Travelling to the US for independent research under VWP
I am planning to travel to the US under the VWP (I am a Spanish citizen). I will be visiting a university lab, but I am not receiving any salary or income from them and they will not benefit from me being there, so it should be ok according to B-visa purposes (and thus VWP):
Reference document from travel.state.gov, see "Researcher" on page 2.
What documents should I bring with me to show to the border officer?
usa customs-and-immigration us-visa-waiver-program business-travel
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I am planning to travel to the US under the VWP (I am a Spanish citizen). I will be visiting a university lab, but I am not receiving any salary or income from them and they will not benefit from me being there, so it should be ok according to B-visa purposes (and thus VWP):
Reference document from travel.state.gov, see "Researcher" on page 2.
What documents should I bring with me to show to the border officer?
usa customs-and-immigration us-visa-waiver-program business-travel
add a comment |
I am planning to travel to the US under the VWP (I am a Spanish citizen). I will be visiting a university lab, but I am not receiving any salary or income from them and they will not benefit from me being there, so it should be ok according to B-visa purposes (and thus VWP):
Reference document from travel.state.gov, see "Researcher" on page 2.
What documents should I bring with me to show to the border officer?
usa customs-and-immigration us-visa-waiver-program business-travel
I am planning to travel to the US under the VWP (I am a Spanish citizen). I will be visiting a university lab, but I am not receiving any salary or income from them and they will not benefit from me being there, so it should be ok according to B-visa purposes (and thus VWP):
Reference document from travel.state.gov, see "Researcher" on page 2.
What documents should I bring with me to show to the border officer?
usa customs-and-immigration us-visa-waiver-program business-travel
usa customs-and-immigration us-visa-waiver-program business-travel
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This is just an answer from my own experience rather than an authoritative written source.
Back when I was a PhD student, I did this several times a year. I was a British citizen attached to a U.K. institution informally invited to assist in work at a couple of US laboratories. By "informally invited", I mean, the US lab would ask my advisor to assist them, but he didn't want to go so he would ask me to go instead. This would be arranged by emails and usually I would get notice of it a few days beforehand from my advisor, if he remembered to tell me. I was not paid by the labs but I sometimes received travel expenses from them. I always entered under the VWP and was (as now) often questioned about my purpose. On no occasion was I denied entry, sent to a secondary inspection, asked for any documentary evidence, or the like.
Essentially, the conversation would go like this---and usually they only asked the first question before jumping to the end.
Me: Good evening, how are you?
Friendly CBP man: "What is the purpose of your visit?"
Me: Business.
CBP: "What kind of business?"
Me: Scientific collaboration.
CBP: "What kind of science?"
Me: I'm visiting Lawrence Livermore National Labs for three weeks to assist in a science experiment.
CBP: stamp
[I believe it is best to avoid the word "work" in these conversations. You are not working for the US lab, so don't say "work". If you say "work" then the CBP officer may have to investigate exactly what you mean by "work".]
This was in common with other members of my UK-based group; the only chap who had trouble entering the US from time to time was because some CBP staff enjoyed asking lengthy questions about why he had the name "Mohammed". But even he wasn't denied entry.
Once I had a CBP officer who was surprisingly knowledgeable about Debye shielding in plasma physics, and who seemed to want to catch me out in my explanation of how to derive it (a harder question than I ever got in my viva!), but that was it.
Of course your experience may be different, but in my recollection I am not aware of any researcher holding a European passport who ever encountered difficulty in entering the US under these circumstances.
You have not been asked for documentation, I gather your colleagues have not, I have not (limited sample but don't know anyone who has been, less limited) - do you happen to know anyone that was asked?
– pnuts
Jan 16 '17 at 17:45
"the only chap who had trouble entering the US from time to time was because some CBP staff enjoyed asking lengthy questions about why he had the name "Mohammed"." I'm reminded of this comic.
– reirab
Jan 16 '17 at 20:15
add a comment |
You definitely should get a letter of invitation from the institution stating the duration and motive of your stay, as well as the fact that you will receive no compensation for what your're doing.
This is a sample letter
This is because when a VWP national presents their passport, they apply for admission in WT (tourist) status by default. You, however, want to get in in WB (business) status, which has slightly more privileges (explained below); hence you'll want to convince the CBP that that's the status you should be admitted in.
