Should I turn down the high beam in “deer areas”?
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In the answers to this question, there is some discussion about use of full beam when driving in deer areas. Thorsten S. writes:
If you are using high beams, wild animals will stop and stare hypnotically into your light and given the high speeds cause severe accidents. There are always some warnings in German travel radio if deer has been sighted on the autobahn.
I had never heard this before. Several commenters disagree, as do some internet sources, such as the humane society page on tips to avoid deer collisions notes:
Use your high beams at night to see farther ahead. Slow down and watch for the eye-shine of deer near road edges.
Is there any empirical evidence that shows which one is safer? Of course, if turning down the high beam forces one to reduce speed to 30 km/h that does reduce the risk of deer collisions, but would increase the risk of being rear-ended unless one is alone on the road. I'm looking for evidence on whether the high beam actually increases the risk of deer collisions, all other things being equal.
Warning sign in Lofoten, Norway. The text means: Extraordinarily large danger of moose.
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In the answers to this question, there is some discussion about use of full beam when driving in deer areas. Thorsten S. writes:
If you are using high beams, wild animals will stop and stare hypnotically into your light and given the high speeds cause severe accidents. There are always some warnings in German travel radio if deer has been sighted on the autobahn.
I had never heard this before. Several commenters disagree, as do some internet sources, such as the humane society page on tips to avoid deer collisions notes:
Use your high beams at night to see farther ahead. Slow down and watch for the eye-shine of deer near road edges.
Is there any empirical evidence that shows which one is safer? Of course, if turning down the high beam forces one to reduce speed to 30 km/h that does reduce the risk of deer collisions, but would increase the risk of being rear-ended unless one is alone on the road. I'm looking for evidence on whether the high beam actually increases the risk of deer collisions, all other things being equal.
Warning sign in Lofoten, Norway. The text means: Extraordinarily large danger of moose.
Source: Ofotingen
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I'm voting to close this question as off-topic, should be moved to Skeptics.SE or to Biology.SE
– motoDrizzt
Jun 13 '17 at 16:08
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@motoDrizzt Why off-topic? It's a very practical travel-related question. I've driven past the photographed spot in question and I didn't turn down my high beam (but I did slow down to, I think, no more than 40 km/h).
– gerrit
Jun 13 '17 at 16:14
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Because, while is obviously an interesting question, it's not about traveling. Because otherwise if someone comes next asking if fuel additives can make you save money, or about a question on a test for their driving license, or if some tires are ok for their motorbike, it will have to be considered in-topic. If we go the route "as much as it is about moving from point to point", then every question will be in-topic here.
– motoDrizzt
Jun 13 '17 at 16:30
As of this moment, all of the answers make a recommendation for the "title" question, but none of them give what OP wants according to his clarification, which is empirical evidence.
– WGroleau
Jun 13 '17 at 22:38
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I would say it could pertain to both Skeptics and Travel. Seeing that people probably would not look for this type of question in Skeptics, I would say leave it on topic and on travel.
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In the answers to this question, there is some discussion about use of full beam when driving in deer areas. Thorsten S. writes:
If you are using high beams, wild animals will stop and stare hypnotically into your light and given the high speeds cause severe accidents. There are always some warnings in German travel radio if deer has been sighted on the autobahn.
I had never heard this before. Several commenters disagree, as do some internet sources, such as the humane society page on tips to avoid deer collisions notes:
Use your high beams at night to see farther ahead. Slow down and watch for the eye-shine of deer near road edges.
Is there any empirical evidence that shows which one is safer? Of course, if turning down the high beam forces one to reduce speed to 30 km/h that does reduce the risk of deer collisions, but would increase the risk of being rear-ended unless one is alone on the road. I'm looking for evidence on whether the high beam actually increases the risk of deer collisions, all other things being equal.
Warning sign in Lofoten, Norway. The text means: Extraordinarily large danger of moose.
Source: Ofotingen
safety driving
In the answers to this question, there is some discussion about use of full beam when driving in deer areas. Thorsten S. writes:
If you are using high beams, wild animals will stop and stare hypnotically into your light and given the high speeds cause severe accidents. There are always some warnings in German travel radio if deer has been sighted on the autobahn.
I had never heard this before. Several commenters disagree, as do some internet sources, such as the humane society page on tips to avoid deer collisions notes:
Use your high beams at night to see farther ahead. Slow down and watch for the eye-shine of deer near road edges.
Is there any empirical evidence that shows which one is safer? Of course, if turning down the high beam forces one to reduce speed to 30 km/h that does reduce the risk of deer collisions, but would increase the risk of being rear-ended unless one is alone on the road. I'm looking for evidence on whether the high beam actually increases the risk of deer collisions, all other things being equal.
Warning sign in Lofoten, Norway. The text means: Extraordinarily large danger of moose.
Source: Ofotingen
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I'm voting to close this question as off-topic, should be moved to Skeptics.SE or to Biology.SE
– motoDrizzt
Jun 13 '17 at 16:08
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@motoDrizzt Why off-topic? It's a very practical travel-related question. I've driven past the photographed spot in question and I didn't turn down my high beam (but I did slow down to, I think, no more than 40 km/h).
– gerrit
Jun 13 '17 at 16:14
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Because, while is obviously an interesting question, it's not about traveling. Because otherwise if someone comes next asking if fuel additives can make you save money, or about a question on a test for their driving license, or if some tires are ok for their motorbike, it will have to be considered in-topic. If we go the route "as much as it is about moving from point to point", then every question will be in-topic here.
