Germany to Italy by train or car in 2017, now the Gotthard tunnel is open?
Since they opened the Gotthard tunnel through the Alps. Is it faster to go from Munich to Genoa by train or by car?
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Since they opened the Gotthard tunnel through the Alps. Is it faster to go from Munich to Genoa by train or by car?
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According to Wikipedia regular train service will only start in December (I assume you are talking about the new Base tunnel), so at the moment the tunnel will have no effect one way or the other.
– Eike Pierstorff
Jun 5 '16 at 16:55
Changed it to 2017
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The very short version is that it is far faster by car, and that (amazing) new tunnel is not relevant. For anyone not familiar with Europe, the drive from Munich to Genova is, many would say, the world's most beautiful and wonderous travel. (And there's a choice of two routes!)
– Fattie
Jun 5 '16 at 18:17
I think Berlin-Milan is more interesting; that goes via Zurich hence will save 1 hour. You can ask GraphHopper for car graphhopper.com/maps/…
– Nemo
Jun 5 '16 at 22:29
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It's fastest by plane.
– Count Iblis
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Since they opened the Gotthard tunnel through the Alps. Is it faster to go from Munich to Genoa by train or by car?
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Since they opened the Gotthard tunnel through the Alps. Is it faster to go from Munich to Genoa by train or by car?
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According to Wikipedia regular train service will only start in December (I assume you are talking about the new Base tunnel), so at the moment the tunnel will have no effect one way or the other.
– Eike Pierstorff
Jun 5 '16 at 16:55
Changed it to 2017
– AutoDemolisher
Jun 5 '16 at 16:56
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The very short version is that it is far faster by car, and that (amazing) new tunnel is not relevant. For anyone not familiar with Europe, the drive from Munich to Genova is, many would say, the world's most beautiful and wonderous travel. (And there's a choice of two routes!)
– Fattie
Jun 5 '16 at 18:17
I think Berlin-Milan is more interesting; that goes via Zurich hence will save 1 hour. You can ask GraphHopper for car graphhopper.com/maps/…
– Nemo
Jun 5 '16 at 22:29
3
It's fastest by plane.
– Count Iblis
Jun 6 '16 at 0:00
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show 1 more comment
According to Wikipedia regular train service will only start in December (I assume you are talking about the new Base tunnel), so at the moment the tunnel will have no effect one way or the other.
– Eike Pierstorff
Jun 5 '16 at 16:55
Changed it to 2017
– AutoDemolisher
Jun 5 '16 at 16:56
3
The very short version is that it is far faster by car, and that (amazing) new tunnel is not relevant. For anyone not familiar with Europe, the drive from Munich to Genova is, many would say, the world's most beautiful and wonderous travel. (And there's a choice of two routes!)
– Fattie
Jun 5 '16 at 18:17
I think Berlin-Milan is more interesting; that goes via Zurich hence will save 1 hour. You can ask GraphHopper for car graphhopper.com/maps/…
– Nemo
Jun 5 '16 at 22:29
3
It's fastest by plane.
– Count Iblis
Jun 6 '16 at 0:00
According to Wikipedia regular train service will only start in December (I assume you are talking about the new Base tunnel), so at the moment the tunnel will have no effect one way or the other.
– Eike Pierstorff
Jun 5 '16 at 16:55
According to Wikipedia regular train service will only start in December (I assume you are talking about the new Base tunnel), so at the moment the tunnel will have no effect one way or the other.
– Eike Pierstorff
Jun 5 '16 at 16:55
Changed it to 2017
– AutoDemolisher
Jun 5 '16 at 16:56
Changed it to 2017
– AutoDemolisher
Jun 5 '16 at 16:56
3
3
The very short version is that it is far faster by car, and that (amazing) new tunnel is not relevant. For anyone not familiar with Europe, the drive from Munich to Genova is, many would say, the world's most beautiful and wonderous travel. (And there's a choice of two routes!)