On its website, the University of California states, regarding visiting them for lab observations/research:
It is not appropriate for WTs to participate in UCSF activities.
In essence, doing activities that could be considered a form of work (but of course without being paid by a US employer) is not recommended if in WT Status - therefore if planning to do them, one should enter in WB status, and double-check the assigned admission class written by hand below the entry stamp.
If using an APC kiosk (which you likely will - depends on the airport), select WB as the desired admission class.
I remember before the days of Global Entry or APC, you used to have those white paper customs forms which said "Is the primary purpose of your visit business?" Surely if you tick that box and hand that to CBP, then they would not argue you sought admission as a tourist?
– Calchas
Jan 16 '17 at 17:19
Thanks, this was useful too. I will try and get the letter just in case. What are the "extra privilges" under WB status?
– jmm
Jan 16 '17 at 21:11
@jmm Updated my answer
– Crazydre
Jan 19 '17 at 2:25
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What documments should I bring with me to show to the border officer?
Theoretically nothing. This is not a visa interview. But you are being prudent which is never a bad idea.
I will be visiting a university lab, but I am not receiving any salary or income from them and they will not benefit from me being there
This. Exactly this. I presume this is a longer, arranged visit so get a letter stating this from the university lab on official letterhead and stamp. If it contains the name and phone of someone the CBP can contact it's even better but I sincerely doubt you'd need that on the border.
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"theoretically nothing": how can that statement be correct ? Theoretically the traveler should bring documentation allowing him to substantiate his claims about the purpose and conditions of the visit. If he says he'll be doing research in a US lab, there's a good chance the immigration officer will want to see hard evidence that he's not being paid by a US source.
– phoog
Jan 16 '17 at 16:24
@phoog research does not necessarily mean work and hence paid or not, US source or not make no difference.
– pnuts
Jan 16 '17 at 16:42
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@pnuts in what universe is laboratory research not "work"? In what situation could a US entity pay someone for performing laboratory research and not be seen as a US source of earned income? Regardless, my point stands: the immigration official is likely to want evidence of the relationship between the traveler and the institution to ascertain that the trip is allowed under the VWP. The traveler has the burden of proof of his nonimmigrant intent and that he is applying for entry in an appropriate status and should therefore have evidence to support it.
– phoog
Jan 16 '17 at 17:11
@phoog What I meant was that "being paid by a US source" can be irrelevant as far as research is concerned.
– pnuts
Jan 16 '17 at 17:20
@phoog In the field of science I used to work in, it was very routine for academics and researchers to visit other labs and assist on an informal, unpaid and ad hoc basis. Essentially you would find that person Y now working at X lab would be a useful person to have involved, so you invited her (or more usually, her postdoc/student). The assistance would be reciprocated at some other time. I am speaking of public sector scientists, not commercial work, so no money changed hands. CBP seemed clued up on it and did not question it. Of course, YMMV.
– Calchas
Jan 19 '17 at 9:44
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This is just an answer from my own experience rather than an authoritative written source.
Back when I was a PhD student, I did this several times a year. I was a British citizen attached to a U.K. institution informally invited to assist in work at a couple of US laboratories. By "informally invited", I mean, the US lab would ask my advisor to assist them, but he didn't want to go so he would ask me to go instead. This would be arranged by emails and usually I would get notice of it a few days beforehand from my advisor, if he remembered to tell me. I was not paid by the labs but I sometimes received travel expenses from them. I always entered under the VWP and was (as now) often questioned about my purpose. On no occasion was I denied entry, sent to a secondary inspection, asked for any documentary evidence, or the like.
Essentially, the conversation would go like this---and usually they only asked the first question before jumping to the end.
Me: Good evening, how are you?
Friendly CBP man: "What is the purpose of your visit?"
Me: Business.
CBP: "What kind of business?"
Me: Scientific collaboration.
CBP: "What kind of science?"
Me: I'm visiting Lawrence Livermore National Labs for three weeks to assist in a science experiment.
CBP: stamp
[I believe it is best to avoid the word "work" in these conversations. You are not working for the US lab, so don't say "work". If you say "work" then the CBP officer may have to investigate exactly what you mean by "work".]