– motoDrizzt
Jun 13 '17 at 16:30
As of this moment, all of the answers make a recommendation for the "title" question, but none of them give what OP wants according to his clarification, which is empirical evidence.
– WGroleau
Jun 13 '17 at 22:38
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I would say it could pertain to both Skeptics and Travel. Seeing that people probably would not look for this type of question in Skeptics, I would say leave it on topic and on travel.
– OmamArmy
Jun 14 '17 at 7:08
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I'm voting to close this question as off-topic, should be moved to Skeptics.SE or to Biology.SE
– motoDrizzt
Jun 13 '17 at 16:08
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@motoDrizzt Why off-topic? It's a very practical travel-related question. I've driven past the photographed spot in question and I didn't turn down my high beam (but I did slow down to, I think, no more than 40 km/h).
– gerrit
Jun 13 '17 at 16:14
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Because, while is obviously an interesting question, it's not about traveling. Because otherwise if someone comes next asking if fuel additives can make you save money, or about a question on a test for their driving license, or if some tires are ok for their motorbike, it will have to be considered in-topic. If we go the route "as much as it is about moving from point to point", then every question will be in-topic here.
– motoDrizzt
Jun 13 '17 at 16:30
As of this moment, all of the answers make a recommendation for the "title" question, but none of them give what OP wants according to his clarification, which is empirical evidence.
– WGroleau
Jun 13 '17 at 22:38
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I would say it could pertain to both Skeptics and Travel. Seeing that people probably would not look for this type of question in Skeptics, I would say leave it on topic and on travel.
– OmamArmy
Jun 14 '17 at 7:08
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I'm voting to close this question as off-topic, should be moved to Skeptics.SE or to Biology.SE
– motoDrizzt
Jun 13 '17 at 16:08
I'm voting to close this question as off-topic, should be moved to Skeptics.SE or to Biology.SE
– motoDrizzt
Jun 13 '17 at 16:08
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@motoDrizzt Why off-topic? It's a very practical travel-related question. I've driven past the photographed spot in question and I didn't turn down my high beam (but I did slow down to, I think, no more than 40 km/h).
– gerrit
Jun 13 '17 at 16:14
@motoDrizzt Why off-topic? It's a very practical travel-related question. I've driven past the photographed spot in question and I didn't turn down my high beam (but I did slow down to, I think, no more than 40 km/h).
– gerrit
Jun 13 '17 at 16:14
3
3
Because, while is obviously an interesting question, it's not about traveling. Because otherwise if someone comes next asking if fuel additives can make you save money, or about a question on a test for their driving license, or if some tires are ok for their motorbike, it will have to be considered in-topic. If we go the route "as much as it is about moving from point to point", then every question will be in-topic here.
– motoDrizzt
Jun 13 '17 at 16:30
Because, while is obviously an interesting question, it's not about traveling. Because otherwise if someone comes next asking if fuel additives can make you save money, or about a question on a test for their driving license, or if some tires are ok for their motorbike, it will have to be considered in-topic. If we go the route "as much as it is about moving from point to point", then every question will be in-topic here.
– motoDrizzt
Jun 13 '17 at 16:30
As of this moment, all of the answers make a recommendation for the "title" question, but none of them give what OP wants according to his clarification, which is empirical evidence.
– WGroleau
Jun 13 '17 at 22:38
As of this moment, all of the answers make a recommendation for the "title" question, but none of them give what OP wants according to his clarification, which is empirical evidence.
– WGroleau
Jun 13 '17 at 22:38
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I would say it could pertain to both Skeptics and Travel. Seeing that people probably would not look for this type of question in Skeptics, I would say leave it on topic and on travel.
– OmamArmy
Jun 14 '17 at 7:08
I would say it could pertain to both Skeptics and Travel. Seeing that people probably would not look for this type of question in Skeptics, I would say leave it on topic and on travel.
– OmamArmy
Jun 14 '17 at 7:08
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Having gone through German driving school, I remember what I was taught then. It is all reflected in this question that can appear in the theoretical driving test:
Wie müssen Sie sich verhalten, wenn im Fernlicht plötzlich Wild auftaucht?
- Sofort abblenden
- Mit Fernlicht unverändert weiterfahren
- Hupen und bremsen
Translated:
How are you supposed to react if deer suddenly appears in the high beam?
- Immediately lower your beam
- Continue driving as before using high beam
- Honk and brake
Answer choices 1 and 3 are to be ticked for a correct answer
This is also the condensed advice that I was able to gather from other German sites on the topic. It is recommended — even in deer areas — to drive with high beams on to increase your view. You should always check the road sides if you can see the reflection caused by the eyes of wildlife. If and only if there are deer on or beside the road, you should lower your beam, brake (reasonably, i.e. only so much that the car behind you won’t kiss your bumper) and honk your horn.
The reason given is that the headlights blind whichever wildlife you are dealing with. They can no longer see where they are or where they are going — and they especially cannot see you and cannot realise you are in a car. By the time their eyes have accustomed to the brightness you have already hit them. However, the lower beam has a chance of not blinding them directly because it is pointing downwards. Therefore, the wildlife can still see enough which means it can see whither it should flee.