– Fattie
Jun 5 '16 at 18:17
The very short version is that it is far faster by car, and that (amazing) new tunnel is not relevant. For anyone not familiar with Europe, the drive from Munich to Genova is, many would say, the world's most beautiful and wonderous travel. (And there's a choice of two routes!)
– Fattie
Jun 5 '16 at 18:17
I think Berlin-Milan is more interesting; that goes via Zurich hence will save 1 hour. You can ask GraphHopper for car graphhopper.com/maps/…
– Nemo
Jun 5 '16 at 22:29
I think Berlin-Milan is more interesting; that goes via Zurich hence will save 1 hour. You can ask GraphHopper for car graphhopper.com/maps/…
– Nemo
Jun 5 '16 at 22:29
3
3
It's fastest by plane.
– Count Iblis
Jun 6 '16 at 0:00
It's fastest by plane.
– Count Iblis
Jun 6 '16 at 0:00
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I doubt it will change much, driving will still be faster. Based on a Google Maps itinerary search, we find out that it currently takes up to 7 hours by car, while it takes 9 hours by train, through Austria.
The Gotthard tunnel is located in Switzerland, and while its goal is to reduce the time to travel between Zurich (Switzerland) and Milano (Italy) to 2h40, there is no fast train route between Munich and Zurich.
What is interesting to notice is that on the map, by drawing a straight line between Munich and Genoa, it does not go through Switzerland (or only along its eastern border). So going by train through the Gotthard tunnel will likely not help.
If we still try to estimate the time it takes between the two cities with the estimate given in the first article, going between Munich and Zurich currently takes at least 3h40 according to the Deutsche Bahn in a bus (!), then say 2h40 to Milano, and finally with the Google Maps search we found that the train between Milano and Genoa takes 1h45. By adding up all of them, we still find 8 hours.
In the end, even if somehow the Deutsche Bahn or the SBB decided to run a train all the way from Munich to Milano/Genoa, the total time it takes will probably not beat the driving time. So unfortunately there will be no change in the hierarchy of faster transportation, driving will still be faster.
answered Jun 5 '16 at 17:12
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One thing in favor of going by car is that you get to see the Swiss Alps. For a flatlander like me that's the most amazing and beautiful sight imaginable.
– Eike Pierstorff
Jun 5 '16 at 17:20
1
I guess what will really make a difference on this route will be the Brenner base tunnel, but that apparently won't open until 2025.
– Nate Eldredge
Jun 5 '16 at 19:50
3
When school holidays start, the 7 hours by car can become 10 hours easily, so it depends. Around Munich, traffic is worst in all Germany, because everyone is driving to the south.
– Alexander
Jun 6 '16 at 7:45
Agreed. Train connections between Munich an Zurich are horrible: The direct EC train takes 4:20h - 4:50h (!) which is absolutely insane if you consider that you can do the trip in 3h by car (IFF there's no trafic) and I count 3 direct connections per day (excluding the mentioned buses).
– Martin Ba
Jun 6 '16 at 9:58
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Google Maps suggest 5,5 hours driving time from Munich to Genoa ( a bit optimistic since it's estimated "without traffic" which is like, never). Travel time by train (as per Deutsche Bahn Website) is 11-12 hours.
The new tunnel is said to reduce driving time from Zürich to Milan by one hour. I don't think it will have much more effect on the driving time from Munich to Genoa.
The main purpose of the Basistunnel is to remove freight traffic from the streets (more friendly to the environment plus by the now the Swiss are rather annoyed by constant truck noise). Reducing travel time was not a big consideration.
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Openstreetmap’s car route Munich–Genoa does not tangent the Gotthard area, and neither does bahn.de’s train route suggestion for that relation. The latter does Munich–Verona–Milano–Genova with a EuroCity connection across the Brenner to Verona and takes ten hours.