This was in common with other members of my UK-based group; the only chap who had trouble entering the US from time to time was because some CBP staff enjoyed asking lengthy questions about why he had the name "Mohammed". But even he wasn't denied entry.
Once I had a CBP officer who was surprisingly knowledgeable about Debye shielding in plasma physics, and who seemed to want to catch me out in my explanation of how to derive it (a harder question than I ever got in my viva!), but that was it.
Of course your experience may be different, but in my recollection I am not aware of any researcher holding a European passport who ever encountered difficulty in entering the US under these circumstances.
You have not been asked for documentation, I gather your colleagues have not, I have not (limited sample but don't know anyone who has been, less limited) - do you happen to know anyone that was asked?
– pnuts
Jan 16 '17 at 17:45
"the only chap who had trouble entering the US from time to time was because some CBP staff enjoyed asking lengthy questions about why he had the name "Mohammed"." I'm reminded of this comic.
– reirab
Jan 16 '17 at 20:15
add a comment |
This is just an answer from my own experience rather than an authoritative written source.
Back when I was a PhD student, I did this several times a year. I was a British citizen attached to a U.K. institution informally invited to assist in work at a couple of US laboratories. By "informally invited", I mean, the US lab would ask my advisor to assist them, but he didn't want to go so he would ask me to go instead. This would be arranged by emails and usually I would get notice of it a few days beforehand from my advisor, if he remembered to tell me. I was not paid by the labs but I sometimes received travel expenses from them. I always entered under the VWP and was (as now) often questioned about my purpose. On no occasion was I denied entry, sent to a secondary inspection, asked for any documentary evidence, or the like.
Essentially, the conversation would go like this---and usually they only asked the first question before jumping to the end.
Me: Good evening, how are you?
Friendly CBP man: "What is the purpose of your visit?"
Me: Business.
CBP: "What kind of business?"
Me: Scientific collaboration.
CBP: "What kind of science?"
Me: I'm visiting Lawrence Livermore National Labs for three weeks to assist in a science experiment.
CBP: stamp
[I believe it is best to avoid the word "work" in these conversations. You are not working for the US lab, so don't say "work". If you say "work" then the CBP officer may have to investigate exactly what you mean by "work".]
This was in common with other members of my UK-based group; the only chap who had trouble entering the US from time to time was because some CBP staff enjoyed asking lengthy questions about why he had the name "Mohammed". But even he wasn't denied entry.
Once I had a CBP officer who was surprisingly knowledgeable about Debye shielding in plasma physics, and who seemed to want to catch me out in my explanation of how to derive it (a harder question than I ever got in my viva!), but that was it.
Of course your experience may be different, but in my recollection I am not aware of any researcher holding a European passport who ever encountered difficulty in entering the US under these circumstances.
You have not been asked for documentation, I gather your colleagues have not, I have not (limited sample but don't know anyone who has been, less limited) - do you happen to know anyone that was asked?
– pnuts
Jan 16 '17 at 17:45
"the only chap who had trouble entering the US from time to time was because some CBP staff enjoyed asking lengthy questions about why he had the name "Mohammed"." I'm reminded of this comic.
– reirab
Jan 16 '17 at 20:15
add a comment |
This is just an answer from my own experience rather than an authoritative written source.
Back when I was a PhD student, I did this several times a year. I was a British citizen attached to a U.K. institution informally invited to assist in work at a couple of US laboratories. By "informally invited", I mean, the US lab would ask my advisor to assist them, but he didn't want to go so he would ask me to go instead. This would be arranged by emails and usually I would get notice of it a few days beforehand from my advisor, if he remembered to tell me. I was not paid by the labs but I sometimes received travel expenses from them. I always entered under the VWP and was (as now) often questioned about my purpose. On no occasion was I denied entry, sent to a secondary inspection, asked for any documentary evidence, or the like.
Essentially, the conversation would go like this---and usually they only asked the first question before jumping to the end.
Me: Good evening, how are you?
Friendly CBP man: "What is the purpose of your visit?"
Me: Business.
CBP: "What kind of business?"
Me: Scientific collaboration.
CBP: "What kind of science?"
Me: I'm visiting Lawrence Livermore National Labs for three weeks to assist in a science experiment.
CBP: stamp
[I believe it is best to avoid the word "work" in these conversations. You are not working for the US lab, so don't say "work". If you say "work" then the CBP officer may have to investigate exactly what you mean by "work".]