The advice Thorsten mentions in the post linked in the question probably refers to cases if the deer is already on the motorway. If it is, you know that you’ll need low beams soon and rather than waiting for the inevitable to occur and wasting reaction time it would be slightly safer to lower your beams immediately (and reduce your speed). When driving normally without any explicit warning, the downsides of reaction time are outweighed by the advantage of seeing the deer better and earlier.
Sources:
- http://www.verkehrsportal.de/board/index.php?showtopic=100811
- http://www.t-online.de/auto/technik/id_41070902/auto-ratgeber-wildunfall-das-sollten-sie-tun.html
- https://www.bussgeldkatalog.org/wildunfall/
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Also not that you should never hit the brakes full force, and you should never try to swerve to avoid the deer if it's in the road. If that is unavoidable, you always want to hit the deer full force, with the front of your car, while slowing down in a controlled way. That is way better than trying to save an animal and hitting a tree instead because you lose control. That's the rest of the advice in German driving school on this topic. (Unless you're in a Mercedes A class and there's a Moose. In that case, swerve and fall over. ;))
– simbabque
Jun 14 '17 at 6:35
@simbabque, I grew up in a place with both deer and moose. If you hit a deer square with the car it will usually stay down, with the front of the car getting all the damage, but moose are much taller and will sometimes end up coming over the hood and through the windshield. Trying to avoid the moose at the risk of hitting a tree instead is not necessarily making things worse since you may not survive hitting the moose.
– Dennis
Jun 14 '17 at 16:48
@Dennis I believe you. I have no experience with real Moose. I was mostly going gut the joke about the test.
– simbabque
Jun 14 '17 at 17:10
@simbabque +1 for the Elchtest reference :D
– Jan
Jun 14 '17 at 17:48
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You will see more with High Beam, so it is safer.
However, when you encounter wildlife, you should (aside from breaking!) switch the high beams off immediately.
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Reference: State Farm® tips to protect yourself on the road.
Reference: Avoiding Deer-Car Collisions
Should I turn down the high beam in “deer areas”?
No, you should use high beams as you will see further and more.
Is there any empirical evidence that shows which one is safer?
As State Farm and others are recommending using High Beams, the implication is that high beams represent an increased safety factor. While tragic for the deer, unless later consumed, collisions represent a covered loss for the carrier.
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In my country, driver schooling focuses on principles of moderate speed, correct safe distance, and maximum visibility. So here is my contribute answer.
If lowering beams hides the animal to your own eyes, keep high beams for a few more meters
Once you are able to track the animal, lower your beams
Do not horn or you will scare the animal more
I have found myself in similar situations, especially with cats. Once I hit one who first stayed still then crossed the street by the exact time my car approached him. First, use as much as high beam as possible. Travel is safer with them. It is better for you to see animals in advance than relying on them to avoid you. Humans are intelligent, expert and aware of dangers. They can elaborate escape routes. Animals rely on instinct.
You have to control your speed not just over the displayed/designated speed limit, but on your knowledge of the road, visibility and ability to brake. Ability to brake includes (picture displays snow) weather conditions and car status.
You will normally hit the speed limit, and travel as fastest as you are allowed, with full high beams on a straight way. By the time you notice reflections from wildlife eyes, you will have all the distance you need to slow down using the brakes without excessive force.
If you are on a curve, thus have reduced visibility, you are required to slow down as your beams will point to animals too late for breaking in safety.
Second part is how to handle the wildlife at short distance once you sighted them and slowed. You have to avoid the moose maneuver and keep it at last resort. Discussion here is whether to keep beams high or to lower them. My answer is: KEEP YOUR ANIMAL VISIBILE at all the time.
Do the above while braking, so I assume you will choose whether to lower beams while your foot is pushing the brake and speed gauge is reducing.
It may happen, on very dark roads/nights, that you may want to approach your animal with full beams at all the time. He will stare, his eyes will be stressed a lot, but you will probably save his life as soon as you slow down and gently turn him. Again, you have planned your speed in advance so you are aware of your braking distance. The vehicle behind you has planned his distance and speed and can react to you braking gently.
To make an idea, keep in mind that humans have 1 second lag to start braking. Assuming a 90km/h out-of-town speed limit, modern cars with ABS can slow down to 40 in 3 seconds in comfort (if you push the brake with your full body it will take less and scare passengers and following vehicles).
Avoid to moose if not forced to do so. Contributors correctly showed that choosing to surely hit wildlife with minor consequences or risking to fail to moose with severe consequences for driver, passengers and oppositebound traffic is a hard choice.
Traffic regulators may want to plan the mandatory installation of devices such as this one in all cars in the near future. Motor companies are already working on self-driving cars that need such kind of sensors.
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Having gone through German driving school, I remember what I was taught then. It is all reflected in this question that can appear in the theoretical driving test:
Wie müssen Sie sich verhalten, wenn im Fernlicht plötzlich Wild auftaucht?
- Sofort abblenden
- Mit Fernlicht unverändert weiterfahren
- Hupen und bremsen
Translated:
How are you supposed to react if deer suddenly appears in the high beam?
