to give a flight number, date airline and departure airport might help.
– DJClayworth
Jan 12 '17 at 4:26
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For flight had also been moved earlier by more than four hours do you have the flight number, airport, date and time? What you report sounds highly implausible.
– pnuts
Jan 11 '17 at 21:45
4
Redact the personal part?
– pnuts
Jan 11 '17 at 22:29
6
If you won't share them your point is moot... I don't believe any airline actually moved up their scheduled flight by that long.
– JonathanReez♦
Jan 11 '17 at 22:30
7
What is "all that personal information" about a flight number?!
– Michael Hampton
Jan 12 '17 at 2:30
2
If you don't want to give a flight number, date airline and departure airport might help.
– DJClayworth
Jan 12 '17 at 4:26
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For flight had also been moved earlier by more than four hours do you have the flight number, airport, date and time? What you report sounds highly implausible.
– pnuts
Jan 11 '17 at 21:45
For flight had also been moved earlier by more than four hours do you have the flight number, airport, date and time? What you report sounds highly implausible.
– pnuts
Jan 11 '17 at 21:45
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4
Redact the personal part?
– pnuts
Jan 11 '17 at 22:29
Redact the personal part?
– pnuts
Jan 11 '17 at 22:29
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If you won't share them your point is moot... I don't believe any airline actually moved up their scheduled flight by that long.
– JonathanReez♦
Jan 11 '17 at 22:30
If you won't share them your point is moot... I don't believe any airline actually moved up their scheduled flight by that long.
– JonathanReez♦
Jan 11 '17 at 22:30
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7
What is "all that personal information" about a flight number?!
– Michael Hampton
Jan 12 '17 at 2:30
What is "all that personal information" about a flight number?!
– Michael Hampton
Jan 12 '17 at 2:30
2
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If you don't want to give a flight number, date airline and departure airport might help.
– DJClayworth
Jan 12 '17 at 4:26
If you don't want to give a flight number, date airline and departure airport might help.
– DJClayworth
Jan 12 '17 at 4:26
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Airlines reschedule flights on a regular basis, moving them forward, backward, cancelling them all together. These changes are usually done several days, weeks or months in advance. But sadly MANY travelers never bother to recheck their itineraries, and thus get caught unaware by the changes. And most check in counter agents assume the traveler is paying attention, so don't point out schedule changes at check in time.
Airlines can reschedule flights on the day of travel due to a specific issue on that date (such as an incoming hurricane, severe winter storm, etc). When they make these last minute changes, they try to contact passengers via email sms or phone numbers. But if you are traveling or if you left your home number on the booking but are at work, these notifications don't get through in a timely manner.
The date the OP mentioned where there were multiple flights moved up, likely had a weather related issue at the departure airport or an upstream airport. The grumbling passenger was probably just that a grumbler, trying to get sympathy by exaggerating his situation.
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So something like repositioning aircraft (even at the expense of flying empty) to avoid being snowed in or such like?
– pnuts
Jan 12 '17 at 1:37
@pnuts Yes, but they try to get as many passengers notified and on that plane as they can, less folks to re-route later. Travelers tend to view the plane for their flight only, but most aircraft have multiple flights (as do the crews) each day and not having the plane in position can have a cascading effect.
– user13044
Jan 12 '17 at 2:33
All true but 4 hours seems far too long to catch up in one day. Maybe 10 minutes is plausible, if not loading a full complement. If the other 3hrs+ is from earlier stopovers, won't there be many planeloads of other passengers inconvenienced - or are they found space on other flights?
– pnuts
Jan 12 '17 at 2:37
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We have no idea where the planes were going in the situation mentioned. There could have been an upstream issue that they wanted to get planes in & out of the next airport. I had a flight moved forward by four hours for that exact reason, a typhoon heading towards the next airport and they wanted to get planes in and out of the airport well ahead of the storm's anticipated landfall.
– user13044
Jan 12 '17 at 3:02
Check in counters in my experience are pretty good about telling you of changes, and if you checked in 30 mins before departure as the OP claimed he did they would definitely say something.
