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Let's say I arrived on August 25th 2017 in Austria and filed for my residency thing that everyone has to do. Since my work was not able to get me a proper work visa, I was paid but I never got an e-card, they just got me private insurance. On my 89th day I filed with the residency people that I was leaving, but I never left. I left the Schengen area 3x, twice after my 90 days expired (to Romania), and had no issue. I am planning on going home in April. Question 1: Will I be banned from returning? for how long? Question 2: I have always wanted to see Morocco and want to do a trip there before leaving. Is this advisable seeing as I already entered/reentered?
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Let's say I arrived on August 25th 2017 in Austria and filed for my residency thing that everyone has to do. Since my work was not able to get me a proper work visa, I was paid but I never got an e-card, they just got me private insurance. On my 89th day I filed with the residency people that I was leaving, but I never left. I left the Schengen area 3x, twice after my 90 days expired (to Romania), and had no issue. I am planning on going home in April. Question 1: Will I be banned from returning? for how long? Question 2: I have always wanted to see Morocco and want to do a trip there before leaving. Is this advisable seeing as I already entered/reentered?
Thanks!
usa schengen austria morocco 90-180-visa-rules
asked Feb 26 at 11:31
Bob Sacamanno
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closed as off-topic by JonathanReez♦ Jun 14 at 5:29
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- "Questions about immigration or moving for extended periods of time (studies or employment, among others) are off-topic. Our sister site, Expatriates Stack Exchange might be a better place to ask. See also the meta post Is it OK to ask questions about immigration?." – JonathanReez
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Let's say I arrived on August 25th 2017 in Austria and filed for my residency thing that everyone has to do. Since my work was not able to get me a proper work visa, I was paid but I never got an e-card, they just got me private insurance. On my 89th day I filed with the residency people that I was leaving, but I never left. I left the Schengen area 3x, twice after my 90 days expired (to Romania), and had no issue. I am planning on going home in April. Question 1: Will I be banned from returning? for how long? Question 2: I have always wanted to see Morocco and want to do a trip there before leaving. Is this advisable seeing as I already entered/reentered?
Thanks!
usa schengen austria morocco 90-180-visa-rules
asked Feb 26 at 11:31
Bob Sacamanno
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Let's say I arrived on August 25th 2017 in Austria and filed for my residency thing that everyone has to do. Since my work was not able to get me a proper work visa, I was paid but I never got an e-card, they just got me private insurance. On my 89th day I filed with the residency people that I was leaving, but I never left. I left the Schengen area 3x, twice after my 90 days expired (to Romania), and had no issue. I am planning on going home in April. Question 1: Will I be banned from returning? for how long? Question 2: I have always wanted to see Morocco and want to do a trip there before leaving. Is this advisable seeing as I already entered/reentered?
Thanks!
usa schengen austria morocco 90-180-visa-rules
usa schengen austria morocco 90-180-visa-rules
asked Feb 26 at 11:31
Bob Sacamanno
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asked Feb 26 at 11:31
Bob Sacamanno
61
asked Feb 26 at 11:31
Bob Sacamanno
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asked Feb 26 at 11:31
Bob Sacamanno
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asked Feb 26 at 11:31
Bob Sacamanno
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closed as off-topic by JonathanReez♦ Jun 14 at 5:29
This question appears to be off-topic. The users who voted to close gave this specific reason:
- "Questions about immigration or moving for extended periods of time (studies or employment, among others) are off-topic. Our sister site, Expatriates Stack Exchange might be a better place to ask. See also the meta post Is it OK to ask questions about immigration?." – JonathanReez
closed as off-topic by JonathanReez♦ Jun 14 at 5:29
This question appears to be off-topic. The users who voted to close gave this specific reason:
- "Questions about immigration or moving for extended periods of time (studies or employment, among others) are off-topic. Our sister site, Expatriates Stack Exchange might be a better place to ask. See also the meta post Is it OK to ask questions about immigration?." – JonathanReez
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To summarize, you
- entered Austria the first time illegally (the visa-free possibilites from US to Schengen are limited to certain reasons, getting hired is not one of them).