This was in common with other members of my UK-based group; the only chap who had trouble entering the US from time to time was because some CBP staff enjoyed asking lengthy questions about why he had the name "Mohammed". But even he wasn't denied entry.
Once I had a CBP officer who was surprisingly knowledgeable about Debye shielding in plasma physics, and who seemed to want to catch me out in my explanation of how to derive it (a harder question than I ever got in my viva!), but that was it.
Of course your experience may be different, but in my recollection I am not aware of any researcher holding a European passport who ever encountered difficulty in entering the US under these circumstances.
This is just an answer from my own experience rather than an authoritative written source.
Back when I was a PhD student, I did this several times a year. I was a British citizen attached to a U.K. institution informally invited to assist in work at a couple of US laboratories. By "informally invited", I mean, the US lab would ask my advisor to assist them, but he didn't want to go so he would ask me to go instead. This would be arranged by emails and usually I would get notice of it a few days beforehand from my advisor, if he remembered to tell me. I was not paid by the labs but I sometimes received travel expenses from them. I always entered under the VWP and was (as now) often questioned about my purpose. On no occasion was I denied entry, sent to a secondary inspection, asked for any documentary evidence, or the like.
Essentially, the conversation would go like this---and usually they only asked the first question before jumping to the end.
Me: Good evening, how are you?
Friendly CBP man: "What is the purpose of your visit?"
Me: Business.
CBP: "What kind of business?"
Me: Scientific collaboration.
CBP: "What kind of science?"
Me: I'm visiting Lawrence Livermore National Labs for three weeks to assist in a science experiment.
CBP: stamp
[I believe it is best to avoid the word "work" in these conversations. You are not working for the US lab, so don't say "work". If you say "work" then the CBP officer may have to investigate exactly what you mean by "work".]
This was in common with other members of my UK-based group; the only chap who had trouble entering the US from time to time was because some CBP staff enjoyed asking lengthy questions about why he had the name "Mohammed". But even he wasn't denied entry.
Once I had a CBP officer who was surprisingly knowledgeable about Debye shielding in plasma physics, and who seemed to want to catch me out in my explanation of how to derive it (a harder question than I ever got in my viva!), but that was it.
Of course your experience may be different, but in my recollection I am not aware of any researcher holding a European passport who ever encountered difficulty in entering the US under these circumstances.
edited Jan 16 '17 at 17:28
answered Jan 16 '17 at 16:59
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You have not been asked for documentation, I gather your colleagues have not, I have not (limited sample but don't know anyone who has been, less limited) - do you happen to know anyone that was asked?
– pnuts
Jan 16 '17 at 17:45
"the only chap who had trouble entering the US from time to time was because some CBP staff enjoyed asking lengthy questions about why he had the name "Mohammed"." I'm reminded of this comic.
– reirab
Jan 16 '17 at 20:15
add a comment |
You have not been asked for documentation, I gather your colleagues have not, I have not (limited sample but don't know anyone who has been, less limited) - do you happen to know anyone that was asked?
– pnuts
Jan 16 '17 at 17:45
"the only chap who had trouble entering the US from time to time was because some CBP staff enjoyed asking lengthy questions about why he had the name "Mohammed"." I'm reminded of this comic.
– reirab
Jan 16 '17 at 20:15
You have not been asked for documentation, I gather your colleagues have not, I have not (limited sample but don't know anyone who has been, less limited) - do you happen to know anyone that was asked?
– pnuts
Jan 16 '17 at 17:45
You have not been asked for documentation, I gather your colleagues have not, I have not (limited sample but don't know anyone who has been, less limited) - do you happen to know anyone that was asked?
– pnuts
Jan 16 '17 at 17:45
"the only chap who had trouble entering the US from time to time was because some CBP staff enjoyed asking lengthy questions about why he had the name "Mohammed"." I'm reminded of this comic.
– reirab
Jan 16 '17 at 20:15
"the only chap who had trouble entering the US from time to time was because some CBP staff enjoyed asking lengthy questions about why he had the name "Mohammed"." I'm reminded of this comic.
– reirab
Jan 16 '17 at 20:15
add a comment |
You definitely should get a letter of invitation from the institution stating the duration and motive of your stay, as well as the fact that you will receive no compensation for what your're doing.