– DJClayworth
Jan 12 '17 at 4:07
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1 Answer
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Airlines reschedule flights on a regular basis, moving them forward, backward, cancelling them all together. These changes are usually done several days, weeks or months in advance. But sadly MANY travelers never bother to recheck their itineraries, and thus get caught unaware by the changes. And most check in counter agents assume the traveler is paying attention, so don't point out schedule changes at check in time.
Airlines can reschedule flights on the day of travel due to a specific issue on that date (such as an incoming hurricane, severe winter storm, etc). When they make these last minute changes, they try to contact passengers via email sms or phone numbers. But if you are traveling or if you left your home number on the booking but are at work, these notifications don't get through in a timely manner.
The date the OP mentioned where there were multiple flights moved up, likely had a weather related issue at the departure airport or an upstream airport. The grumbling passenger was probably just that a grumbler, trying to get sympathy by exaggerating his situation.
1
So something like repositioning aircraft (even at the expense of flying empty) to avoid being snowed in or such like?
– pnuts
Jan 12 '17 at 1:37
@pnuts Yes, but they try to get as many passengers notified and on that plane as they can, less folks to re-route later. Travelers tend to view the plane for their flight only, but most aircraft have multiple flights (as do the crews) each day and not having the plane in position can have a cascading effect.
– user13044
Jan 12 '17 at 2:33
All true but 4 hours seems far too long to catch up in one day. Maybe 10 minutes is plausible, if not loading a full complement. If the other 3hrs+ is from earlier stopovers, won't there be many planeloads of other passengers inconvenienced - or are they found space on other flights?
– pnuts
Jan 12 '17 at 2:37
1
We have no idea where the planes were going in the situation mentioned. There could have been an upstream issue that they wanted to get planes in & out of the next airport. I had a flight moved forward by four hours for that exact reason, a typhoon heading towards the next airport and they wanted to get planes in and out of the airport well ahead of the storm's anticipated landfall.
– user13044
Jan 12 '17 at 3:02
Check in counters in my experience are pretty good about telling you of changes, and if you checked in 30 mins before departure as the OP claimed he did they would definitely say something.
– DJClayworth
Jan 12 '17 at 4:07
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show 6 more comments
Airlines reschedule flights on a regular basis, moving them forward, backward, cancelling them all together. These changes are usually done several days, weeks or months in advance. But sadly MANY travelers never bother to recheck their itineraries, and thus get caught unaware by the changes. And most check in counter agents assume the traveler is paying attention, so don't point out schedule changes at check in time.
Airlines can reschedule flights on the day of travel due to a specific issue on that date (such as an incoming hurricane, severe winter storm, etc). When they make these last minute changes, they try to contact passengers via email sms or phone numbers. But if you are traveling or if you left your home number on the booking but are at work, these notifications don't get through in a timely manner.
The date the OP mentioned where there were multiple flights moved up, likely had a weather related issue at the departure airport or an upstream airport. The grumbling passenger was probably just that a grumbler, trying to get sympathy by exaggerating his situation.
1
So something like repositioning aircraft (even at the expense of flying empty) to avoid being snowed in or such like?
– pnuts
Jan 12 '17 at 1:37
@pnuts Yes, but they try to get as many passengers notified and on that plane as they can, less folks to re-route later. Travelers tend to view the plane for their flight only, but most aircraft have multiple flights (as do the crews) each day and not having the plane in position can have a cascading effect.
– user13044
Jan 12 '17 at 2:33
All true but 4 hours seems far too long to catch up in one day. Maybe 10 minutes is plausible, if not loading a full complement. If the other 3hrs+ is from earlier stopovers, won't there be many planeloads of other passengers inconvenienced - or are they found space on other flights?
– pnuts
Jan 12 '17 at 2:37
1
We have no idea where the planes were going in the situation mentioned. There could have been an upstream issue that they wanted to get planes in & out of the next airport. I had a flight moved forward by four hours for that exact reason, a typhoon heading towards the next airport and they wanted to get planes in and out of the airport well ahead of the storm's anticipated landfall.