Considering that to use the Gotthard base tunnel by rail you would need to somehow get to its northern portal, the options of coming close are either via Bregenz or the grand detour via Stuttgart/Karlsruhe. (The latter is funnily suggested as an overnight alternative using a late-night ICE from Munich to Karlsruhe. The former is only sort-of found in form of a connection to Friedrichshafen and then a ferry across lake Constance. It is also a late-night/early morning connection.) The grand detour is unacceptable by day because of how slow the Ulm–Stuttgart strech is (and still will be until the new track has been built). The Bregenz variant is also not truly one because of the rather slow transit through the Allgäu region down to the lake. I don’t think the EC to Zurich will provide a faster option from 2017 onwards – it takes 4:20 just to get there.
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I doubt it will change much, driving will still be faster. Based on a Google Maps itinerary search, we find out that it currently takes up to 7 hours by car, while it takes 9 hours by train, through Austria.
The Gotthard tunnel is located in Switzerland, and while its goal is to reduce the time to travel between Zurich (Switzerland) and Milano (Italy) to 2h40, there is no fast train route between Munich and Zurich.
What is interesting to notice is that on the map, by drawing a straight line between Munich and Genoa, it does not go through Switzerland (or only along its eastern border). So going by train through the Gotthard tunnel will likely not help.
If we still try to estimate the time it takes between the two cities with the estimate given in the first article, going between Munich and Zurich currently takes at least 3h40 according to the Deutsche Bahn in a bus (!), then say 2h40 to Milano, and finally with the Google Maps search we found that the train between Milano and Genoa takes 1h45. By adding up all of them, we still find 8 hours.
In the end, even if somehow the Deutsche Bahn or the SBB decided to run a train all the way from Munich to Milano/Genoa, the total time it takes will probably not beat the driving time. So unfortunately there will be no change in the hierarchy of faster transportation, driving will still be faster.
answered Jun 5 '16 at 17:12
VinceVince
16.3k769127
11
One thing in favor of going by car is that you get to see the Swiss Alps. For a flatlander like me that's the most amazing and beautiful sight imaginable.
– Eike Pierstorff
Jun 5 '16 at 17:20
1
I guess what will really make a difference on this route will be the Brenner base tunnel, but that apparently won't open until 2025.
– Nate Eldredge
Jun 5 '16 at 19:50
3
When school holidays start, the 7 hours by car can become 10 hours easily, so it depends. Around Munich, traffic is worst in all Germany, because everyone is driving to the south.
– Alexander
Jun 6 '16 at 7:45
Agreed. Train connections between Munich an Zurich are horrible: The direct EC train takes 4:20h - 4:50h (!) which is absolutely insane if you consider that you can do the trip in 3h by car (IFF there's no trafic) and I count 3 direct connections per day (excluding the mentioned buses).
– Martin Ba
Jun 6 '16 at 9:58
add a comment |
I doubt it will change much, driving will still be faster. Based on a Google Maps itinerary search, we find out that it currently takes up to 7 hours by car, while it takes 9 hours by train, through Austria.
The Gotthard tunnel is located in Switzerland, and while its goal is to reduce the time to travel between Zurich (Switzerland) and Milano (Italy) to 2h40, there is no fast train route between Munich and Zurich.
What is interesting to notice is that on the map, by drawing a straight line between Munich and Genoa, it does not go through Switzerland (or only along its eastern border). So going by train through the Gotthard tunnel will likely not help.
If we still try to estimate the time it takes between the two cities with the estimate given in the first article, going between Munich and Zurich currently takes at least 3h40 according to the Deutsche Bahn in a bus (!), then say 2h40 to Milano, and finally with the Google Maps search we found that the train between Milano and Genoa takes 1h45. By adding up all of them, we still find 8 hours.
