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BLP issues[edit]

The article contains several unsourced statements inappropriate for a BLP and needs to be pruned by someone familiar with this kind of material. --Randykitty (talk) 12:26, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

What are you talking about? It is VERY well sourced. A mild article.Finkellium (talk) 15:23, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

• It contains unsourced statements that don't belong in a BLP (like "one of her many lovers"). --Randykitty (talk) 16:09, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
  
  • You clearly didn't read the sources- you need to read them all. The entire point of her case is that they went after her because she had a lot of boyfriends not because there was any evidence. The many lovers are mentioned in every article that is sourced below. Please don't think, just read. Finkellium (talk) 15:12, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
    
    • Funny when you're trying to write an encyclopedia to be admonished "don't think"... Some of those sources are just blogs and should be thrown out, they cannot be used to source a biography of a living person. The whole article needs an overhaul. To mention just one issue: The lead starts with "Alice Crimmins is an American murderess suspected in the 1960s double murder trial of her two children". Apart from the poor grammar ("suspected in a trial"?), if she's only "suspected", we shouldn't call her a "murderess". If she's a "murderess", then we shouldn't say that she was just suspected. I've posted a note on the BLP Noticeboard asking for assistance from some more experienced editors. --Randykitty (talk) 15:42, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
  
  
  • I've got a better idea. Since you are a genius editor, rewrite it yourself. Easy. !Finkellium (talk) 07:22, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
  
  

Serious BLP issues here, as well as general poor editing from Finkellium. GiantSnowman 15:53, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

You have reverted an accurate and sourced section of the above article. Please explain why or I will revert it. You never provided a reason and did so incorrectly. Finkellium (talk) 14:52, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

• What do you mean I "never provided a reason"? You mean other than my edit summary which clearly states "'murderpedia' is not a RS, please stop adding contentious information about a BLP"? GiantSnowman 15:02, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

┌─────────────────────────┘ Now at WP:ANI. GiantSnowman 15:29, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

Reversion of Court Decision[edit]

• Why is a legal document available online, one that summarizes the events accurately, Original Research? Or is this user simply trying to be a Contrarian? Finkellium (talk) 17:15, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

Please read WP:BLPPRIMARY. §FreeRangeFrog^croak 17:25, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

So a court record with the address and the facts of the case is less reliable than say the Daily News? No wonder WP is not taken seriously, lolFinkellium (talk) 17:28, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

Primary sources require interpretation, thus making any material derived from them essentially original research and synthesis. In any case, biographies are not the place to argue about interpretations of existing policies that govern them. If you wish, you may post on the policy's talk page and suggest a change. Until that happens however, we must follow it to the letter. §FreeRangeFrog^croak 17:59, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

The court documents indicate the details of the case. The time of the murders and locations. This is not primary research, this is public documentation of facts Finkellium (talk) 19:25, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

There is no way in which a court document can validate the statements made in this edit. Simple. If you cannot see why not, you probably don't need to be editing such articles. Drmies (talk) 04:32, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

But since you CAN see why, then why don't you explicate? It is not so simple. Every line of that edits ave one is validated by the court document, which I am certain you did not read btw. I will await your explication, but not hold my breath. Finkellium (talk) 06:32, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

You keep attacking all the people that are trying to help you. The answer to your question has already been posted above: see WP:BLPPRIMARY. And you're free to try to change WP policies, just go to the talk page there and convince people that the policy is wrong and that we have to do things your way. If you succeed, we can use that court document in this articl, but until then, it's out. --Randykitty (talk) 08:09, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

Where she lived[edit]

Wiki page says Bronx, documentary said Queens.

Where she lived[edit]

Wiki page says Bronx, documentary said Queens.

Where she lived[edit]

Wiki page says Bronx, documentary said Queens.

Where she lived[edit]

Wiki page says Bronx, documentary said Queens. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mcbwallace64 (talk • contribs) 15:27, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

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