– user13044
Jan 12 '17 at 3:02
Check in counters in my experience are pretty good about telling you of changes, and if you checked in 30 mins before departure as the OP claimed he did they would definitely say something.
– DJClayworth
Jan 12 '17 at 4:07
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show 6 more comments
Airlines reschedule flights on a regular basis, moving them forward, backward, cancelling them all together. These changes are usually done several days, weeks or months in advance. But sadly MANY travelers never bother to recheck their itineraries, and thus get caught unaware by the changes. And most check in counter agents assume the traveler is paying attention, so don't point out schedule changes at check in time.
Airlines can reschedule flights on the day of travel due to a specific issue on that date (such as an incoming hurricane, severe winter storm, etc). When they make these last minute changes, they try to contact passengers via email sms or phone numbers. But if you are traveling or if you left your home number on the booking but are at work, these notifications don't get through in a timely manner.
The date the OP mentioned where there were multiple flights moved up, likely had a weather related issue at the departure airport or an upstream airport. The grumbling passenger was probably just that a grumbler, trying to get sympathy by exaggerating his situation.
Airlines reschedule flights on a regular basis, moving them forward, backward, cancelling them all together. These changes are usually done several days, weeks or months in advance. But sadly MANY travelers never bother to recheck their itineraries, and thus get caught unaware by the changes. And most check in counter agents assume the traveler is paying attention, so don't point out schedule changes at check in time.
Airlines can reschedule flights on the day of travel due to a specific issue on that date (such as an incoming hurricane, severe winter storm, etc). When they make these last minute changes, they try to contact passengers via email sms or phone numbers. But if you are traveling or if you left your home number on the booking but are at work, these notifications don't get through in a timely manner.
The date the OP mentioned where there were multiple flights moved up, likely had a weather related issue at the departure airport or an upstream airport. The grumbling passenger was probably just that a grumbler, trying to get sympathy by exaggerating his situation.
answered Jan 12 '17 at 1:26
user13044
1
So something like repositioning aircraft (even at the expense of flying empty) to avoid being snowed in or such like?
– pnuts
Jan 12 '17 at 1:37
@pnuts Yes, but they try to get as many passengers notified and on that plane as they can, less folks to re-route later. Travelers tend to view the plane for their flight only, but most aircraft have multiple flights (as do the crews) each day and not having the plane in position can have a cascading effect.
– user13044
Jan 12 '17 at 2:33
All true but 4 hours seems far too long to catch up in one day. Maybe 10 minutes is plausible, if not loading a full complement. If the other 3hrs+ is from earlier stopovers, won't there be many planeloads of other passengers inconvenienced - or are they found space on other flights?
– pnuts
Jan 12 '17 at 2:37
1
We have no idea where the planes were going in the situation mentioned. There could have been an upstream issue that they wanted to get planes in & out of the next airport. I had a flight moved forward by four hours for that exact reason, a typhoon heading towards the next airport and they wanted to get planes in and out of the airport well ahead of the storm's anticipated landfall.
– user13044
Jan 12 '17 at 3:02
Check in counters in my experience are pretty good about telling you of changes, and if you checked in 30 mins before departure as the OP claimed he did they would definitely say something.
– DJClayworth
Jan 12 '17 at 4:07
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show 6 more comments
1
So something like repositioning aircraft (even at the expense of flying empty) to avoid being snowed in or such like?
– pnuts
Jan 12 '17 at 1:37
@pnuts Yes, but they try to get as many passengers notified and on that plane as they can, less folks to re-route later. Travelers tend to view the plane for their flight only, but most aircraft have multiple flights (as do the crews) each day and not having the plane in position can have a cascading effect.