In the end, even if somehow the Deutsche Bahn or the SBB decided to run a train all the way from Munich to Milano/Genoa, the total time it takes will probably not beat the driving time. So unfortunately there will be no change in the hierarchy of faster transportation, driving will still be faster.
answered Jun 5 '16 at 17:12
VinceVince
16.3k769127
11
One thing in favor of going by car is that you get to see the Swiss Alps. For a flatlander like me that's the most amazing and beautiful sight imaginable.
– Eike Pierstorff
Jun 5 '16 at 17:20
1
I guess what will really make a difference on this route will be the Brenner base tunnel, but that apparently won't open until 2025.
– Nate Eldredge
Jun 5 '16 at 19:50
3
When school holidays start, the 7 hours by car can become 10 hours easily, so it depends. Around Munich, traffic is worst in all Germany, because everyone is driving to the south.
– Alexander
Jun 6 '16 at 7:45
Agreed. Train connections between Munich an Zurich are horrible: The direct EC train takes 4:20h - 4:50h (!) which is absolutely insane if you consider that you can do the trip in 3h by car (IFF there's no trafic) and I count 3 direct connections per day (excluding the mentioned buses).
– Martin Ba
Jun 6 '16 at 9:58
add a comment |
I doubt it will change much, driving will still be faster. Based on a Google Maps itinerary search, we find out that it currently takes up to 7 hours by car, while it takes 9 hours by train, through Austria.
The Gotthard tunnel is located in Switzerland, and while its goal is to reduce the time to travel between Zurich (Switzerland) and Milano (Italy) to 2h40, there is no fast train route between Munich and Zurich.
What is interesting to notice is that on the map, by drawing a straight line between Munich and Genoa, it does not go through Switzerland (or only along its eastern border). So going by train through the Gotthard tunnel will likely not help.
If we still try to estimate the time it takes between the two cities with the estimate given in the first article, going between Munich and Zurich currently takes at least 3h40 according to the Deutsche Bahn in a bus (!), then say 2h40 to Milano, and finally with the Google Maps search we found that the train between Milano and Genoa takes 1h45. By adding up all of them, we still find 8 hours.
In the end, even if somehow the Deutsche Bahn or the SBB decided to run a train all the way from Munich to Milano/Genoa, the total time it takes will probably not beat the driving time. So unfortunately there will be no change in the hierarchy of faster transportation, driving will still be faster.
answered Jun 5 '16 at 17:12
VinceVince
16.3k769127
I doubt it will change much, driving will still be faster. Based on a Google Maps itinerary search, we find out that it currently takes up to 7 hours by car, while it takes 9 hours by train, through Austria.
The Gotthard tunnel is located in Switzerland, and while its goal is to reduce the time to travel between Zurich (Switzerland) and Milano (Italy) to 2h40, there is no fast train route between Munich and Zurich.
What is interesting to notice is that on the map, by drawing a straight line between Munich and Genoa, it does not go through Switzerland (or only along its eastern border). So going by train through the Gotthard tunnel will likely not help.
If we still try to estimate the time it takes between the two cities with the estimate given in the first article, going between Munich and Zurich currently takes at least 3h40 according to the Deutsche Bahn in a bus (!), then say 2h40 to Milano, and finally with the Google Maps search we found that the train between Milano and Genoa takes 1h45. By adding up all of them, we still find 8 hours.
In the end, even if somehow the Deutsche Bahn or the SBB decided to run a train all the way from Munich to Milano/Genoa, the total time it takes will probably not beat the driving time. So unfortunately there will be no change in the hierarchy of faster transportation, driving will still be faster.
answered Jun 5 '16 at 17:12
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answered Jun 5 '16 at 17:12
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answered Jun 5 '16 at 17:12
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answered Jun 5 '16 at 17:12
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One thing in favor of going by car is that you get to see the Swiss Alps. For a flatlander like me that's the most amazing and beautiful sight imaginable.
– Eike Pierstorff
Jun 5 '16 at 17:20
1
I guess what will really make a difference on this route will be the Brenner base tunnel, but that apparently won't open until 2025.
