Consular assistance for Australians in Crimea
One concern I have about visiting Crimea is whether I can receive consular assistance. The Australian government does not recognise Russia's control of Crimea, and that limits the ability of it to provide consular assistance. I don't have citizenship or permanent residency in any other country.
I don't usually think about whether I need consular assistance, but the state of rule of law in Russia means I'm more concerned about it than for other countries I visit.
Are there any alternatives for consular assistance, such as a third-party country (perhaps Switzerland?) providing consular assistance?
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One concern I have about visiting Crimea is whether I can receive consular assistance. The Australian government does not recognise Russia's control of Crimea, and that limits the ability of it to provide consular assistance. I don't have citizenship or permanent residency in any other country.
I don't usually think about whether I need consular assistance, but the state of rule of law in Russia means I'm more concerned about it than for other countries I visit.
Are there any alternatives for consular assistance, such as a third-party country (perhaps Switzerland?) providing consular assistance?
australian-citizens disputed-territories crimea
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When are you contemplating travel there?
– pnuts
Feb 17 '17 at 23:32
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@pnuts this June.
– Andrew Grimm
Feb 17 '17 at 23:33
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Crimea is officially on the Australian governments "do not travel" list. Please do not expect the government to help you at all if you are stupid enough to travel there.
– Doc
Feb 18 '17 at 2:47
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The Australia, US and UK governments all say "Don't travel" (and I'm sure most others say the same - they are just the 3 I checked). The private travel security company we use says "Don't travel". And you're going to believe what someone says on a travel forum?
– Doc
Feb 18 '17 at 7:04
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@Doc saying "it's okay to travel" would imply that they accept the Russian takeover, so they keep issuing these warning. Also note that they can't explain what exactly is so dangerous about Crimea, unlike their travel warnings for Donbass.
– JonathanReez♦
Feb 18 '17 at 23:08
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One concern I have about visiting Crimea is whether I can receive consular assistance. The Australian government does not recognise Russia's control of Crimea, and that limits the ability of it to provide consular assistance. I don't have citizenship or permanent residency in any other country.
I don't usually think about whether I need consular assistance, but the state of rule of law in Russia means I'm more concerned about it than for other countries I visit.
Are there any alternatives for consular assistance, such as a third-party country (perhaps Switzerland?) providing consular assistance?
australian-citizens disputed-territories crimea
One concern I have about visiting Crimea is whether I can receive consular assistance. The Australian government does not recognise Russia's control of Crimea, and that limits the ability of it to provide consular assistance. I don't have citizenship or permanent residency in any other country.
I don't usually think about whether I need consular assistance, but the state of rule of law in Russia means I'm more concerned about it than for other countries I visit.
Are there any alternatives for consular assistance, such as a third-party country (perhaps Switzerland?) providing consular assistance?
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australian-citizens disputed-territories crimea
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When are you contemplating travel there?
– pnuts
Feb 17 '17 at 23:32
3
@pnuts this June.
– Andrew Grimm
Feb 17 '17 at 23:33
7
Crimea is officially on the Australian governments "do not travel" list. Please do not expect the government to help you at all if you are stupid enough to travel there.
– Doc
Feb 18 '17 at 2:47
6
The Australia, US and UK governments all say "Don't travel" (and I'm sure most others say the same - they are just the 3 I checked). The private travel security company we use says "Don't travel". And you're going to believe what someone says on a travel forum?
– Doc
Feb 18 '17 at 7:04
5
@Doc saying "it's okay to travel" would imply that they accept the Russian takeover, so they keep issuing these warning. Also note that they can't explain what exactly is so dangerous about Crimea, unlike their travel warnings for Donbass.
– JonathanReez♦
Feb 18 '17 at 23:08
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show 1 more comment
2
When are you contemplating travel there?
– pnuts
Feb 17 '17 at 23:32
3
@pnuts this June.
– Andrew Grimm
Feb 17 '17 at 23:33
7
Crimea is officially on the Australian governments "do not travel" list. Please do not expect the government to help you at all if you are stupid enough to travel there.
– Doc
Feb 18 '17 at 2:47
6
The Australia, US and UK governments all say "Don't travel" (and I'm sure most others say the same - they are just the 3 I checked). The private travel security company we use says "Don't travel". And you're going to believe what someone says on a travel forum?
– Doc
Feb 18 '17 at 7:04
5
@Doc saying "it's okay to travel" would imply that they accept the Russian takeover, so they keep issuing these warning. Also note that they can't explain what exactly is so dangerous about Crimea, unlike their travel warnings for Donbass.