- Immediately lower your beam
- Continue driving as before using high beam
- Honk and brake
Answer choices 1 and 3 are to be ticked for a correct answer
This is also the condensed advice that I was able to gather from other German sites on the topic. It is recommended — even in deer areas — to drive with high beams on to increase your view. You should always check the road sides if you can see the reflection caused by the eyes of wildlife. If and only if there are deer on or beside the road, you should lower your beam, brake (reasonably, i.e. only so much that the car behind you won’t kiss your bumper) and honk your horn.
The reason given is that the headlights blind whichever wildlife you are dealing with. They can no longer see where they are or where they are going — and they especially cannot see you and cannot realise you are in a car. By the time their eyes have accustomed to the brightness you have already hit them. However, the lower beam has a chance of not blinding them directly because it is pointing downwards. Therefore, the wildlife can still see enough which means it can see whither it should flee.
The advice Thorsten mentions in the post linked in the question probably refers to cases if the deer is already on the motorway. If it is, you know that you’ll need low beams soon and rather than waiting for the inevitable to occur and wasting reaction time it would be slightly safer to lower your beams immediately (and reduce your speed). When driving normally without any explicit warning, the downsides of reaction time are outweighed by the advantage of seeing the deer better and earlier.
Sources:
- http://www.verkehrsportal.de/board/index.php?showtopic=100811
- http://www.t-online.de/auto/technik/id_41070902/auto-ratgeber-wildunfall-das-sollten-sie-tun.html
- https://www.bussgeldkatalog.org/wildunfall/
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Also not that you should never hit the brakes full force, and you should never try to swerve to avoid the deer if it's in the road. If that is unavoidable, you always want to hit the deer full force, with the front of your car, while slowing down in a controlled way. That is way better than trying to save an animal and hitting a tree instead because you lose control. That's the rest of the advice in German driving school on this topic. (Unless you're in a Mercedes A class and there's a Moose. In that case, swerve and fall over. ;))
– simbabque
Jun 14 '17 at 6:35
@simbabque, I grew up in a place with both deer and moose. If you hit a deer square with the car it will usually stay down, with the front of the car getting all the damage, but moose are much taller and will sometimes end up coming over the hood and through the windshield. Trying to avoid the moose at the risk of hitting a tree instead is not necessarily making things worse since you may not survive hitting the moose.
– Dennis
Jun 14 '17 at 16:48
@Dennis I believe you. I have no experience with real Moose. I was mostly going gut the joke about the test.
– simbabque
Jun 14 '17 at 17:10
@simbabque +1 for the Elchtest reference :D
– Jan
Jun 14 '17 at 17:48
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Having gone through German driving school, I remember what I was taught then. It is all reflected in this question that can appear in the theoretical driving test:
Wie müssen Sie sich verhalten, wenn im Fernlicht plötzlich Wild auftaucht?
- Sofort abblenden
- Mit Fernlicht unverändert weiterfahren
- Hupen und bremsen
Translated:
How are you supposed to react if deer suddenly appears in the high beam?
- Immediately lower your beam
- Continue driving as before using high beam
- Honk and brake
Answer choices 1 and 3 are to be ticked for a correct answer
This is also the condensed advice that I was able to gather from other German sites on the topic. It is recommended — even in deer areas — to drive with high beams on to increase your view. You should always check the road sides if you can see the reflection caused by the eyes of wildlife. If and only if there are deer on or beside the road, you should lower your beam, brake (reasonably, i.e. only so much that the car behind you won’t kiss your bumper) and honk your horn.
The reason given is that the headlights blind whichever wildlife you are dealing with. They can no longer see where they are or where they are going — and they especially cannot see you and cannot realise you are in a car. By the time their eyes have accustomed to the brightness you have already hit them. However, the lower beam has a chance of not blinding them directly because it is pointing downwards. Therefore, the wildlife can still see enough which means it can see whither it should flee.
The advice Thorsten mentions in the post linked in the question probably refers to cases if the deer is already on the motorway. If it is, you know that you’ll need low beams soon and rather than waiting for the inevitable to occur and wasting reaction time it would be slightly safer to lower your beams immediately (and reduce your speed). When driving normally without any explicit warning, the downsides of reaction time are outweighed by the advantage of seeing the deer better and earlier.
Sources:
- http://www.verkehrsportal.de/board/index.php?showtopic=100811
- http://www.t-online.de/auto/technik/id_41070902/auto-ratgeber-wildunfall-das-sollten-sie-tun.html
- https://www.bussgeldkatalog.org/wildunfall/
1
Also not that you should never hit the brakes full force, and you should never try to swerve to avoid the deer if it's in the road. If that is unavoidable, you always want to hit the deer full force, with the front of your car, while slowing down in a controlled way. That is way better than trying to save an animal and hitting a tree instead because you lose control. That's the rest of the advice in German driving school on this topic. (Unless you're in a Mercedes A class and there's a Moose. In that case, swerve and fall over. ;))
– simbabque
Jun 14 '17 at 6:35
@simbabque, I grew up in a place with both deer and moose. If you hit a deer square with the car it will usually stay down, with the front of the car getting all the damage, but moose are much taller and will sometimes end up coming over the hood and through the windshield. Trying to avoid the moose at the risk of hitting a tree instead is not necessarily making things worse since you may not survive hitting the moose.
– Dennis
Jun 14 '17 at 16:48
@Dennis I believe you. I have no experience with real Moose. I was mostly going gut the joke about the test.