This is a sample letter
This is because when a VWP national presents their passport, they apply for admission in WT (tourist) status by default. You, however, want to get in in WB (business) status, which has slightly more privileges (explained below); hence you'll want to convince the CBP that that's the status you should be admitted in.
On its website, the University of California states, regarding visiting them for lab observations/research:
It is not appropriate for WTs to participate in UCSF activities.
In essence, doing activities that could be considered a form of work (but of course without being paid by a US employer) is not recommended if in WT Status - therefore if planning to do them, one should enter in WB status, and double-check the assigned admission class written by hand below the entry stamp.
If using an APC kiosk (which you likely will - depends on the airport), select WB as the desired admission class.
I remember before the days of Global Entry or APC, you used to have those white paper customs forms which said "Is the primary purpose of your visit business?" Surely if you tick that box and hand that to CBP, then they would not argue you sought admission as a tourist?
– Calchas
Jan 16 '17 at 17:19
Thanks, this was useful too. I will try and get the letter just in case. What are the "extra privilges" under WB status?
– jmm
Jan 16 '17 at 21:11
@jmm Updated my answer
– Crazydre
Jan 19 '17 at 2:25
add a comment |
You definitely should get a letter of invitation from the institution stating the duration and motive of your stay, as well as the fact that you will receive no compensation for what your're doing.
This is a sample letter
This is because when a VWP national presents their passport, they apply for admission in WT (tourist) status by default. You, however, want to get in in WB (business) status, which has slightly more privileges (explained below); hence you'll want to convince the CBP that that's the status you should be admitted in.
On its website, the University of California states, regarding visiting them for lab observations/research:
It is not appropriate for WTs to participate in UCSF activities.
In essence, doing activities that could be considered a form of work (but of course without being paid by a US employer) is not recommended if in WT Status - therefore if planning to do them, one should enter in WB status, and double-check the assigned admission class written by hand below the entry stamp.
If using an APC kiosk (which you likely will - depends on the airport), select WB as the desired admission class.
I remember before the days of Global Entry or APC, you used to have those white paper customs forms which said "Is the primary purpose of your visit business?" Surely if you tick that box and hand that to CBP, then they would not argue you sought admission as a tourist?
– Calchas
Jan 16 '17 at 17:19
Thanks, this was useful too. I will try and get the letter just in case. What are the "extra privilges" under WB status?
– jmm
Jan 16 '17 at 21:11
@jmm Updated my answer
– Crazydre
Jan 19 '17 at 2:25
add a comment |
You definitely should get a letter of invitation from the institution stating the duration and motive of your stay, as well as the fact that you will receive no compensation for what your're doing.
This is a sample letter
This is because when a VWP national presents their passport, they apply for admission in WT (tourist) status by default. You, however, want to get in in WB (business) status, which has slightly more privileges (explained below); hence you'll want to convince the CBP that that's the status you should be admitted in.
On its website, the University of California states, regarding visiting them for lab observations/research:
It is not appropriate for WTs to participate in UCSF activities.
In essence, doing activities that could be considered a form of work (but of course without being paid by a US employer) is not recommended if in WT Status - therefore if planning to do them, one should enter in WB status, and double-check the assigned admission class written by hand below the entry stamp.
If using an APC kiosk (which you likely will - depends on the airport), select WB as the desired admission class.
You definitely should get a letter of invitation from the institution stating the duration and motive of your stay, as well as the fact that you will receive no compensation for what your're doing.
This is a sample letter
This is because when a VWP national presents their passport, they apply for admission in WT (tourist) status by default. You, however, want to get in in WB (business) status, which has slightly more privileges (explained below); hence you'll want to convince the CBP that that's the status you should be admitted in.
On its website, the University of California states, regarding visiting them for lab observations/research:
It is not appropriate for WTs to participate in UCSF activities.
In essence, doing activities that could be considered a form of work (but of course without being paid by a US employer) is not recommended if in WT Status - therefore if planning to do them, one should enter in WB status, and double-check the assigned admission class written by hand below the entry stamp.