– JonathanReez♦
Feb 18 '17 at 23:08
2
2
When are you contemplating travel there?
– pnuts
Feb 17 '17 at 23:32
When are you contemplating travel there?
– pnuts
Feb 17 '17 at 23:32
3
3
@pnuts this June.
– Andrew Grimm
Feb 17 '17 at 23:33
@pnuts this June.
– Andrew Grimm
Feb 17 '17 at 23:33
7
7
Crimea is officially on the Australian governments "do not travel" list. Please do not expect the government to help you at all if you are stupid enough to travel there.
– Doc
Feb 18 '17 at 2:47
Crimea is officially on the Australian governments "do not travel" list. Please do not expect the government to help you at all if you are stupid enough to travel there.
– Doc
Feb 18 '17 at 2:47
6
6
The Australia, US and UK governments all say "Don't travel" (and I'm sure most others say the same - they are just the 3 I checked). The private travel security company we use says "Don't travel". And you're going to believe what someone says on a travel forum?
– Doc
Feb 18 '17 at 7:04
The Australia, US and UK governments all say "Don't travel" (and I'm sure most others say the same - they are just the 3 I checked). The private travel security company we use says "Don't travel". And you're going to believe what someone says on a travel forum?
– Doc
Feb 18 '17 at 7:04
5
5
@Doc saying "it's okay to travel" would imply that they accept the Russian takeover, so they keep issuing these warning. Also note that they can't explain what exactly is so dangerous about Crimea, unlike their travel warnings for Donbass.
– JonathanReez♦
Feb 18 '17 at 23:08
@Doc saying "it's okay to travel" would imply that they accept the Russian takeover, so they keep issuing these warning. Also note that they can't explain what exactly is so dangerous about Crimea, unlike their travel warnings for Donbass.
– JonathanReez♦
Feb 18 '17 at 23:08
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Consular assistance in Crimea itself will be limited; as such you should head for mainland Russia and contact the Australian embassy in Moscow in case of any issues.
That said, Crimea is no longer particularly unsafe, no matter what some governments keep saying (mostly out of disapproval at the fact that Crimea is now part of Russia) and if you stick to common sense and the usual precautions, you should have an enjoyable trip.
In particular, if you follow the laws, getting arrested by corrupt officials and extorted isn't an issue for tourists in the area.
Remember the following:
Crimea is only accessible by domestic flights from elsewhere in Russia, or by the Kerch ferry
Logically, then, you need to apply for a Russian visa to get there - Ukrainian ones aren't valid.
I am positive that no country anywhere makes statements "out of bitterness ..."
– CGCampbell
Feb 23 '17 at 0:31
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@CGCampbell It's the same thing wih Kosovo. Been across that country several times though, no danger whatsoever
– Crazydre
Feb 23 '17 at 8:57
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Of course there's danger. There are still minefields to be avoided. This is part of the problem with questions like this... the danger, and the questioner's ability/willingness to face it, are to a large extent, opinion based. The fact of the minefields isn't opinion. Whether someone considers them unacceptable danger is. The fact of a lack of consular support in Crimea isn't opinion. Whether the OP chooses to view that as acceptable is. My comment was pointed at your 'dig' at Australia (and the UK and US) by implying that their lack of acceptance of Crimea's new 'ownership' as 'bitterness'.
– CGCampbell
Feb 23 '17 at 19:14
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Anyhow, I don't think “bitterness” is the right word, “disapproval” might be more accurate. And don't forget that entering Crimea from Russia can also create real issues with the Ukrainian authorities, which is an objective reason to be careful. The French Ministry of Foreign Affairs is quite explicit about the fact that the lack of recognition is the reason why Crimea is in the orange “avoid travel” category (there is also a red “don't travel” category covering parts of Donbass).
– Relaxed
Feb 24 '17 at 0:08
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@Relaxed Changed the word. Also, unless having passport stamps from Krasnodar airport (closest international airport to Crimea), how would the Ukrainians even remotely suspect you of having been to Crimea?
– Crazydre
Feb 24 '17 at 0:30
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From the first page that you should look to, your goverments consular advice:
Crimea, do not travel
We advise against all travel here due to the very high risk. If you do travel, you should typically seek professional security advice. Be aware that regular travel insurance policies will be void and that the Australian Government is unlikely to be able to provide consular assistance.
(Emphasis mine, but basically I would like to highlight all of that text.)
As you say the problem of providing consular assistance stems from the fact that Crimea is not recognized as Russian territory by Australia. The same holds for any other UN member nation, except Afghanistan, Cuba, Kyrgyzstan, Nicaragua, North Korea, Syria and Venezuela. Now I'm not sure how friendly your government is with the Nicaraguans, but I find it unlikely that the North Koreans will issue you a temporary passport should you loose yours at the beach. Note that the Smarttraveller advice for Crimea is:
If you are unable to leave, avoid demonstrations and large public gatherings.