– simbabque
Jun 14 '17 at 17:10
@simbabque +1 for the Elchtest reference :D
– Jan
Jun 14 '17 at 17:48
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Having gone through German driving school, I remember what I was taught then. It is all reflected in this question that can appear in the theoretical driving test:
Wie müssen Sie sich verhalten, wenn im Fernlicht plötzlich Wild auftaucht?
- Sofort abblenden
- Mit Fernlicht unverändert weiterfahren
- Hupen und bremsen
Translated:
How are you supposed to react if deer suddenly appears in the high beam?
- Immediately lower your beam
- Continue driving as before using high beam
- Honk and brake
Answer choices 1 and 3 are to be ticked for a correct answer
This is also the condensed advice that I was able to gather from other German sites on the topic. It is recommended — even in deer areas — to drive with high beams on to increase your view. You should always check the road sides if you can see the reflection caused by the eyes of wildlife. If and only if there are deer on or beside the road, you should lower your beam, brake (reasonably, i.e. only so much that the car behind you won’t kiss your bumper) and honk your horn.
The reason given is that the headlights blind whichever wildlife you are dealing with. They can no longer see where they are or where they are going — and they especially cannot see you and cannot realise you are in a car. By the time their eyes have accustomed to the brightness you have already hit them. However, the lower beam has a chance of not blinding them directly because it is pointing downwards. Therefore, the wildlife can still see enough which means it can see whither it should flee.
The advice Thorsten mentions in the post linked in the question probably refers to cases if the deer is already on the motorway. If it is, you know that you’ll need low beams soon and rather than waiting for the inevitable to occur and wasting reaction time it would be slightly safer to lower your beams immediately (and reduce your speed). When driving normally without any explicit warning, the downsides of reaction time are outweighed by the advantage of seeing the deer better and earlier.
Sources:
- http://www.verkehrsportal.de/board/index.php?showtopic=100811
- http://www.t-online.de/auto/technik/id_41070902/auto-ratgeber-wildunfall-das-sollten-sie-tun.html
- https://www.bussgeldkatalog.org/wildunfall/
Having gone through German driving school, I remember what I was taught then. It is all reflected in this question that can appear in the theoretical driving test:
Wie müssen Sie sich verhalten, wenn im Fernlicht plötzlich Wild auftaucht?
- Sofort abblenden
- Mit Fernlicht unverändert weiterfahren
- Hupen und bremsen
Translated:
How are you supposed to react if deer suddenly appears in the high beam?
- Immediately lower your beam
- Continue driving as before using high beam
- Honk and brake
Answer choices 1 and 3 are to be ticked for a correct answer
This is also the condensed advice that I was able to gather from other German sites on the topic. It is recommended — even in deer areas — to drive with high beams on to increase your view. You should always check the road sides if you can see the reflection caused by the eyes of wildlife. If and only if there are deer on or beside the road, you should lower your beam, brake (reasonably, i.e. only so much that the car behind you won’t kiss your bumper) and honk your horn.
The reason given is that the headlights blind whichever wildlife you are dealing with. They can no longer see where they are or where they are going — and they especially cannot see you and cannot realise you are in a car. By the time their eyes have accustomed to the brightness you have already hit them. However, the lower beam has a chance of not blinding them directly because it is pointing downwards. Therefore, the wildlife can still see enough which means it can see whither it should flee.
The advice Thorsten mentions in the post linked in the question probably refers to cases if the deer is already on the motorway. If it is, you know that you’ll need low beams soon and rather than waiting for the inevitable to occur and wasting reaction time it would be slightly safer to lower your beams immediately (and reduce your speed). When driving normally without any explicit warning, the downsides of reaction time are outweighed by the advantage of seeing the deer better and earlier.
Sources:
- http://www.verkehrsportal.de/board/index.php?showtopic=100811
- http://www.t-online.de/auto/technik/id_41070902/auto-ratgeber-wildunfall-das-sollten-sie-tun.html
- https://www.bussgeldkatalog.org/wildunfall/
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Also not that you should never hit the brakes full force, and you should never try to swerve to avoid the deer if it's in the road. If that is unavoidable, you always want to hit the deer full force, with the front of your car, while slowing down in a controlled way. That is way better than trying to save an animal and hitting a tree instead because you lose control. That's the rest of the advice in German driving school on this topic. (Unless you're in a Mercedes A class and there's a Moose. In that case, swerve and fall over. ;))
– simbabque
Jun 14 '17 at 6:35
@simbabque, I grew up in a place with both deer and moose. If you hit a deer square with the car it will usually stay down, with the front of the car getting all the damage, but moose are much taller and will sometimes end up coming over the hood and through the windshield. Trying to avoid the moose at the risk of hitting a tree instead is not necessarily making things worse since you may not survive hitting the moose.
– Dennis
Jun 14 '17 at 16:48
@Dennis I believe you. I have no experience with real Moose. I was mostly going gut the joke about the test.
– simbabque
Jun 14 '17 at 17:10
@simbabque +1 for the Elchtest reference :D
– Jan
Jun 14 '17 at 17:48
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Also not that you should never hit the brakes full force, and you should never try to swerve to avoid the deer if it's in the road. If that is unavoidable, you always want to hit the deer full force, with the front of your car, while slowing down in a controlled way. That is way better than trying to save an animal and hitting a tree instead because you lose control. That's the rest of the advice in German driving school on this topic. (Unless you're in a Mercedes A class and there's a Moose. In that case, swerve and fall over. ;))
– simbabque
Jun 14 '17 at 6:35
@simbabque, I grew up in a place with both deer and moose. If you hit a deer square with the car it will usually stay down, with the front of the car getting all the damage, but moose are much taller and will sometimes end up coming over the hood and through the windshield. Trying to avoid the moose at the risk of hitting a tree instead is not necessarily making things worse since you may not survive hitting the moose.