- Worked illegally (illegal because no permit)
- Worked illegally (illegal because no insurance)
- Worked illegally (illegal because no taxes)
...
While I can't predict the future, a ban is certainly possible, as are formalized tax debts, fines, and legal actions against your employer.
No, I can't recommend you to rely on being able to enter again.
answered Feb 26 at 16:13
deviantfan
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Romania certainly counts as leaving the Schengen area for the purpose of the 90/180 calculation, and indeed for pretty much any purpose.
– phoog
Feb 26 at 16:27
@phoog Maybe you're right - recherching the current status more carefully, I'm not so sure anymore about the 90 days. (Sadly the position changes frequently now, and partially the countries have no consent themselves what the current status is)
– deviantfan
Feb 26 at 17:00
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It’s not clear from the original question if the asker actually work or only intended to work after obtaining the proper paperwork. Furthermore I would need to see a source to support the claim that US passport holders can not enter the Schengen zone visa free to be hired. Germany for instance allows US passport holder to enter visa free and then obtain a work permit after arrival.
– Jacob Horbulyk
Feb 26 at 18:18
@JacobHorbulyk On your latter point, I believe you are correct. Some countries do seem to separate the visa (permission to be in the country) entirely from permission to work, so those working for fewer than 90 days in a 180-day period can use a normal Schengen visa (or visa-free entry if they are eligible). I believe France is like this. Others may require a national visa even for short periods of work, but I don't know any off the top of my head. The Schengen codes do not say much about allowable purposes for short-stay visitors, so it may be left to national law.
– phoog
Feb 26 at 18:31
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@JacobHorbulyk OP says "I was paid." I assume he worked for the payment.
– mkennedy
Feb 27 at 0:15
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1 Answer
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To summarize, you
- entered Austria the first time illegally (the visa-free possibilites from US to Schengen are limited to certain reasons, getting hired is not one of them).
- Worked illegally (illegal because no permit)
- Worked illegally (illegal because no insurance)
- Worked illegally (illegal because no taxes)
...
While I can't predict the future, a ban is certainly possible, as are formalized tax debts, fines, and legal actions against your employer.
No, I can't recommend you to rely on being able to enter again.
answered Feb 26 at 16:13
deviantfan
1,82711617
Romania certainly counts as leaving the Schengen area for the purpose of the 90/180 calculation, and indeed for pretty much any purpose.
– phoog
Feb 26 at 16:27
@phoog Maybe you're right - recherching the current status more carefully, I'm not so sure anymore about the 90 days. (Sadly the position changes frequently now, and partially the countries have no consent themselves what the current status is)
– deviantfan
Feb 26 at 17:00
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It’s not clear from the original question if the asker actually work or only intended to work after obtaining the proper paperwork. Furthermore I would need to see a source to support the claim that US passport holders can not enter the Schengen zone visa free to be hired. Germany for instance allows US passport holder to enter visa free and then obtain a work permit after arrival.
– Jacob Horbulyk
Feb 26 at 18:18
@JacobHorbulyk On your latter point, I believe you are correct. Some countries do seem to separate the visa (permission to be in the country) entirely from permission to work, so those working for fewer than 90 days in a 180-day period can use a normal Schengen visa (or visa-free entry if they are eligible). I believe France is like this. Others may require a national visa even for short periods of work, but I don't know any off the top of my head. The Schengen codes do not say much about allowable purposes for short-stay visitors, so it may be left to national law.
– phoog
Feb 26 at 18:31
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@JacobHorbulyk OP says "I was paid." I assume he worked for the payment.
– mkennedy
Feb 27 at 0:15
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To summarize, you
- entered Austria the first time illegally (the visa-free possibilites from US to Schengen are limited to certain reasons, getting hired is not one of them).
- Worked illegally (illegal because no permit)
- Worked illegally (illegal because no insurance)
- Worked illegally (illegal because no taxes)
...
While I can't predict the future, a ban is certainly possible, as are formalized tax debts, fines, and legal actions against your employer.