And even within Ukraine your consulate would only issue documents for emergency travel to your embassy in Warsaw:
Australia has an Embassy in Kyiv, as well as a Consulate, headed by an Honorary Consul. The Consulate should be approached in the first instance for all routine consular enquiries. The Australian Embassy in Warsaw manages passport matters for the Consulate in Kyiv. The Consulate in Kyiv is able to issue Provisional Travel Documents for emergency travel to our Embassy in Warsaw, and is able to receive passport renewal applications and send them to Warsaw for processing (the wait time can be several weeks). The Consulate does not issue Australian passports.
If @Doc in his +1ed comments and this has not convinced you yet, let me summarize:
Do not count on any consular assistance available to you.
If you are concerned about access to consular assistance, it is a stupid idea to consider travel to Crimea at this moment, given especially that you have previously demonstrated being of the more risk-averse type, being concerned about alcohol exclusions in your travel insurance policy and lack of manhole covers in Mongolia. Be aware that no standard travel insurance policy will cover Crimea at this moment.
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Couldn't OP just fly to Moscow and get help there if needed? It's not like Australia would help him out too much if he needs a new passport around Vladivostok or another remote region of Russia.
– JonathanReez♦
Feb 18 '17 at 22:59
Did you mean "UN member nations"?
– phoog
Feb 19 '17 at 5:01
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@mts I don't imagine the Australians to be of much use either if OP is stuck in a small regional city, e.g. Voronezh or Krasnoyarsk. You can travel within Russia with a police report about a stolen passport.
– JonathanReez♦
Feb 22 '17 at 22:00
1
@mts wrongly jailed by corrupt police was what I had in mind.
– Andrew Grimm
Feb 23 '17 at 12:42
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@AndrewGrimm THAT, I assure you, is unlikely to happen if you follow the laws
– Crazydre
Feb 23 '17 at 23:46
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Consular assistance in Crimea itself will be limited; as such you should head for mainland Russia and contact the Australian embassy in Moscow in case of any issues.
That said, Crimea is no longer particularly unsafe, no matter what some governments keep saying (mostly out of disapproval at the fact that Crimea is now part of Russia) and if you stick to common sense and the usual precautions, you should have an enjoyable trip.
In particular, if you follow the laws, getting arrested by corrupt officials and extorted isn't an issue for tourists in the area.
Remember the following:
Crimea is only accessible by domestic flights from elsewhere in Russia, or by the Kerch ferry
Logically, then, you need to apply for a Russian visa to get there - Ukrainian ones aren't valid.
I am positive that no country anywhere makes statements "out of bitterness ..."
– CGCampbell
Feb 23 '17 at 0:31
1
@CGCampbell It's the same thing wih Kosovo. Been across that country several times though, no danger whatsoever
– Crazydre
Feb 23 '17 at 8:57
1
Of course there's danger. There are still minefields to be avoided. This is part of the problem with questions like this... the danger, and the questioner's ability/willingness to face it, are to a large extent, opinion based. The fact of the minefields isn't opinion. Whether someone considers them unacceptable danger is. The fact of a lack of consular support in Crimea isn't opinion. Whether the OP chooses to view that as acceptable is. My comment was pointed at your 'dig' at Australia (and the UK and US) by implying that their lack of acceptance of Crimea's new 'ownership' as 'bitterness'.
– CGCampbell
Feb 23 '17 at 19:14
1
Anyhow, I don't think “bitterness” is the right word, “disapproval” might be more accurate. And don't forget that entering Crimea from Russia can also create real issues with the Ukrainian authorities, which is an objective reason to be careful. The French Ministry of Foreign Affairs is quite explicit about the fact that the lack of recognition is the reason why Crimea is in the orange “avoid travel” category (there is also a red “don't travel” category covering parts of Donbass).
– Relaxed
Feb 24 '17 at 0:08
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@Relaxed Changed the word. Also, unless having passport stamps from Krasnodar airport (closest international airport to Crimea), how would the Ukrainians even remotely suspect you of having been to Crimea?
– Crazydre
Feb 24 '17 at 0:30
add a comment |
Consular assistance in Crimea itself will be limited; as such you should head for mainland Russia and contact the Australian embassy in Moscow in case of any issues.
That said, Crimea is no longer particularly unsafe, no matter what some governments keep saying (mostly out of disapproval at the fact that Crimea is now part of Russia) and if you stick to common sense and the usual precautions, you should have an enjoyable trip.