– Nate Eldredge
Jun 5 '16 at 19:50
3
When school holidays start, the 7 hours by car can become 10 hours easily, so it depends. Around Munich, traffic is worst in all Germany, because everyone is driving to the south.
– Alexander
Jun 6 '16 at 7:45
Agreed. Train connections between Munich an Zurich are horrible: The direct EC train takes 4:20h - 4:50h (!) which is absolutely insane if you consider that you can do the trip in 3h by car (IFF there's no trafic) and I count 3 direct connections per day (excluding the mentioned buses).
– Martin Ba
Jun 6 '16 at 9:58
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11
One thing in favor of going by car is that you get to see the Swiss Alps. For a flatlander like me that's the most amazing and beautiful sight imaginable.
– Eike Pierstorff
Jun 5 '16 at 17:20
1
I guess what will really make a difference on this route will be the Brenner base tunnel, but that apparently won't open until 2025.
– Nate Eldredge
Jun 5 '16 at 19:50
3
When school holidays start, the 7 hours by car can become 10 hours easily, so it depends. Around Munich, traffic is worst in all Germany, because everyone is driving to the south.
– Alexander
Jun 6 '16 at 7:45
Agreed. Train connections between Munich an Zurich are horrible: The direct EC train takes 4:20h - 4:50h (!) which is absolutely insane if you consider that you can do the trip in 3h by car (IFF there's no trafic) and I count 3 direct connections per day (excluding the mentioned buses).
– Martin Ba
Jun 6 '16 at 9:58
11
11
One thing in favor of going by car is that you get to see the Swiss Alps. For a flatlander like me that's the most amazing and beautiful sight imaginable.
– Eike Pierstorff
Jun 5 '16 at 17:20
One thing in favor of going by car is that you get to see the Swiss Alps. For a flatlander like me that's the most amazing and beautiful sight imaginable.
– Eike Pierstorff
Jun 5 '16 at 17:20
1
1
I guess what will really make a difference on this route will be the Brenner base tunnel, but that apparently won't open until 2025.
– Nate Eldredge
Jun 5 '16 at 19:50
I guess what will really make a difference on this route will be the Brenner base tunnel, but that apparently won't open until 2025.
– Nate Eldredge
Jun 5 '16 at 19:50
3
3
When school holidays start, the 7 hours by car can become 10 hours easily, so it depends. Around Munich, traffic is worst in all Germany, because everyone is driving to the south.
– Alexander
Jun 6 '16 at 7:45
When school holidays start, the 7 hours by car can become 10 hours easily, so it depends. Around Munich, traffic is worst in all Germany, because everyone is driving to the south.
– Alexander
Jun 6 '16 at 7:45
Agreed. Train connections between Munich an Zurich are horrible: The direct EC train takes 4:20h - 4:50h (!) which is absolutely insane if you consider that you can do the trip in 3h by car (IFF there's no trafic) and I count 3 direct connections per day (excluding the mentioned buses).
– Martin Ba
Jun 6 '16 at 9:58
Agreed. Train connections between Munich an Zurich are horrible: The direct EC train takes 4:20h - 4:50h (!) which is absolutely insane if you consider that you can do the trip in 3h by car (IFF there's no trafic) and I count 3 direct connections per day (excluding the mentioned buses).
– Martin Ba
Jun 6 '16 at 9:58
add a comment |
Google Maps suggest 5,5 hours driving time from Munich to Genoa ( a bit optimistic since it's estimated "without traffic" which is like, never). Travel time by train (as per Deutsche Bahn Website) is 11-12 hours.
The new tunnel is said to reduce driving time from Zürich to Milan by one hour. I don't think it will have much more effect on the driving time from Munich to Genoa.