If using an APC kiosk (which you likely will - depends on the airport), select WB as the desired admission class.
edited Jan 19 '17 at 2:27
answered Jan 16 '17 at 16:50
CrazydreCrazydre
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I remember before the days of Global Entry or APC, you used to have those white paper customs forms which said "Is the primary purpose of your visit business?" Surely if you tick that box and hand that to CBP, then they would not argue you sought admission as a tourist?
– Calchas
Jan 16 '17 at 17:19
Thanks, this was useful too. I will try and get the letter just in case. What are the "extra privilges" under WB status?
– jmm
Jan 16 '17 at 21:11
@jmm Updated my answer
– Crazydre
Jan 19 '17 at 2:25
add a comment |
I remember before the days of Global Entry or APC, you used to have those white paper customs forms which said "Is the primary purpose of your visit business?" Surely if you tick that box and hand that to CBP, then they would not argue you sought admission as a tourist?
– Calchas
Jan 16 '17 at 17:19
Thanks, this was useful too. I will try and get the letter just in case. What are the "extra privilges" under WB status?
– jmm
Jan 16 '17 at 21:11
@jmm Updated my answer
– Crazydre
Jan 19 '17 at 2:25
I remember before the days of Global Entry or APC, you used to have those white paper customs forms which said "Is the primary purpose of your visit business?" Surely if you tick that box and hand that to CBP, then they would not argue you sought admission as a tourist?
– Calchas
Jan 16 '17 at 17:19
I remember before the days of Global Entry or APC, you used to have those white paper customs forms which said "Is the primary purpose of your visit business?" Surely if you tick that box and hand that to CBP, then they would not argue you sought admission as a tourist?
– Calchas
Jan 16 '17 at 17:19
Thanks, this was useful too. I will try and get the letter just in case. What are the "extra privilges" under WB status?
– jmm
Jan 16 '17 at 21:11
Thanks, this was useful too. I will try and get the letter just in case. What are the "extra privilges" under WB status?
– jmm
Jan 16 '17 at 21:11
@jmm Updated my answer
– Crazydre
Jan 19 '17 at 2:25
@jmm Updated my answer
– Crazydre
Jan 19 '17 at 2:25
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What documments should I bring with me to show to the border officer?
Theoretically nothing. This is not a visa interview. But you are being prudent which is never a bad idea.
I will be visiting a university lab, but I am not receiving any salary or income from them and they will not benefit from me being there
This. Exactly this. I presume this is a longer, arranged visit so get a letter stating this from the university lab on official letterhead and stamp. If it contains the name and phone of someone the CBP can contact it's even better but I sincerely doubt you'd need that on the border.
1
"theoretically nothing": how can that statement be correct ? Theoretically the traveler should bring documentation allowing him to substantiate his claims about the purpose and conditions of the visit. If he says he'll be doing research in a US lab, there's a good chance the immigration officer will want to see hard evidence that he's not being paid by a US source.
– phoog
Jan 16 '17 at 16:24
@phoog research does not necessarily mean work and hence paid or not, US source or not make no difference.
– pnuts
Jan 16 '17 at 16:42
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@pnuts in what universe is laboratory research not "work"? In what situation could a US entity pay someone for performing laboratory research and not be seen as a US source of earned income? Regardless, my point stands: the immigration official is likely to want evidence of the relationship between the traveler and the institution to ascertain that the trip is allowed under the VWP. The traveler has the burden of proof of his nonimmigrant intent and that he is applying for entry in an appropriate status and should therefore have evidence to support it.
– phoog
Jan 16 '17 at 17:11
@phoog What I meant was that "being paid by a US source" can be irrelevant as far as research is concerned.
– pnuts
Jan 16 '17 at 17:20
@phoog In the field of science I used to work in, it was very routine for academics and researchers to visit other labs and assist on an informal, unpaid and ad hoc basis. Essentially you would find that person Y now working at X lab would be a useful person to have involved, so you invited her (or more usually, her postdoc/student). The assistance would be reciprocated at some other time. I am speaking of public sector scientists, not commercial work, so no money changed hands. CBP seemed clued up on it and did not question it. Of course, YMMV.
– Calchas
Jan 19 '17 at 9:44
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What documments should I bring with me to show to the border officer?
Theoretically nothing. This is not a visa interview. But you are being prudent which is never a bad idea.