In particular, if you follow the laws, getting arrested by corrupt officials and extorted isn't an issue for tourists in the area.
Remember the following:
Crimea is only accessible by domestic flights from elsewhere in Russia, or by the Kerch ferry
Logically, then, you need to apply for a Russian visa to get there - Ukrainian ones aren't valid.
I am positive that no country anywhere makes statements "out of bitterness ..."
– CGCampbell
Feb 23 '17 at 0:31
1
@CGCampbell It's the same thing wih Kosovo. Been across that country several times though, no danger whatsoever
– Crazydre
Feb 23 '17 at 8:57
1
Of course there's danger. There are still minefields to be avoided. This is part of the problem with questions like this... the danger, and the questioner's ability/willingness to face it, are to a large extent, opinion based. The fact of the minefields isn't opinion. Whether someone considers them unacceptable danger is. The fact of a lack of consular support in Crimea isn't opinion. Whether the OP chooses to view that as acceptable is. My comment was pointed at your 'dig' at Australia (and the UK and US) by implying that their lack of acceptance of Crimea's new 'ownership' as 'bitterness'.
– CGCampbell
Feb 23 '17 at 19:14
1
Anyhow, I don't think “bitterness” is the right word, “disapproval” might be more accurate. And don't forget that entering Crimea from Russia can also create real issues with the Ukrainian authorities, which is an objective reason to be careful. The French Ministry of Foreign Affairs is quite explicit about the fact that the lack of recognition is the reason why Crimea is in the orange “avoid travel” category (there is also a red “don't travel” category covering parts of Donbass).
– Relaxed
Feb 24 '17 at 0:08
1
@Relaxed Changed the word. Also, unless having passport stamps from Krasnodar airport (closest international airport to Crimea), how would the Ukrainians even remotely suspect you of having been to Crimea?
– Crazydre
Feb 24 '17 at 0:30
add a comment |
Consular assistance in Crimea itself will be limited; as such you should head for mainland Russia and contact the Australian embassy in Moscow in case of any issues.
That said, Crimea is no longer particularly unsafe, no matter what some governments keep saying (mostly out of disapproval at the fact that Crimea is now part of Russia) and if you stick to common sense and the usual precautions, you should have an enjoyable trip.
In particular, if you follow the laws, getting arrested by corrupt officials and extorted isn't an issue for tourists in the area.
Remember the following:
Crimea is only accessible by domestic flights from elsewhere in Russia, or by the Kerch ferry
Logically, then, you need to apply for a Russian visa to get there - Ukrainian ones aren't valid.
Consular assistance in Crimea itself will be limited; as such you should head for mainland Russia and contact the Australian embassy in Moscow in case of any issues.
That said, Crimea is no longer particularly unsafe, no matter what some governments keep saying (mostly out of disapproval at the fact that Crimea is now part of Russia) and if you stick to common sense and the usual precautions, you should have an enjoyable trip.
In particular, if you follow the laws, getting arrested by corrupt officials and extorted isn't an issue for tourists in the area.
Remember the following:
Crimea is only accessible by domestic flights from elsewhere in Russia, or by the Kerch ferry
Logically, then, you need to apply for a Russian visa to get there - Ukrainian ones aren't valid.
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answered Feb 18 '17 at 8:53
Crazydre
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I am positive that no country anywhere makes statements "out of bitterness ..."
– CGCampbell
Feb 23 '17 at 0:31
1
@CGCampbell It's the same thing wih Kosovo. Been across that country several times though, no danger whatsoever
– Crazydre
Feb 23 '17 at 8:57
1
Of course there's danger. There are still minefields to be avoided. This is part of the problem with questions like this... the danger, and the questioner's ability/willingness to face it, are to a large extent, opinion based. The fact of the minefields isn't opinion. Whether someone considers them unacceptable danger is. The fact of a lack of consular support in Crimea isn't opinion. Whether the OP chooses to view that as acceptable is. My comment was pointed at your 'dig' at Australia (and the UK and US) by implying that their lack of acceptance of Crimea's new 'ownership' as 'bitterness'.
– CGCampbell
Feb 23 '17 at 19:14
1
Anyhow, I don't think “bitterness” is the right word, “disapproval” might be more accurate. And don't forget that entering Crimea from Russia can also create real issues with the Ukrainian authorities, which is an objective reason to be careful. The French Ministry of Foreign Affairs is quite explicit about the fact that the lack of recognition is the reason why Crimea is in the orange “avoid travel” category (there is also a red “don't travel” category covering parts of Donbass).
