Would it be safe to travel from Europe to South-East Asia overland with an ex-USSR-military truck?
I am thinking of travelling overland from Europe to South-East Asia with my own truck, but I concerned about personal safety in some areas.
I am concerned about my safety, driving from Europe, via Georgia (possibly by ferry over the Black Sea to avoid Turkey), then Azerbaijan, Iran, south Pakistan along the coast, India, Myanmar or China to Thailand.
If I buy an Ural-375 ex-USSR-military truck, would this be safe?
Would it not attract unwanted attention, hostility? Or is it a relatively common sight in these areas that it would not raise eyebrows?
Generally I want a big truck, that will provide a high level physical security against common criminals, but be somehow not so unusual in the area that it would blend-in, and not be a subject of unwanted attention.
Additionally a not-unusual truck in the area would be easier to get parts/repair if it would break down.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ural-375
safety driving road-trips overland off-road
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I am thinking of travelling overland from Europe to South-East Asia with my own truck, but I concerned about personal safety in some areas.
I am concerned about my safety, driving from Europe, via Georgia (possibly by ferry over the Black Sea to avoid Turkey), then Azerbaijan, Iran, south Pakistan along the coast, India, Myanmar or China to Thailand.
If I buy an Ural-375 ex-USSR-military truck, would this be safe?
Would it not attract unwanted attention, hostility? Or is it a relatively common sight in these areas that it would not raise eyebrows?
Generally I want a big truck, that will provide a high level physical security against common criminals, but be somehow not so unusual in the area that it would blend-in, and not be a subject of unwanted attention.
Additionally a not-unusual truck in the area would be easier to get parts/repair if it would break down.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ural-375
safety driving road-trips overland off-road
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As far as western Europe is concerned, this truck is NOT a relatively common sight. It would raise eyebrows.
– audionuma
Jul 16 '16 at 21:21
@audionuma: Well, but I wouldn't have any safety problems driving this in Western Europe. OK, by "raise eyebrows" I meant more something like "provoke an armed attack" or anything remotely dangerous, not just a curious look, which I don't care about, as long as I don't end up with me being dragged out of the cabin or thrown stones at.
– yannn
Jul 16 '16 at 21:27
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How on earth are you planning to cross from Pakistan into India?
– chx
Nov 20 '16 at 11:43
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I am thinking of travelling overland from Europe to South-East Asia with my own truck, but I concerned about personal safety in some areas.
I am concerned about my safety, driving from Europe, via Georgia (possibly by ferry over the Black Sea to avoid Turkey), then Azerbaijan, Iran, south Pakistan along the coast, India, Myanmar or China to Thailand.
If I buy an Ural-375 ex-USSR-military truck, would this be safe?
Would it not attract unwanted attention, hostility? Or is it a relatively common sight in these areas that it would not raise eyebrows?
Generally I want a big truck, that will provide a high level physical security against common criminals, but be somehow not so unusual in the area that it would blend-in, and not be a subject of unwanted attention.
Additionally a not-unusual truck in the area would be easier to get parts/repair if it would break down.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ural-375
safety driving road-trips overland off-road
I am thinking of travelling overland from Europe to South-East Asia with my own truck, but I concerned about personal safety in some areas.
I am concerned about my safety, driving from Europe, via Georgia (possibly by ferry over the Black Sea to avoid Turkey), then Azerbaijan, Iran, south Pakistan along the coast, India, Myanmar or China to Thailand.
If I buy an Ural-375 ex-USSR-military truck, would this be safe?
Would it not attract unwanted attention, hostility? Or is it a relatively common sight in these areas that it would not raise eyebrows?
Generally I want a big truck, that will provide a high level physical security against common criminals, but be somehow not so unusual in the area that it would blend-in, and not be a subject of unwanted attention.
Additionally a not-unusual truck in the area would be easier to get parts/repair if it would break down.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ural-375
safety driving road-trips overland off-road
safety driving road-trips overland off-road
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As far as western Europe is concerned, this truck is NOT a relatively common sight. It would raise eyebrows.
– audionuma
Jul 16 '16 at 21:21
@audionuma: Well, but I wouldn't have any safety problems driving this in Western Europe. OK, by "raise eyebrows" I meant more something like "provoke an armed attack" or anything remotely dangerous, not just a curious look, which I don't care about, as long as I don't end up with me being dragged out of the cabin or thrown stones at.