– Dennis
Jun 14 '17 at 16:48
@Dennis I believe you. I have no experience with real Moose. I was mostly going gut the joke about the test.
– simbabque
Jun 14 '17 at 17:10
@simbabque +1 for the Elchtest reference :D
– Jan
Jun 14 '17 at 17:48
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Also not that you should never hit the brakes full force, and you should never try to swerve to avoid the deer if it's in the road. If that is unavoidable, you always want to hit the deer full force, with the front of your car, while slowing down in a controlled way. That is way better than trying to save an animal and hitting a tree instead because you lose control. That's the rest of the advice in German driving school on this topic. (Unless you're in a Mercedes A class and there's a Moose. In that case, swerve and fall over. ;))
– simbabque
Jun 14 '17 at 6:35
Also not that you should never hit the brakes full force, and you should never try to swerve to avoid the deer if it's in the road. If that is unavoidable, you always want to hit the deer full force, with the front of your car, while slowing down in a controlled way. That is way better than trying to save an animal and hitting a tree instead because you lose control. That's the rest of the advice in German driving school on this topic. (Unless you're in a Mercedes A class and there's a Moose. In that case, swerve and fall over. ;))
– simbabque
Jun 14 '17 at 6:35
@simbabque, I grew up in a place with both deer and moose. If you hit a deer square with the car it will usually stay down, with the front of the car getting all the damage, but moose are much taller and will sometimes end up coming over the hood and through the windshield. Trying to avoid the moose at the risk of hitting a tree instead is not necessarily making things worse since you may not survive hitting the moose.
– Dennis
Jun 14 '17 at 16:48
@simbabque, I grew up in a place with both deer and moose. If you hit a deer square with the car it will usually stay down, with the front of the car getting all the damage, but moose are much taller and will sometimes end up coming over the hood and through the windshield. Trying to avoid the moose at the risk of hitting a tree instead is not necessarily making things worse since you may not survive hitting the moose.
– Dennis
Jun 14 '17 at 16:48
@Dennis I believe you. I have no experience with real Moose. I was mostly going gut the joke about the test.
– simbabque
Jun 14 '17 at 17:10
@Dennis I believe you. I have no experience with real Moose. I was mostly going gut the joke about the test.
– simbabque
Jun 14 '17 at 17:10
@simbabque +1 for the Elchtest reference :D
– Jan
Jun 14 '17 at 17:48
@simbabque +1 for the Elchtest reference :D
– Jan
Jun 14 '17 at 17:48
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You will see more with High Beam, so it is safer.
However, when you encounter wildlife, you should (aside from breaking!) switch the high beams off immediately.
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You will see more with High Beam, so it is safer.
However, when you encounter wildlife, you should (aside from breaking!) switch the high beams off immediately.
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You will see more with High Beam, so it is safer.
However, when you encounter wildlife, you should (aside from breaking!) switch the high beams off immediately.
You will see more with High Beam, so it is safer.
However, when you encounter wildlife, you should (aside from breaking!) switch the high beams off immediately.
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Reference: State Farm® tips to protect yourself on the road.
Reference: Avoiding Deer-Car Collisions
Should I turn down the high beam in “deer areas”?
No, you should use high beams as you will see further and more.
Is there any empirical evidence that shows which one is safer?
As State Farm and others are recommending using High Beams, the implication is that high beams represent an increased safety factor. While tragic for the deer, unless later consumed, collisions represent a covered loss for the carrier.
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– JonathanReez♦
Jun 14 '17 at 12:26
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Reference: State Farm® tips to protect yourself on the road.
Reference: Avoiding Deer-Car Collisions
Should I turn down the high beam in “deer areas”?
No, you should use high beams as you will see further and more.
Is there any empirical evidence that shows which one is safer?
As State Farm and others are recommending using High Beams, the implication is that high beams represent an increased safety factor. While tragic for the deer, unless later consumed, collisions represent a covered loss for the carrier.
Comments are not for extended discussion; this conversation has been moved to chat.
– JonathanReez♦
Jun 14 '17 at 12:26
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Reference: State Farm® tips to protect yourself on the road.
Reference: Avoiding Deer-Car Collisions
Should I turn down the high beam in “deer areas”?
No, you should use high beams as you will see further and more.
Is there any empirical evidence that shows which one is safer?
As State Farm and others are recommending using High Beams, the implication is that high beams represent an increased safety factor. While tragic for the deer, unless later consumed, collisions represent a covered loss for the carrier.
Reference: State Farm® tips to protect yourself on the road.
Reference: Avoiding Deer-Car Collisions
Should I turn down the high beam in “deer areas”?
No, you should use high beams as you will see further and more.
Is there any empirical evidence that shows which one is safer?
As State Farm and others are recommending using High Beams, the implication is that high beams represent an increased safety factor. While tragic for the deer, unless later consumed, collisions represent a covered loss for the carrier.
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In my country, driver schooling focuses on principles of moderate speed, correct safe distance, and maximum visibility. So here is my contribute answer.