– Relaxed
Feb 24 '17 at 0:08
1
@Relaxed Changed the word. Also, unless having passport stamps from Krasnodar airport (closest international airport to Crimea), how would the Ukrainians even remotely suspect you of having been to Crimea?
– Crazydre
Feb 24 '17 at 0:30
add a comment |
I am positive that no country anywhere makes statements "out of bitterness ..."
– CGCampbell
Feb 23 '17 at 0:31
1
@CGCampbell It's the same thing wih Kosovo. Been across that country several times though, no danger whatsoever
– Crazydre
Feb 23 '17 at 8:57
1
Of course there's danger. There are still minefields to be avoided. This is part of the problem with questions like this... the danger, and the questioner's ability/willingness to face it, are to a large extent, opinion based. The fact of the minefields isn't opinion. Whether someone considers them unacceptable danger is. The fact of a lack of consular support in Crimea isn't opinion. Whether the OP chooses to view that as acceptable is. My comment was pointed at your 'dig' at Australia (and the UK and US) by implying that their lack of acceptance of Crimea's new 'ownership' as 'bitterness'.
– CGCampbell
Feb 23 '17 at 19:14
1
Anyhow, I don't think “bitterness” is the right word, “disapproval” might be more accurate. And don't forget that entering Crimea from Russia can also create real issues with the Ukrainian authorities, which is an objective reason to be careful. The French Ministry of Foreign Affairs is quite explicit about the fact that the lack of recognition is the reason why Crimea is in the orange “avoid travel” category (there is also a red “don't travel” category covering parts of Donbass).
– Relaxed
Feb 24 '17 at 0:08
1
@Relaxed Changed the word. Also, unless having passport stamps from Krasnodar airport (closest international airport to Crimea), how would the Ukrainians even remotely suspect you of having been to Crimea?
– Crazydre
Feb 24 '17 at 0:30
I am positive that no country anywhere makes statements "out of bitterness ..."
– CGCampbell
Feb 23 '17 at 0:31
I am positive that no country anywhere makes statements "out of bitterness ..."
– CGCampbell
Feb 23 '17 at 0:31
1
1
@CGCampbell It's the same thing wih Kosovo. Been across that country several times though, no danger whatsoever
– Crazydre
Feb 23 '17 at 8:57
@CGCampbell It's the same thing wih Kosovo. Been across that country several times though, no danger whatsoever
– Crazydre
Feb 23 '17 at 8:57
1
1
Of course there's danger. There are still minefields to be avoided. This is part of the problem with questions like this... the danger, and the questioner's ability/willingness to face it, are to a large extent, opinion based. The fact of the minefields isn't opinion. Whether someone considers them unacceptable danger is. The fact of a lack of consular support in Crimea isn't opinion. Whether the OP chooses to view that as acceptable is. My comment was pointed at your 'dig' at Australia (and the UK and US) by implying that their lack of acceptance of Crimea's new 'ownership' as 'bitterness'.
– CGCampbell
Feb 23 '17 at 19:14
Of course there's danger. There are still minefields to be avoided. This is part of the problem with questions like this... the danger, and the questioner's ability/willingness to face it, are to a large extent, opinion based. The fact of the minefields isn't opinion. Whether someone considers them unacceptable danger is. The fact of a lack of consular support in Crimea isn't opinion. Whether the OP chooses to view that as acceptable is. My comment was pointed at your 'dig' at Australia (and the UK and US) by implying that their lack of acceptance of Crimea's new 'ownership' as 'bitterness'.
– CGCampbell
Feb 23 '17 at 19:14
1
1
Anyhow, I don't think “bitterness” is the right word, “disapproval” might be more accurate. And don't forget that entering Crimea from Russia can also create real issues with the Ukrainian authorities, which is an objective reason to be careful. The French Ministry of Foreign Affairs is quite explicit about the fact that the lack of recognition is the reason why Crimea is in the orange “avoid travel” category (there is also a red “don't travel” category covering parts of Donbass).
– Relaxed
Feb 24 '17 at 0:08
Anyhow, I don't think “bitterness” is the right word, “disapproval” might be more accurate. And don't forget that entering Crimea from Russia can also create real issues with the Ukrainian authorities, which is an objective reason to be careful. The French Ministry of Foreign Affairs is quite explicit about the fact that the lack of recognition is the reason why Crimea is in the orange “avoid travel” category (there is also a red “don't travel” category covering parts of Donbass).
– Relaxed
Feb 24 '17 at 0:08
1
1
@Relaxed Changed the word. Also, unless having passport stamps from Krasnodar airport (closest international airport to Crimea), how would the Ukrainians even remotely suspect you of having been to Crimea?