– yannn
Jul 16 '16 at 21:27
3
How on earth are you planning to cross from Pakistan into India?
– chx
Nov 20 '16 at 11:43
add a comment |
3
As far as western Europe is concerned, this truck is NOT a relatively common sight. It would raise eyebrows.
– audionuma
Jul 16 '16 at 21:21
@audionuma: Well, but I wouldn't have any safety problems driving this in Western Europe. OK, by "raise eyebrows" I meant more something like "provoke an armed attack" or anything remotely dangerous, not just a curious look, which I don't care about, as long as I don't end up with me being dragged out of the cabin or thrown stones at.
– yannn
Jul 16 '16 at 21:27
3
How on earth are you planning to cross from Pakistan into India?
– chx
Nov 20 '16 at 11:43
3
3
As far as western Europe is concerned, this truck is NOT a relatively common sight. It would raise eyebrows.
– audionuma
Jul 16 '16 at 21:21
As far as western Europe is concerned, this truck is NOT a relatively common sight. It would raise eyebrows.
– audionuma
Jul 16 '16 at 21:21
@audionuma: Well, but I wouldn't have any safety problems driving this in Western Europe. OK, by "raise eyebrows" I meant more something like "provoke an armed attack" or anything remotely dangerous, not just a curious look, which I don't care about, as long as I don't end up with me being dragged out of the cabin or thrown stones at.
– yannn
Jul 16 '16 at 21:27
@audionuma: Well, but I wouldn't have any safety problems driving this in Western Europe. OK, by "raise eyebrows" I meant more something like "provoke an armed attack" or anything remotely dangerous, not just a curious look, which I don't care about, as long as I don't end up with me being dragged out of the cabin or thrown stones at.
– yannn
Jul 16 '16 at 21:27
3
3
How on earth are you planning to cross from Pakistan into India?
– chx
Nov 20 '16 at 11:43
How on earth are you planning to cross from Pakistan into India?
– chx
Nov 20 '16 at 11:43
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I have been driving ex-military and civilian trucks of the 12 tonnes class as a camper van. I know that several travelers in "military green" trucks have been turned around in African countries, because of the look of your car. Common wisdom is, that you at least should put huge "peaceful" and colorful stickers on your truck, if you do not want to repaint it.
Dark green vehicles are more common in former Eastern Bloc countries. See here to see what to expect on the road. I still would put some distinct non-military sticker - e.g. a map of your planned route - on the truck. Even with the Ural you will stick out as a tourist so better make sure you really stick out as a tourist. With a truck you always get attention and this is a good way to start interacting with the locals.
At border crossings you are a very unusual sight - a non commercial truck. Just drive by the trucks waiting for days and queue with the buses and cars. Say to everybody "No T.I.R., no commercial. Camping car!" and expect an additional hour of pure curiosity at Customs. They all want to take a look.
Generally these countries are well prepared for large vehicles and there are no unusual requirements. If you are allowed to drive that beast at home you can assume you are allowed to drive it aboard.
In most Countries the "No Trucks" signs do not apply to heavy (12T) truck-based camping cars. Generally every official is delighted to see such a crazy thing, wants to see inside and then lets you go shaking his head in disbelieve.
Regarding physical security: People around you can't look into your windows which can give a lot of comfort. A truck is trivial to make difficult to swiftly dive away by a thief. E.g. emptying the air out of the reservoirs so parking breaks can not be disengaged without regaining air pressure. You can also shift the low range gear into neutral which can not be shifted back without air pressure. Disconnect batteries and fuel lines etc. The downside is that yourself also can't make a swift exit ...
If you are concerned about security you probably should have a crawl through hatch between living quarters and truck cab so you can drive away without stepping outside should there be scary people outside.
Generally having a padlocked chain inside between cab doors and perhaps strangling the steering wheel is considered pretty safe.
All Eastern Europe and Central Asia has guarded truck parking lots available at every corner.
If you can read German you will find loads of information at the four wheel truck association forum.
add a comment |
If it is still painted in military fashion, then yes it will attract all sorts of unwanted attention. If you have spruced in up a bit with civilian colors, etc, it will still attract attention but likely more out of curiosity.