No, I can't recommend you to rely on being able to enter again.
answered Feb 26 at 16:13
deviantfan
1,82711617
Romania certainly counts as leaving the Schengen area for the purpose of the 90/180 calculation, and indeed for pretty much any purpose.
– phoog
Feb 26 at 16:27
@phoog Maybe you're right - recherching the current status more carefully, I'm not so sure anymore about the 90 days. (Sadly the position changes frequently now, and partially the countries have no consent themselves what the current status is)
– deviantfan
Feb 26 at 17:00
1
It’s not clear from the original question if the asker actually work or only intended to work after obtaining the proper paperwork. Furthermore I would need to see a source to support the claim that US passport holders can not enter the Schengen zone visa free to be hired. Germany for instance allows US passport holder to enter visa free and then obtain a work permit after arrival.
– Jacob Horbulyk
Feb 26 at 18:18
@JacobHorbulyk On your latter point, I believe you are correct. Some countries do seem to separate the visa (permission to be in the country) entirely from permission to work, so those working for fewer than 90 days in a 180-day period can use a normal Schengen visa (or visa-free entry if they are eligible). I believe France is like this. Others may require a national visa even for short periods of work, but I don't know any off the top of my head. The Schengen codes do not say much about allowable purposes for short-stay visitors, so it may be left to national law.
– phoog
Feb 26 at 18:31
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@JacobHorbulyk OP says "I was paid." I assume he worked for the payment.
– mkennedy
Feb 27 at 0:15
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up vote
-3
down vote
up vote
-3
down vote
To summarize, you
- entered Austria the first time illegally (the visa-free possibilites from US to Schengen are limited to certain reasons, getting hired is not one of them).
- Worked illegally (illegal because no permit)
- Worked illegally (illegal because no insurance)
- Worked illegally (illegal because no taxes)
...
While I can't predict the future, a ban is certainly possible, as are formalized tax debts, fines, and legal actions against your employer.
No, I can't recommend you to rely on being able to enter again.
answered Feb 26 at 16:13
deviantfan
1,82711617
To summarize, you
- entered Austria the first time illegally (the visa-free possibilites from US to Schengen are limited to certain reasons, getting hired is not one of them).
- Worked illegally (illegal because no permit)
- Worked illegally (illegal because no insurance)
- Worked illegally (illegal because no taxes)
...
While I can't predict the future, a ban is certainly possible, as are formalized tax debts, fines, and legal actions against your employer.
No, I can't recommend you to rely on being able to enter again.
answered Feb 26 at 16:13
deviantfan
1,82711617
edited Feb 26 at 17:04
answered Feb 26 at 16:13
deviantfan
1,82711617
answered Feb 26 at 16:13
deviantfan
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answered Feb 26 at 16:13
deviantfan
1,82711617
1,82711617
Romania certainly counts as leaving the Schengen area for the purpose of the 90/180 calculation, and indeed for pretty much any purpose.
– phoog
Feb 26 at 16:27
@phoog Maybe you're right - recherching the current status more carefully, I'm not so sure anymore about the 90 days. (Sadly the position changes frequently now, and partially the countries have no consent themselves what the current status is)
– deviantfan
Feb 26 at 17:00
1
It’s not clear from the original question if the asker actually work or only intended to work after obtaining the proper paperwork. Furthermore I would need to see a source to support the claim that US passport holders can not enter the Schengen zone visa free to be hired. Germany for instance allows US passport holder to enter visa free and then obtain a work permit after arrival.
– Jacob Horbulyk
Feb 26 at 18:18
@JacobHorbulyk On your latter point, I believe you are correct. Some countries do seem to separate the visa (permission to be in the country) entirely from permission to work, so those working for fewer than 90 days in a 180-day period can use a normal Schengen visa (or visa-free entry if they are eligible). I believe France is like this. Others may require a national visa even for short periods of work, but I don't know any off the top of my head. The Schengen codes do not say much about allowable purposes for short-stay visitors, so it may be left to national law.
– phoog
Feb 26 at 18:31
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@JacobHorbulyk OP says "I was paid." I assume he worked for the payment.