– Crazydre
Feb 24 '17 at 0:30
@Relaxed Changed the word. Also, unless having passport stamps from Krasnodar airport (closest international airport to Crimea), how would the Ukrainians even remotely suspect you of having been to Crimea?
– Crazydre
Feb 24 '17 at 0:30
add a comment |
From the first page that you should look to, your goverments consular advice:
Crimea, do not travel
We advise against all travel here due to the very high risk. If you do travel, you should typically seek professional security advice. Be aware that regular travel insurance policies will be void and that the Australian Government is unlikely to be able to provide consular assistance.
(Emphasis mine, but basically I would like to highlight all of that text.)
As you say the problem of providing consular assistance stems from the fact that Crimea is not recognized as Russian territory by Australia. The same holds for any other UN member nation, except Afghanistan, Cuba, Kyrgyzstan, Nicaragua, North Korea, Syria and Venezuela. Now I'm not sure how friendly your government is with the Nicaraguans, but I find it unlikely that the North Koreans will issue you a temporary passport should you loose yours at the beach. Note that the Smarttraveller advice for Crimea is:
If you are unable to leave, avoid demonstrations and large public gatherings.
And even within Ukraine your consulate would only issue documents for emergency travel to your embassy in Warsaw:
Australia has an Embassy in Kyiv, as well as a Consulate, headed by an Honorary Consul. The Consulate should be approached in the first instance for all routine consular enquiries. The Australian Embassy in Warsaw manages passport matters for the Consulate in Kyiv. The Consulate in Kyiv is able to issue Provisional Travel Documents for emergency travel to our Embassy in Warsaw, and is able to receive passport renewal applications and send them to Warsaw for processing (the wait time can be several weeks). The Consulate does not issue Australian passports.
If @Doc in his +1ed comments and this has not convinced you yet, let me summarize:
Do not count on any consular assistance available to you.
If you are concerned about access to consular assistance, it is a stupid idea to consider travel to Crimea at this moment, given especially that you have previously demonstrated being of the more risk-averse type, being concerned about alcohol exclusions in your travel insurance policy and lack of manhole covers in Mongolia. Be aware that no standard travel insurance policy will cover Crimea at this moment.
2
Couldn't OP just fly to Moscow and get help there if needed? It's not like Australia would help him out too much if he needs a new passport around Vladivostok or another remote region of Russia.
– JonathanReez♦
Feb 18 '17 at 22:59
Did you mean "UN member nations"?
– phoog
Feb 19 '17 at 5:01
1
@mts I don't imagine the Australians to be of much use either if OP is stuck in a small regional city, e.g. Voronezh or Krasnoyarsk. You can travel within Russia with a police report about a stolen passport.
– JonathanReez♦
Feb 22 '17 at 22:00
1
@mts wrongly jailed by corrupt police was what I had in mind.
– Andrew Grimm
Feb 23 '17 at 12:42
1
@AndrewGrimm THAT, I assure you, is unlikely to happen if you follow the laws
– Crazydre
Feb 23 '17 at 23:46
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From the first page that you should look to, your goverments consular advice:
Crimea, do not travel
We advise against all travel here due to the very high risk. If you do travel, you should typically seek professional security advice. Be aware that regular travel insurance policies will be void and that the Australian Government is unlikely to be able to provide consular assistance.
(Emphasis mine, but basically I would like to highlight all of that text.)
As you say the problem of providing consular assistance stems from the fact that Crimea is not recognized as Russian territory by Australia. The same holds for any other UN member nation, except Afghanistan, Cuba, Kyrgyzstan, Nicaragua, North Korea, Syria and Venezuela. Now I'm not sure how friendly your government is with the Nicaraguans, but I find it unlikely that the North Koreans will issue you a temporary passport should you loose yours at the beach. Note that the Smarttraveller advice for Crimea is:
If you are unable to leave, avoid demonstrations and large public gatherings.
And even within Ukraine your consulate would only issue documents for emergency travel to your embassy in Warsaw:
Australia has an Embassy in Kyiv, as well as a Consulate, headed by an Honorary Consul. The Consulate should be approached in the first instance for all routine consular enquiries. The Australian Embassy in Warsaw manages passport matters for the Consulate in Kyiv. The Consulate in Kyiv is able to issue Provisional Travel Documents for emergency travel to our Embassy in Warsaw, and is able to receive passport renewal applications and send them to Warsaw for processing (the wait time can be several weeks). The Consulate does not issue Australian passports.
If @Doc in his +1ed comments and this has not convinced you yet, let me summarize:
Do not count on any consular assistance available to you.