Have you checked the laws of each country you plan to traverse? A vehicle that size could come with commercial driver license requirements, road permit issues, along with the expected cross border hassles of vehicle registration, insurance and licensing rules.
And while the box back maybe more secure against common criminals, the cabs are not that secure so it could simply be truck jacked and driven somewhere secluded to be pried open at leisure.
Well, if its painter just in standard dark-green, like in the above picture, is that bad? Better to repaint it to plain white for example? Regarding driver's licence I plan to have full C class EU driver's licence, so it should not be an issue, and anyway the scope of this question is only physical security from bodily-harm and theft. Are you talking from personal experience of having been in these countries and seen what kind of vehicles commonly drive there? I am mostly interested in driving something common (no necessarily very common, but just normally seen once in a while by locals).
– yannn
Jul 16 '16 at 20:25
I have been in some of your destinations, but not all. Will it provoke an armed attack ? Most places likely not, but there are areas where local rebellious groups might not view your truck as friendly if it still wears army green. Giving it a softer tone (white, pale yellow, beige, etc) will eliminate the military ties and as a bonus keep it cooler inside.
– user13044
Jul 17 '16 at 14:44
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I have been driving ex-military and civilian trucks of the 12 tonnes class as a camper van. I know that several travelers in "military green" trucks have been turned around in African countries, because of the look of your car. Common wisdom is, that you at least should put huge "peaceful" and colorful stickers on your truck, if you do not want to repaint it.
Dark green vehicles are more common in former Eastern Bloc countries. See here to see what to expect on the road. I still would put some distinct non-military sticker - e.g. a map of your planned route - on the truck. Even with the Ural you will stick out as a tourist so better make sure you really stick out as a tourist. With a truck you always get attention and this is a good way to start interacting with the locals.
At border crossings you are a very unusual sight - a non commercial truck. Just drive by the trucks waiting for days and queue with the buses and cars. Say to everybody "No T.I.R., no commercial. Camping car!" and expect an additional hour of pure curiosity at Customs. They all want to take a look.
Generally these countries are well prepared for large vehicles and there are no unusual requirements. If you are allowed to drive that beast at home you can assume you are allowed to drive it aboard.
In most Countries the "No Trucks" signs do not apply to heavy (12T) truck-based camping cars. Generally every official is delighted to see such a crazy thing, wants to see inside and then lets you go shaking his head in disbelieve.
Regarding physical security: People around you can't look into your windows which can give a lot of comfort. A truck is trivial to make difficult to swiftly dive away by a thief. E.g. emptying the air out of the reservoirs so parking breaks can not be disengaged without regaining air pressure. You can also shift the low range gear into neutral which can not be shifted back without air pressure. Disconnect batteries and fuel lines etc. The downside is that yourself also can't make a swift exit ...
If you are concerned about security you probably should have a crawl through hatch between living quarters and truck cab so you can drive away without stepping outside should there be scary people outside.
Generally having a padlocked chain inside between cab doors and perhaps strangling the steering wheel is considered pretty safe.
All Eastern Europe and Central Asia has guarded truck parking lots available at every corner.
If you can read German you will find loads of information at the four wheel truck association forum.
add a comment |
I have been driving ex-military and civilian trucks of the 12 tonnes class as a camper van. I know that several travelers in "military green" trucks have been turned around in African countries, because of the look of your car. Common wisdom is, that you at least should put huge "peaceful" and colorful stickers on your truck, if you do not want to repaint it.
Dark green vehicles are more common in former Eastern Bloc countries. See here to see what to expect on the road. I still would put some distinct non-military sticker - e.g. a map of your planned route - on the truck. Even with the Ural you will stick out as a tourist so better make sure you really stick out as a tourist. With a truck you always get attention and this is a good way to start interacting with the locals.
At border crossings you are a very unusual sight - a non commercial truck. Just drive by the trucks waiting for days and queue with the buses and cars. Say to everybody "No T.I.R., no commercial. Camping car!" and expect an additional hour of pure curiosity at Customs. They all want to take a look.
Generally these countries are well prepared for large vehicles and there are no unusual requirements. If you are allowed to drive that beast at home you can assume you are allowed to drive it aboard.