– mkennedy
Feb 27 at 0:15
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Romania certainly counts as leaving the Schengen area for the purpose of the 90/180 calculation, and indeed for pretty much any purpose.
– phoog
Feb 26 at 16:27
@phoog Maybe you're right - recherching the current status more carefully, I'm not so sure anymore about the 90 days. (Sadly the position changes frequently now, and partially the countries have no consent themselves what the current status is)
– deviantfan
Feb 26 at 17:00
1
It’s not clear from the original question if the asker actually work or only intended to work after obtaining the proper paperwork. Furthermore I would need to see a source to support the claim that US passport holders can not enter the Schengen zone visa free to be hired. Germany for instance allows US passport holder to enter visa free and then obtain a work permit after arrival.
– Jacob Horbulyk
Feb 26 at 18:18
@JacobHorbulyk On your latter point, I believe you are correct. Some countries do seem to separate the visa (permission to be in the country) entirely from permission to work, so those working for fewer than 90 days in a 180-day period can use a normal Schengen visa (or visa-free entry if they are eligible). I believe France is like this. Others may require a national visa even for short periods of work, but I don't know any off the top of my head. The Schengen codes do not say much about allowable purposes for short-stay visitors, so it may be left to national law.
– phoog
Feb 26 at 18:31
1
@JacobHorbulyk OP says "I was paid." I assume he worked for the payment.
– mkennedy
Feb 27 at 0:15
Romania certainly counts as leaving the Schengen area for the purpose of the 90/180 calculation, and indeed for pretty much any purpose.
– phoog
Feb 26 at 16:27
Romania certainly counts as leaving the Schengen area for the purpose of the 90/180 calculation, and indeed for pretty much any purpose.
– phoog
Feb 26 at 16:27
@phoog Maybe you're right - recherching the current status more carefully, I'm not so sure anymore about the 90 days. (Sadly the position changes frequently now, and partially the countries have no consent themselves what the current status is)
– deviantfan
Feb 26 at 17:00
@phoog Maybe you're right - recherching the current status more carefully, I'm not so sure anymore about the 90 days. (Sadly the position changes frequently now, and partially the countries have no consent themselves what the current status is)
– deviantfan
Feb 26 at 17:00
1
1
It’s not clear from the original question if the asker actually work or only intended to work after obtaining the proper paperwork. Furthermore I would need to see a source to support the claim that US passport holders can not enter the Schengen zone visa free to be hired. Germany for instance allows US passport holder to enter visa free and then obtain a work permit after arrival.
– Jacob Horbulyk
Feb 26 at 18:18
It’s not clear from the original question if the asker actually work or only intended to work after obtaining the proper paperwork. Furthermore I would need to see a source to support the claim that US passport holders can not enter the Schengen zone visa free to be hired. Germany for instance allows US passport holder to enter visa free and then obtain a work permit after arrival.
– Jacob Horbulyk
Feb 26 at 18:18
@JacobHorbulyk On your latter point, I believe you are correct. Some countries do seem to separate the visa (permission to be in the country) entirely from permission to work, so those working for fewer than 90 days in a 180-day period can use a normal Schengen visa (or visa-free entry if they are eligible). I believe France is like this. Others may require a national visa even for short periods of work, but I don't know any off the top of my head. The Schengen codes do not say much about allowable purposes for short-stay visitors, so it may be left to national law.
– phoog
Feb 26 at 18:31
@JacobHorbulyk On your latter point, I believe you are correct. Some countries do seem to separate the visa (permission to be in the country) entirely from permission to work, so those working for fewer than 90 days in a 180-day period can use a normal Schengen visa (or visa-free entry if they are eligible). I believe France is like this. Others may require a national visa even for short periods of work, but I don't know any off the top of my head. The Schengen codes do not say much about allowable purposes for short-stay visitors, so it may be left to national law.
– phoog
Feb 26 at 18:31
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@JacobHorbulyk OP says "I was paid." I assume he worked for the payment.
– mkennedy
Feb 27 at 0:15
@JacobHorbulyk OP says "I was paid." I assume he worked for the payment.
– mkennedy
Feb 27 at 0:15
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