If you are concerned about access to consular assistance, it is a stupid idea to consider travel to Crimea at this moment, given especially that you have previously demonstrated being of the more risk-averse type, being concerned about alcohol exclusions in your travel insurance policy and lack of manhole covers in Mongolia. Be aware that no standard travel insurance policy will cover Crimea at this moment.
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Couldn't OP just fly to Moscow and get help there if needed? It's not like Australia would help him out too much if he needs a new passport around Vladivostok or another remote region of Russia.
– JonathanReez♦
Feb 18 '17 at 22:59
Did you mean "UN member nations"?
– phoog
Feb 19 '17 at 5:01
1
@mts I don't imagine the Australians to be of much use either if OP is stuck in a small regional city, e.g. Voronezh or Krasnoyarsk. You can travel within Russia with a police report about a stolen passport.
– JonathanReez♦
Feb 22 '17 at 22:00
1
@mts wrongly jailed by corrupt police was what I had in mind.
– Andrew Grimm
Feb 23 '17 at 12:42
1
@AndrewGrimm THAT, I assure you, is unlikely to happen if you follow the laws
– Crazydre
Feb 23 '17 at 23:46
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From the first page that you should look to, your goverments consular advice:
Crimea, do not travel
We advise against all travel here due to the very high risk. If you do travel, you should typically seek professional security advice. Be aware that regular travel insurance policies will be void and that the Australian Government is unlikely to be able to provide consular assistance.
(Emphasis mine, but basically I would like to highlight all of that text.)
As you say the problem of providing consular assistance stems from the fact that Crimea is not recognized as Russian territory by Australia. The same holds for any other UN member nation, except Afghanistan, Cuba, Kyrgyzstan, Nicaragua, North Korea, Syria and Venezuela. Now I'm not sure how friendly your government is with the Nicaraguans, but I find it unlikely that the North Koreans will issue you a temporary passport should you loose yours at the beach. Note that the Smarttraveller advice for Crimea is:
If you are unable to leave, avoid demonstrations and large public gatherings.
And even within Ukraine your consulate would only issue documents for emergency travel to your embassy in Warsaw:
Australia has an Embassy in Kyiv, as well as a Consulate, headed by an Honorary Consul. The Consulate should be approached in the first instance for all routine consular enquiries. The Australian Embassy in Warsaw manages passport matters for the Consulate in Kyiv. The Consulate in Kyiv is able to issue Provisional Travel Documents for emergency travel to our Embassy in Warsaw, and is able to receive passport renewal applications and send them to Warsaw for processing (the wait time can be several weeks). The Consulate does not issue Australian passports.
If @Doc in his +1ed comments and this has not convinced you yet, let me summarize:
Do not count on any consular assistance available to you.
If you are concerned about access to consular assistance, it is a stupid idea to consider travel to Crimea at this moment, given especially that you have previously demonstrated being of the more risk-averse type, being concerned about alcohol exclusions in your travel insurance policy and lack of manhole covers in Mongolia. Be aware that no standard travel insurance policy will cover Crimea at this moment.
From the first page that you should look to, your goverments consular advice:
Crimea, do not travel
We advise against all travel here due to the very high risk. If you do travel, you should typically seek professional security advice. Be aware that regular travel insurance policies will be void and that the Australian Government is unlikely to be able to provide consular assistance.
(Emphasis mine, but basically I would like to highlight all of that text.)
As you say the problem of providing consular assistance stems from the fact that Crimea is not recognized as Russian territory by Australia. The same holds for any other UN member nation, except Afghanistan, Cuba, Kyrgyzstan, Nicaragua, North Korea, Syria and Venezuela. Now I'm not sure how friendly your government is with the Nicaraguans, but I find it unlikely that the North Koreans will issue you a temporary passport should you loose yours at the beach. Note that the Smarttraveller advice for Crimea is:
If you are unable to leave, avoid demonstrations and large public gatherings.
And even within Ukraine your consulate would only issue documents for emergency travel to your embassy in Warsaw:
Australia has an Embassy in Kyiv, as well as a Consulate, headed by an Honorary Consul. The Consulate should be approached in the first instance for all routine consular enquiries. The Australian Embassy in Warsaw manages passport matters for the Consulate in Kyiv. The Consulate in Kyiv is able to issue Provisional Travel Documents for emergency travel to our Embassy in Warsaw, and is able to receive passport renewal applications and send them to Warsaw for processing (the wait time can be several weeks). The Consulate does not issue Australian passports.
If @Doc in his +1ed comments and this has not convinced you yet, let me summarize:
Do not count on any consular assistance available to you.