In most Countries the "No Trucks" signs do not apply to heavy (12T) truck-based camping cars. Generally every official is delighted to see such a crazy thing, wants to see inside and then lets you go shaking his head in disbelieve.
Regarding physical security: People around you can't look into your windows which can give a lot of comfort. A truck is trivial to make difficult to swiftly dive away by a thief. E.g. emptying the air out of the reservoirs so parking breaks can not be disengaged without regaining air pressure. You can also shift the low range gear into neutral which can not be shifted back without air pressure. Disconnect batteries and fuel lines etc. The downside is that yourself also can't make a swift exit ...
If you are concerned about security you probably should have a crawl through hatch between living quarters and truck cab so you can drive away without stepping outside should there be scary people outside.
Generally having a padlocked chain inside between cab doors and perhaps strangling the steering wheel is considered pretty safe.
All Eastern Europe and Central Asia has guarded truck parking lots available at every corner.
If you can read German you will find loads of information at the four wheel truck association forum.
add a comment |
I have been driving ex-military and civilian trucks of the 12 tonnes class as a camper van. I know that several travelers in "military green" trucks have been turned around in African countries, because of the look of your car. Common wisdom is, that you at least should put huge "peaceful" and colorful stickers on your truck, if you do not want to repaint it.
Dark green vehicles are more common in former Eastern Bloc countries. See here to see what to expect on the road. I still would put some distinct non-military sticker - e.g. a map of your planned route - on the truck. Even with the Ural you will stick out as a tourist so better make sure you really stick out as a tourist. With a truck you always get attention and this is a good way to start interacting with the locals.
At border crossings you are a very unusual sight - a non commercial truck. Just drive by the trucks waiting for days and queue with the buses and cars. Say to everybody "No T.I.R., no commercial. Camping car!" and expect an additional hour of pure curiosity at Customs. They all want to take a look.
Generally these countries are well prepared for large vehicles and there are no unusual requirements. If you are allowed to drive that beast at home you can assume you are allowed to drive it aboard.
In most Countries the "No Trucks" signs do not apply to heavy (12T) truck-based camping cars. Generally every official is delighted to see such a crazy thing, wants to see inside and then lets you go shaking his head in disbelieve.
Regarding physical security: People around you can't look into your windows which can give a lot of comfort. A truck is trivial to make difficult to swiftly dive away by a thief. E.g. emptying the air out of the reservoirs so parking breaks can not be disengaged without regaining air pressure. You can also shift the low range gear into neutral which can not be shifted back without air pressure. Disconnect batteries and fuel lines etc. The downside is that yourself also can't make a swift exit ...
If you are concerned about security you probably should have a crawl through hatch between living quarters and truck cab so you can drive away without stepping outside should there be scary people outside.
Generally having a padlocked chain inside between cab doors and perhaps strangling the steering wheel is considered pretty safe.
All Eastern Europe and Central Asia has guarded truck parking lots available at every corner.
If you can read German you will find loads of information at the four wheel truck association forum.
I have been driving ex-military and civilian trucks of the 12 tonnes class as a camper van. I know that several travelers in "military green" trucks have been turned around in African countries, because of the look of your car. Common wisdom is, that you at least should put huge "peaceful" and colorful stickers on your truck, if you do not want to repaint it.
Dark green vehicles are more common in former Eastern Bloc countries. See here to see what to expect on the road. I still would put some distinct non-military sticker - e.g. a map of your planned route - on the truck. Even with the Ural you will stick out as a tourist so better make sure you really stick out as a tourist. With a truck you always get attention and this is a good way to start interacting with the locals.
At border crossings you are a very unusual sight - a non commercial truck. Just drive by the trucks waiting for days and queue with the buses and cars. Say to everybody "No T.I.R., no commercial. Camping car!" and expect an additional hour of pure curiosity at Customs. They all want to take a look.
Generally these countries are well prepared for large vehicles and there are no unusual requirements. If you are allowed to drive that beast at home you can assume you are allowed to drive it aboard.
In most Countries the "No Trucks" signs do not apply to heavy (12T) truck-based camping cars. Generally every official is delighted to see such a crazy thing, wants to see inside and then lets you go shaking his head in disbelieve.