The main purpose of the Basistunnel is to remove freight traffic from the streets (more friendly to the environment plus by the now the Swiss are rather annoyed by constant truck noise). Reducing travel time was not a big consideration.
edited Jun 6 '16 at 5:36
Zach Lipton
61.4k11187246
answered Jun 5 '16 at 17:15
Eike PierstorffEike Pierstorff
90667
add a comment |
Google Maps suggest 5,5 hours driving time from Munich to Genoa ( a bit optimistic since it's estimated "without traffic" which is like, never). Travel time by train (as per Deutsche Bahn Website) is 11-12 hours.
The new tunnel is said to reduce driving time from Zürich to Milan by one hour. I don't think it will have much more effect on the driving time from Munich to Genoa.
The main purpose of the Basistunnel is to remove freight traffic from the streets (more friendly to the environment plus by the now the Swiss are rather annoyed by constant truck noise). Reducing travel time was not a big consideration.
edited Jun 6 '16 at 5:36
Zach Lipton
61.4k11187246
answered Jun 5 '16 at 17:15
Eike PierstorffEike Pierstorff
90667
add a comment |
Google Maps suggest 5,5 hours driving time from Munich to Genoa ( a bit optimistic since it's estimated "without traffic" which is like, never). Travel time by train (as per Deutsche Bahn Website) is 11-12 hours.
The new tunnel is said to reduce driving time from Zürich to Milan by one hour. I don't think it will have much more effect on the driving time from Munich to Genoa.
The main purpose of the Basistunnel is to remove freight traffic from the streets (more friendly to the environment plus by the now the Swiss are rather annoyed by constant truck noise). Reducing travel time was not a big consideration.
edited Jun 6 '16 at 5:36
Zach Lipton
61.4k11187246
answered Jun 5 '16 at 17:15
Eike PierstorffEike Pierstorff
90667
Google Maps suggest 5,5 hours driving time from Munich to Genoa ( a bit optimistic since it's estimated "without traffic" which is like, never). Travel time by train (as per Deutsche Bahn Website) is 11-12 hours.
The new tunnel is said to reduce driving time from Zürich to Milan by one hour. I don't think it will have much more effect on the driving time from Munich to Genoa.
The main purpose of the Basistunnel is to remove freight traffic from the streets (more friendly to the environment plus by the now the Swiss are rather annoyed by constant truck noise). Reducing travel time was not a big consideration.
edited Jun 6 '16 at 5:36
Zach Lipton
61.4k11187246
answered Jun 5 '16 at 17:15
Eike PierstorffEike Pierstorff
90667
edited Jun 6 '16 at 5:36
Zach Lipton
61.4k11187246
edited Jun 6 '16 at 5:36
Zach Lipton
61.4k11187246
edited Jun 6 '16 at 5:36
Zach Lipton
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61.4k11187246
answered Jun 5 '16 at 17:15
Eike PierstorffEike Pierstorff
90667
answered Jun 5 '16 at 17:15
Eike PierstorffEike Pierstorff
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answered Jun 5 '16 at 17:15
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Openstreetmap’s car route Munich–Genoa does not tangent the Gotthard area, and neither does bahn.de’s train route suggestion for that relation. The latter does Munich–Verona–Milano–Genova with a EuroCity connection across the Brenner to Verona and takes ten hours.
Considering that to use the Gotthard base tunnel by rail you would need to somehow get to its northern portal, the options of coming close are either via Bregenz or the grand detour via Stuttgart/Karlsruhe. (The latter is funnily suggested as an overnight alternative using a late-night ICE from Munich to Karlsruhe. The former is only sort-of found in form of a connection to Friedrichshafen and then a ferry across lake Constance. It is also a late-night/early morning connection.) The grand detour is unacceptable by day because of how slow the Ulm–Stuttgart strech is (and still will be until the new track has been built). The Bregenz variant is also not truly one because of the rather slow transit through the Allgäu region down to the lake. I don’t think the EC to Zurich will provide a faster option from 2017 onwards – it takes 4:20 just to get there.