If you are concerned about access to consular assistance, it is a stupid idea to consider travel to Crimea at this moment, given especially that you have previously demonstrated being of the more risk-averse type, being concerned about alcohol exclusions in your travel insurance policy and lack of manhole covers in Mongolia. Be aware that no standard travel insurance policy will cover Crimea at this moment.
edited Apr 13 '17 at 12:52
Community♦
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answered Feb 18 '17 at 8:47
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Couldn't OP just fly to Moscow and get help there if needed? It's not like Australia would help him out too much if he needs a new passport around Vladivostok or another remote region of Russia.
– JonathanReez♦
Feb 18 '17 at 22:59
Did you mean "UN member nations"?
– phoog
Feb 19 '17 at 5:01
1
@mts I don't imagine the Australians to be of much use either if OP is stuck in a small regional city, e.g. Voronezh or Krasnoyarsk. You can travel within Russia with a police report about a stolen passport.
– JonathanReez♦
Feb 22 '17 at 22:00
1
@mts wrongly jailed by corrupt police was what I had in mind.
– Andrew Grimm
Feb 23 '17 at 12:42
1
@AndrewGrimm THAT, I assure you, is unlikely to happen if you follow the laws
– Crazydre
Feb 23 '17 at 23:46
|
show 3 more comments
2
Couldn't OP just fly to Moscow and get help there if needed? It's not like Australia would help him out too much if he needs a new passport around Vladivostok or another remote region of Russia.
– JonathanReez♦
Feb 18 '17 at 22:59
Did you mean "UN member nations"?
– phoog
Feb 19 '17 at 5:01
1
@mts I don't imagine the Australians to be of much use either if OP is stuck in a small regional city, e.g. Voronezh or Krasnoyarsk. You can travel within Russia with a police report about a stolen passport.
– JonathanReez♦
Feb 22 '17 at 22:00
1
@mts wrongly jailed by corrupt police was what I had in mind.
– Andrew Grimm
Feb 23 '17 at 12:42
1
@AndrewGrimm THAT, I assure you, is unlikely to happen if you follow the laws
– Crazydre
Feb 23 '17 at 23:46
2
2
Couldn't OP just fly to Moscow and get help there if needed? It's not like Australia would help him out too much if he needs a new passport around Vladivostok or another remote region of Russia.
– JonathanReez♦
Feb 18 '17 at 22:59
Couldn't OP just fly to Moscow and get help there if needed? It's not like Australia would help him out too much if he needs a new passport around Vladivostok or another remote region of Russia.
– JonathanReez♦
Feb 18 '17 at 22:59
Did you mean "UN member nations"?
– phoog
Feb 19 '17 at 5:01
Did you mean "UN member nations"?
– phoog
Feb 19 '17 at 5:01
1
1
@mts I don't imagine the Australians to be of much use either if OP is stuck in a small regional city, e.g. Voronezh or Krasnoyarsk. You can travel within Russia with a police report about a stolen passport.
– JonathanReez♦
Feb 22 '17 at 22:00
@mts I don't imagine the Australians to be of much use either if OP is stuck in a small regional city, e.g. Voronezh or Krasnoyarsk. You can travel within Russia with a police report about a stolen passport.
– JonathanReez♦
Feb 22 '17 at 22:00
1
1
@mts wrongly jailed by corrupt police was what I had in mind.
– Andrew Grimm
Feb 23 '17 at 12:42
@mts wrongly jailed by corrupt police was what I had in mind.
– Andrew Grimm
Feb 23 '17 at 12:42
1
1
@AndrewGrimm THAT, I assure you, is unlikely to happen if you follow the laws
– Crazydre
Feb 23 '17 at 23:46
@AndrewGrimm THAT, I assure you, is unlikely to happen if you follow the laws
– Crazydre
Feb 23 '17 at 23:46
|
show 3 more comments
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When are you contemplating travel there?
– pnuts
Feb 17 '17 at 23:32
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@pnuts this June.
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Crimea is officially on the Australian governments "do not travel" list. Please do not expect the government to help you at all if you are stupid enough to travel there.
– Doc
Feb 18 '17 at 2:47
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The Australia, US and UK governments all say "Don't travel" (and I'm sure most others say the same - they are just the 3 I checked). The private travel security company we use says "Don't travel". And you're going to believe what someone says on a travel forum?
– Doc
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@Doc saying "it's okay to travel" would imply that they accept the Russian takeover, so they keep issuing these warning. Also note that they can't explain what exactly is so dangerous about Crimea, unlike their travel warnings for Donbass.
– JonathanReez♦
Feb 18 '17 at 23:08