– user13044
Jan 12 '17 at 2:33
All true but 4 hours seems far too long to catch up in one day. Maybe 10 minutes is plausible, if not loading a full complement. If the other 3hrs+ is from earlier stopovers, won't there be many planeloads of other passengers inconvenienced - or are they found space on other flights?
– pnuts
Jan 12 '17 at 2:37
1
We have no idea where the planes were going in the situation mentioned. There could have been an upstream issue that they wanted to get planes in & out of the next airport. I had a flight moved forward by four hours for that exact reason, a typhoon heading towards the next airport and they wanted to get planes in and out of the airport well ahead of the storm's anticipated landfall.
– user13044
Jan 12 '17 at 3:02
Check in counters in my experience are pretty good about telling you of changes, and if you checked in 30 mins before departure as the OP claimed he did they would definitely say something.
– DJClayworth
Jan 12 '17 at 4:07
1
1
So something like repositioning aircraft (even at the expense of flying empty) to avoid being snowed in or such like?
– pnuts
Jan 12 '17 at 1:37
So something like repositioning aircraft (even at the expense of flying empty) to avoid being snowed in or such like?
– pnuts
Jan 12 '17 at 1:37
@pnuts Yes, but they try to get as many passengers notified and on that plane as they can, less folks to re-route later. Travelers tend to view the plane for their flight only, but most aircraft have multiple flights (as do the crews) each day and not having the plane in position can have a cascading effect.
– user13044
Jan 12 '17 at 2:33
@pnuts Yes, but they try to get as many passengers notified and on that plane as they can, less folks to re-route later. Travelers tend to view the plane for their flight only, but most aircraft have multiple flights (as do the crews) each day and not having the plane in position can have a cascading effect.
– user13044
Jan 12 '17 at 2:33
All true but 4 hours seems far too long to catch up in one day. Maybe 10 minutes is plausible, if not loading a full complement. If the other 3hrs+ is from earlier stopovers, won't there be many planeloads of other passengers inconvenienced - or are they found space on other flights?
– pnuts
Jan 12 '17 at 2:37
All true but 4 hours seems far too long to catch up in one day. Maybe 10 minutes is plausible, if not loading a full complement. If the other 3hrs+ is from earlier stopovers, won't there be many planeloads of other passengers inconvenienced - or are they found space on other flights?
– pnuts
Jan 12 '17 at 2:37
1
1
We have no idea where the planes were going in the situation mentioned. There could have been an upstream issue that they wanted to get planes in & out of the next airport. I had a flight moved forward by four hours for that exact reason, a typhoon heading towards the next airport and they wanted to get planes in and out of the airport well ahead of the storm's anticipated landfall.
– user13044
Jan 12 '17 at 3:02
We have no idea where the planes were going in the situation mentioned. There could have been an upstream issue that they wanted to get planes in & out of the next airport. I had a flight moved forward by four hours for that exact reason, a typhoon heading towards the next airport and they wanted to get planes in and out of the airport well ahead of the storm's anticipated landfall.
– user13044
Jan 12 '17 at 3:02
Check in counters in my experience are pretty good about telling you of changes, and if you checked in 30 mins before departure as the OP claimed he did they would definitely say something.
– DJClayworth
Jan 12 '17 at 4:07
Check in counters in my experience are pretty good about telling you of changes, and if you checked in 30 mins before departure as the OP claimed he did they would definitely say something.
– DJClayworth
Jan 12 '17 at 4:07
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show 6 more comments
8
For flight had also been moved earlier by more than four hours do you have the flight number, airport, date and time? What you report sounds highly implausible.
– pnuts
Jan 11 '17 at 21:45
4
Redact the personal part?
– pnuts
Jan 11 '17 at 22:29
6
If you won't share them your point is moot... I don't believe any airline actually moved up their scheduled flight by that long.
– JonathanReez♦
Jan 11 '17 at 22:30
7
What is "all that personal information" about a flight number?!
– Michael Hampton
Jan 12 '17 at 2:30
2
If you don't want to give a flight number, date airline and departure airport might help.
– DJClayworth
Jan 12 '17 at 4:26