If lowering beams hides the animal to your own eyes, keep high beams for a few more meters
Once you are able to track the animal, lower your beams
Do not horn or you will scare the animal more
I have found myself in similar situations, especially with cats. Once I hit one who first stayed still then crossed the street by the exact time my car approached him. First, use as much as high beam as possible. Travel is safer with them. It is better for you to see animals in advance than relying on them to avoid you. Humans are intelligent, expert and aware of dangers. They can elaborate escape routes. Animals rely on instinct.
You have to control your speed not just over the displayed/designated speed limit, but on your knowledge of the road, visibility and ability to brake. Ability to brake includes (picture displays snow) weather conditions and car status.
You will normally hit the speed limit, and travel as fastest as you are allowed, with full high beams on a straight way. By the time you notice reflections from wildlife eyes, you will have all the distance you need to slow down using the brakes without excessive force.
If you are on a curve, thus have reduced visibility, you are required to slow down as your beams will point to animals too late for breaking in safety.
Second part is how to handle the wildlife at short distance once you sighted them and slowed. You have to avoid the moose maneuver and keep it at last resort. Discussion here is whether to keep beams high or to lower them. My answer is: KEEP YOUR ANIMAL VISIBILE at all the time.
Do the above while braking, so I assume you will choose whether to lower beams while your foot is pushing the brake and speed gauge is reducing.
It may happen, on very dark roads/nights, that you may want to approach your animal with full beams at all the time. He will stare, his eyes will be stressed a lot, but you will probably save his life as soon as you slow down and gently turn him. Again, you have planned your speed in advance so you are aware of your braking distance. The vehicle behind you has planned his distance and speed and can react to you braking gently.
To make an idea, keep in mind that humans have 1 second lag to start braking. Assuming a 90km/h out-of-town speed limit, modern cars with ABS can slow down to 40 in 3 seconds in comfort (if you push the brake with your full body it will take less and scare passengers and following vehicles).
Avoid to moose if not forced to do so. Contributors correctly showed that choosing to surely hit wildlife with minor consequences or risking to fail to moose with severe consequences for driver, passengers and oppositebound traffic is a hard choice.
Traffic regulators may want to plan the mandatory installation of devices such as this one in all cars in the near future. Motor companies are already working on self-driving cars that need such kind of sensors.
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In my country, driver schooling focuses on principles of moderate speed, correct safe distance, and maximum visibility. So here is my contribute answer.
If lowering beams hides the animal to your own eyes, keep high beams for a few more meters
Once you are able to track the animal, lower your beams
Do not horn or you will scare the animal more
I have found myself in similar situations, especially with cats. Once I hit one who first stayed still then crossed the street by the exact time my car approached him. First, use as much as high beam as possible. Travel is safer with them. It is better for you to see animals in advance than relying on them to avoid you. Humans are intelligent, expert and aware of dangers. They can elaborate escape routes. Animals rely on instinct.
You have to control your speed not just over the displayed/designated speed limit, but on your knowledge of the road, visibility and ability to brake. Ability to brake includes (picture displays snow) weather conditions and car status.
You will normally hit the speed limit, and travel as fastest as you are allowed, with full high beams on a straight way. By the time you notice reflections from wildlife eyes, you will have all the distance you need to slow down using the brakes without excessive force.
If you are on a curve, thus have reduced visibility, you are required to slow down as your beams will point to animals too late for breaking in safety.
Second part is how to handle the wildlife at short distance once you sighted them and slowed. You have to avoid the moose maneuver and keep it at last resort. Discussion here is whether to keep beams high or to lower them. My answer is: KEEP YOUR ANIMAL VISIBILE at all the time.
Do the above while braking, so I assume you will choose whether to lower beams while your foot is pushing the brake and speed gauge is reducing.
It may happen, on very dark roads/nights, that you may want to approach your animal with full beams at all the time. He will stare, his eyes will be stressed a lot, but you will probably save his life as soon as you slow down and gently turn him. Again, you have planned your speed in advance so you are aware of your braking distance. The vehicle behind you has planned his distance and speed and can react to you braking gently.
To make an idea, keep in mind that humans have 1 second lag to start braking. Assuming a 90km/h out-of-town speed limit, modern cars with ABS can slow down to 40 in 3 seconds in comfort (if you push the brake with your full body it will take less and scare passengers and following vehicles).
Avoid to moose if not forced to do so. Contributors correctly showed that choosing to surely hit wildlife with minor consequences or risking to fail to moose with severe consequences for driver, passengers and oppositebound traffic is a hard choice.
Traffic regulators may want to plan the mandatory installation of devices such as this one in all cars in the near future. Motor companies are already working on self-driving cars that need such kind of sensors.
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In my country, driver schooling focuses on principles of moderate speed, correct safe distance, and maximum visibility. So here is my contribute answer.
If lowering beams hides the animal to your own eyes, keep high beams for a few more meters
Once you are able to track the animal, lower your beams
Do not horn or you will scare the animal more
I have found myself in similar situations, especially with cats. Once I hit one who first stayed still then crossed the street by the exact time my car approached him. First, use as much as high beam as possible. Travel is safer with them. It is better for you to see animals in advance than relying on them to avoid you. Humans are intelligent, expert and aware of dangers. They can elaborate escape routes. Animals rely on instinct.