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Openstreetmap’s car route Munich–Genoa does not tangent the Gotthard area, and neither does bahn.de’s train route suggestion for that relation. The latter does Munich–Verona–Milano–Genova with a EuroCity connection across the Brenner to Verona and takes ten hours.
Considering that to use the Gotthard base tunnel by rail you would need to somehow get to its northern portal, the options of coming close are either via Bregenz or the grand detour via Stuttgart/Karlsruhe. (The latter is funnily suggested as an overnight alternative using a late-night ICE from Munich to Karlsruhe. The former is only sort-of found in form of a connection to Friedrichshafen and then a ferry across lake Constance. It is also a late-night/early morning connection.) The grand detour is unacceptable by day because of how slow the Ulm–Stuttgart strech is (and still will be until the new track has been built). The Bregenz variant is also not truly one because of the rather slow transit through the Allgäu region down to the lake. I don’t think the EC to Zurich will provide a faster option from 2017 onwards – it takes 4:20 just to get there.
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Openstreetmap’s car route Munich–Genoa does not tangent the Gotthard area, and neither does bahn.de’s train route suggestion for that relation. The latter does Munich–Verona–Milano–Genova with a EuroCity connection across the Brenner to Verona and takes ten hours.
Considering that to use the Gotthard base tunnel by rail you would need to somehow get to its northern portal, the options of coming close are either via Bregenz or the grand detour via Stuttgart/Karlsruhe. (The latter is funnily suggested as an overnight alternative using a late-night ICE from Munich to Karlsruhe. The former is only sort-of found in form of a connection to Friedrichshafen and then a ferry across lake Constance. It is also a late-night/early morning connection.) The grand detour is unacceptable by day because of how slow the Ulm–Stuttgart strech is (and still will be until the new track has been built). The Bregenz variant is also not truly one because of the rather slow transit through the Allgäu region down to the lake. I don’t think the EC to Zurich will provide a faster option from 2017 onwards – it takes 4:20 just to get there.
answered Jun 5 '16 at 17:15
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Openstreetmap’s car route Munich–Genoa does not tangent the Gotthard area, and neither does bahn.de’s train route suggestion for that relation. The latter does Munich–Verona–Milano–Genova with a EuroCity connection across the Brenner to Verona and takes ten hours.
Considering that to use the Gotthard base tunnel by rail you would need to somehow get to its northern portal, the options of coming close are either via Bregenz or the grand detour via Stuttgart/Karlsruhe. (The latter is funnily suggested as an overnight alternative using a late-night ICE from Munich to Karlsruhe. The former is only sort-of found in form of a connection to Friedrichshafen and then a ferry across lake Constance. It is also a late-night/early morning connection.) The grand detour is unacceptable by day because of how slow the Ulm–Stuttgart strech is (and still will be until the new track has been built). The Bregenz variant is also not truly one because of the rather slow transit through the Allgäu region down to the lake. I don’t think the EC to Zurich will provide a faster option from 2017 onwards – it takes 4:20 just to get there.
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According to Wikipedia regular train service will only start in December (I assume you are talking about the new Base tunnel), so at the moment the tunnel will have no effect one way or the other.
– Eike Pierstorff
Jun 5 '16 at 16:55
Changed it to 2017
– AutoDemolisher
Jun 5 '16 at 16:56
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The very short version is that it is far faster by car, and that (amazing) new tunnel is not relevant. For anyone not familiar with Europe, the drive from Munich to Genova is, many would say, the world's most beautiful and wonderous travel. (And there's a choice of two routes!)
– Fattie
Jun 5 '16 at 18:17
I think Berlin-Milan is more interesting; that goes via Zurich hence will save 1 hour. You can ask GraphHopper for car graphhopper.com/maps/…
– Nemo
Jun 5 '16 at 22:29
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It's fastest by plane.
– Count Iblis
Jun 6 '16 at 0:00