Regarding physical security: People around you can't look into your windows which can give a lot of comfort. A truck is trivial to make difficult to swiftly dive away by a thief. E.g. emptying the air out of the reservoirs so parking breaks can not be disengaged without regaining air pressure. You can also shift the low range gear into neutral which can not be shifted back without air pressure. Disconnect batteries and fuel lines etc. The downside is that yourself also can't make a swift exit ...
If you are concerned about security you probably should have a crawl through hatch between living quarters and truck cab so you can drive away without stepping outside should there be scary people outside.
Generally having a padlocked chain inside between cab doors and perhaps strangling the steering wheel is considered pretty safe.
All Eastern Europe and Central Asia has guarded truck parking lots available at every corner.
If you can read German you will find loads of information at the four wheel truck association forum.
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If it is still painted in military fashion, then yes it will attract all sorts of unwanted attention. If you have spruced in up a bit with civilian colors, etc, it will still attract attention but likely more out of curiosity.
Have you checked the laws of each country you plan to traverse? A vehicle that size could come with commercial driver license requirements, road permit issues, along with the expected cross border hassles of vehicle registration, insurance and licensing rules.
And while the box back maybe more secure against common criminals, the cabs are not that secure so it could simply be truck jacked and driven somewhere secluded to be pried open at leisure.
Well, if its painter just in standard dark-green, like in the above picture, is that bad? Better to repaint it to plain white for example? Regarding driver's licence I plan to have full C class EU driver's licence, so it should not be an issue, and anyway the scope of this question is only physical security from bodily-harm and theft. Are you talking from personal experience of having been in these countries and seen what kind of vehicles commonly drive there? I am mostly interested in driving something common (no necessarily very common, but just normally seen once in a while by locals).
– yannn
Jul 16 '16 at 20:25
I have been in some of your destinations, but not all. Will it provoke an armed attack ? Most places likely not, but there are areas where local rebellious groups might not view your truck as friendly if it still wears army green. Giving it a softer tone (white, pale yellow, beige, etc) will eliminate the military ties and as a bonus keep it cooler inside.
– user13044
Jul 17 '16 at 14:44
add a comment |
If it is still painted in military fashion, then yes it will attract all sorts of unwanted attention. If you have spruced in up a bit with civilian colors, etc, it will still attract attention but likely more out of curiosity.
Have you checked the laws of each country you plan to traverse? A vehicle that size could come with commercial driver license requirements, road permit issues, along with the expected cross border hassles of vehicle registration, insurance and licensing rules.
And while the box back maybe more secure against common criminals, the cabs are not that secure so it could simply be truck jacked and driven somewhere secluded to be pried open at leisure.
Well, if its painter just in standard dark-green, like in the above picture, is that bad? Better to repaint it to plain white for example? Regarding driver's licence I plan to have full C class EU driver's licence, so it should not be an issue, and anyway the scope of this question is only physical security from bodily-harm and theft. Are you talking from personal experience of having been in these countries and seen what kind of vehicles commonly drive there? I am mostly interested in driving something common (no necessarily very common, but just normally seen once in a while by locals).
– yannn
Jul 16 '16 at 20:25
I have been in some of your destinations, but not all. Will it provoke an armed attack ? Most places likely not, but there are areas where local rebellious groups might not view your truck as friendly if it still wears army green. Giving it a softer tone (white, pale yellow, beige, etc) will eliminate the military ties and as a bonus keep it cooler inside.
– user13044
Jul 17 '16 at 14:44
add a comment |
If it is still painted in military fashion, then yes it will attract all sorts of unwanted attention. If you have spruced in up a bit with civilian colors, etc, it will still attract attention but likely more out of curiosity.
Have you checked the laws of each country you plan to traverse? A vehicle that size could come with commercial driver license requirements, road permit issues, along with the expected cross border hassles of vehicle registration, insurance and licensing rules.
And while the box back maybe more secure against common criminals, the cabs are not that secure so it could simply be truck jacked and driven somewhere secluded to be pried open at leisure.
If it is still painted in military fashion, then yes it will attract all sorts of unwanted attention. If you have spruced in up a bit with civilian colors, etc, it will still attract attention but likely more out of curiosity.