You have to control your speed not just over the displayed/designated speed limit, but on your knowledge of the road, visibility and ability to brake. Ability to brake includes (picture displays snow) weather conditions and car status.
You will normally hit the speed limit, and travel as fastest as you are allowed, with full high beams on a straight way. By the time you notice reflections from wildlife eyes, you will have all the distance you need to slow down using the brakes without excessive force.
If you are on a curve, thus have reduced visibility, you are required to slow down as your beams will point to animals too late for breaking in safety.
Second part is how to handle the wildlife at short distance once you sighted them and slowed. You have to avoid the moose maneuver and keep it at last resort. Discussion here is whether to keep beams high or to lower them. My answer is: KEEP YOUR ANIMAL VISIBILE at all the time.
Do the above while braking, so I assume you will choose whether to lower beams while your foot is pushing the brake and speed gauge is reducing.
It may happen, on very dark roads/nights, that you may want to approach your animal with full beams at all the time. He will stare, his eyes will be stressed a lot, but you will probably save his life as soon as you slow down and gently turn him. Again, you have planned your speed in advance so you are aware of your braking distance. The vehicle behind you has planned his distance and speed and can react to you braking gently.
To make an idea, keep in mind that humans have 1 second lag to start braking. Assuming a 90km/h out-of-town speed limit, modern cars with ABS can slow down to 40 in 3 seconds in comfort (if you push the brake with your full body it will take less and scare passengers and following vehicles).
Avoid to moose if not forced to do so. Contributors correctly showed that choosing to surely hit wildlife with minor consequences or risking to fail to moose with severe consequences for driver, passengers and oppositebound traffic is a hard choice.
Traffic regulators may want to plan the mandatory installation of devices such as this one in all cars in the near future. Motor companies are already working on self-driving cars that need such kind of sensors.
In my country, driver schooling focuses on principles of moderate speed, correct safe distance, and maximum visibility. So here is my contribute answer.
If lowering beams hides the animal to your own eyes, keep high beams for a few more meters
Once you are able to track the animal, lower your beams
Do not horn or you will scare the animal more
I have found myself in similar situations, especially with cats. Once I hit one who first stayed still then crossed the street by the exact time my car approached him. First, use as much as high beam as possible. Travel is safer with them. It is better for you to see animals in advance than relying on them to avoid you. Humans are intelligent, expert and aware of dangers. They can elaborate escape routes. Animals rely on instinct.
You have to control your speed not just over the displayed/designated speed limit, but on your knowledge of the road, visibility and ability to brake. Ability to brake includes (picture displays snow) weather conditions and car status.
You will normally hit the speed limit, and travel as fastest as you are allowed, with full high beams on a straight way. By the time you notice reflections from wildlife eyes, you will have all the distance you need to slow down using the brakes without excessive force.
If you are on a curve, thus have reduced visibility, you are required to slow down as your beams will point to animals too late for breaking in safety.
Second part is how to handle the wildlife at short distance once you sighted them and slowed. You have to avoid the moose maneuver and keep it at last resort. Discussion here is whether to keep beams high or to lower them. My answer is: KEEP YOUR ANIMAL VISIBILE at all the time.
Do the above while braking, so I assume you will choose whether to lower beams while your foot is pushing the brake and speed gauge is reducing.
It may happen, on very dark roads/nights, that you may want to approach your animal with full beams at all the time. He will stare, his eyes will be stressed a lot, but you will probably save his life as soon as you slow down and gently turn him. Again, you have planned your speed in advance so you are aware of your braking distance. The vehicle behind you has planned his distance and speed and can react to you braking gently.
To make an idea, keep in mind that humans have 1 second lag to start braking. Assuming a 90km/h out-of-town speed limit, modern cars with ABS can slow down to 40 in 3 seconds in comfort (if you push the brake with your full body it will take less and scare passengers and following vehicles).
Avoid to moose if not forced to do so. Contributors correctly showed that choosing to surely hit wildlife with minor consequences or risking to fail to moose with severe consequences for driver, passengers and oppositebound traffic is a hard choice.
Traffic regulators may want to plan the mandatory installation of devices such as this one in all cars in the near future. Motor companies are already working on self-driving cars that need such kind of sensors.
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I'm voting to close this question as off-topic, should be moved to Skeptics.SE or to Biology.SE
– motoDrizzt
Jun 13 '17 at 16:08
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@motoDrizzt Why off-topic? It's a very practical travel-related question. I've driven past the photographed spot in question and I didn't turn down my high beam (but I did slow down to, I think, no more than 40 km/h).
– gerrit
Jun 13 '17 at 16:14
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Because, while is obviously an interesting question, it's not about traveling. Because otherwise if someone comes next asking if fuel additives can make you save money, or about a question on a test for their driving license, or if some tires are ok for their motorbike, it will have to be considered in-topic. If we go the route "as much as it is about moving from point to point", then every question will be in-topic here.
– motoDrizzt
Jun 13 '17 at 16:30
As of this moment, all of the answers make a recommendation for the "title" question, but none of them give what OP wants according to his clarification, which is empirical evidence.
– WGroleau
Jun 13 '17 at 22:38
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I would say it could pertain to both Skeptics and Travel. Seeing that people probably would not look for this type of question in Skeptics, I would say leave it on topic and on travel.
– OmamArmy
Jun 14 '17 at 7:08