Have you checked the laws of each country you plan to traverse? A vehicle that size could come with commercial driver license requirements, road permit issues, along with the expected cross border hassles of vehicle registration, insurance and licensing rules.
And while the box back maybe more secure against common criminals, the cabs are not that secure so it could simply be truck jacked and driven somewhere secluded to be pried open at leisure.
answered Jul 16 '16 at 20:10
user13044
Well, if its painter just in standard dark-green, like in the above picture, is that bad? Better to repaint it to plain white for example? Regarding driver's licence I plan to have full C class EU driver's licence, so it should not be an issue, and anyway the scope of this question is only physical security from bodily-harm and theft. Are you talking from personal experience of having been in these countries and seen what kind of vehicles commonly drive there? I am mostly interested in driving something common (no necessarily very common, but just normally seen once in a while by locals).
– yannn
Jul 16 '16 at 20:25
I have been in some of your destinations, but not all. Will it provoke an armed attack ? Most places likely not, but there are areas where local rebellious groups might not view your truck as friendly if it still wears army green. Giving it a softer tone (white, pale yellow, beige, etc) will eliminate the military ties and as a bonus keep it cooler inside.
– user13044
Jul 17 '16 at 14:44
add a comment |
Well, if its painter just in standard dark-green, like in the above picture, is that bad? Better to repaint it to plain white for example? Regarding driver's licence I plan to have full C class EU driver's licence, so it should not be an issue, and anyway the scope of this question is only physical security from bodily-harm and theft. Are you talking from personal experience of having been in these countries and seen what kind of vehicles commonly drive there? I am mostly interested in driving something common (no necessarily very common, but just normally seen once in a while by locals).
– yannn
Jul 16 '16 at 20:25
I have been in some of your destinations, but not all. Will it provoke an armed attack ? Most places likely not, but there are areas where local rebellious groups might not view your truck as friendly if it still wears army green. Giving it a softer tone (white, pale yellow, beige, etc) will eliminate the military ties and as a bonus keep it cooler inside.
– user13044
Jul 17 '16 at 14:44
Well, if its painter just in standard dark-green, like in the above picture, is that bad? Better to repaint it to plain white for example? Regarding driver's licence I plan to have full C class EU driver's licence, so it should not be an issue, and anyway the scope of this question is only physical security from bodily-harm and theft. Are you talking from personal experience of having been in these countries and seen what kind of vehicles commonly drive there? I am mostly interested in driving something common (no necessarily very common, but just normally seen once in a while by locals).
– yannn
Jul 16 '16 at 20:25
Well, if its painter just in standard dark-green, like in the above picture, is that bad? Better to repaint it to plain white for example? Regarding driver's licence I plan to have full C class EU driver's licence, so it should not be an issue, and anyway the scope of this question is only physical security from bodily-harm and theft. Are you talking from personal experience of having been in these countries and seen what kind of vehicles commonly drive there? I am mostly interested in driving something common (no necessarily very common, but just normally seen once in a while by locals).
– yannn
Jul 16 '16 at 20:25
I have been in some of your destinations, but not all. Will it provoke an armed attack ? Most places likely not, but there are areas where local rebellious groups might not view your truck as friendly if it still wears army green. Giving it a softer tone (white, pale yellow, beige, etc) will eliminate the military ties and as a bonus keep it cooler inside.
– user13044
Jul 17 '16 at 14:44
I have been in some of your destinations, but not all. Will it provoke an armed attack ? Most places likely not, but there are areas where local rebellious groups might not view your truck as friendly if it still wears army green. Giving it a softer tone (white, pale yellow, beige, etc) will eliminate the military ties and as a bonus keep it cooler inside.
– user13044
Jul 17 '16 at 14:44
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As far as western Europe is concerned, this truck is NOT a relatively common sight. It would raise eyebrows.
– audionuma
Jul 16 '16 at 21:21
@audionuma: Well, but I wouldn't have any safety problems driving this in Western Europe. OK, by "raise eyebrows" I meant more something like "provoke an armed attack" or anything remotely dangerous, not just a curious look, which I don't care about, as long as I don't end up with me being dragged out of the cabin or thrown stones at.
– yannn
Jul 16 '16 at 21:27
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How on earth are you planning to cross from Pakistan into India?
– chx
Nov 20 '16 at 11:43