I will be visiting a university lab, but I am not receiving any salary or income from them and they will not benefit from me being there
This. Exactly this. I presume this is a longer, arranged visit so get a letter stating this from the university lab on official letterhead and stamp. If it contains the name and phone of someone the CBP can contact it's even better but I sincerely doubt you'd need that on the border.
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"theoretically nothing": how can that statement be correct ? Theoretically the traveler should bring documentation allowing him to substantiate his claims about the purpose and conditions of the visit. If he says he'll be doing research in a US lab, there's a good chance the immigration officer will want to see hard evidence that he's not being paid by a US source.
– phoog
Jan 16 '17 at 16:24
@phoog research does not necessarily mean work and hence paid or not, US source or not make no difference.
– pnuts
Jan 16 '17 at 16:42
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@pnuts in what universe is laboratory research not "work"? In what situation could a US entity pay someone for performing laboratory research and not be seen as a US source of earned income? Regardless, my point stands: the immigration official is likely to want evidence of the relationship between the traveler and the institution to ascertain that the trip is allowed under the VWP. The traveler has the burden of proof of his nonimmigrant intent and that he is applying for entry in an appropriate status and should therefore have evidence to support it.
– phoog
Jan 16 '17 at 17:11
@phoog What I meant was that "being paid by a US source" can be irrelevant as far as research is concerned.
– pnuts
Jan 16 '17 at 17:20
@phoog In the field of science I used to work in, it was very routine for academics and researchers to visit other labs and assist on an informal, unpaid and ad hoc basis. Essentially you would find that person Y now working at X lab would be a useful person to have involved, so you invited her (or more usually, her postdoc/student). The assistance would be reciprocated at some other time. I am speaking of public sector scientists, not commercial work, so no money changed hands. CBP seemed clued up on it and did not question it. Of course, YMMV.
– Calchas
Jan 19 '17 at 9:44
|
show 2 more comments
What documments should I bring with me to show to the border officer?
Theoretically nothing. This is not a visa interview. But you are being prudent which is never a bad idea.
I will be visiting a university lab, but I am not receiving any salary or income from them and they will not benefit from me being there
This. Exactly this. I presume this is a longer, arranged visit so get a letter stating this from the university lab on official letterhead and stamp. If it contains the name and phone of someone the CBP can contact it's even better but I sincerely doubt you'd need that on the border.
What documments should I bring with me to show to the border officer?
Theoretically nothing. This is not a visa interview. But you are being prudent which is never a bad idea.
I will be visiting a university lab, but I am not receiving any salary or income from them and they will not benefit from me being there
This. Exactly this. I presume this is a longer, arranged visit so get a letter stating this from the university lab on official letterhead and stamp. If it contains the name and phone of someone the CBP can contact it's even better but I sincerely doubt you'd need that on the border.
answered Jan 16 '17 at 13:13
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"theoretically nothing": how can that statement be correct ? Theoretically the traveler should bring documentation allowing him to substantiate his claims about the purpose and conditions of the visit. If he says he'll be doing research in a US lab, there's a good chance the immigration officer will want to see hard evidence that he's not being paid by a US source.
– phoog
Jan 16 '17 at 16:24
@phoog research does not necessarily mean work and hence paid or not, US source or not make no difference.
– pnuts
Jan 16 '17 at 16:42
1
@pnuts in what universe is laboratory research not "work"? In what situation could a US entity pay someone for performing laboratory research and not be seen as a US source of earned income? Regardless, my point stands: the immigration official is likely to want evidence of the relationship between the traveler and the institution to ascertain that the trip is allowed under the VWP. The traveler has the burden of proof of his nonimmigrant intent and that he is applying for entry in an appropriate status and should therefore have evidence to support it.
– phoog
Jan 16 '17 at 17:11
@phoog What I meant was that "being paid by a US source" can be irrelevant as far as research is concerned.
– pnuts
Jan 16 '17 at 17:20
@phoog In the field of science I used to work in, it was very routine for academics and researchers to visit other labs and assist on an informal, unpaid and ad hoc basis. Essentially you would find that person Y now working at X lab would be a useful person to have involved, so you invited her (or more usually, her postdoc/student). The assistance would be reciprocated at some other time. I am speaking of public sector scientists, not commercial work, so no money changed hands. CBP seemed clued up on it and did not question it. Of course, YMMV.
– Calchas
Jan 19 '17 at 9:44
|
show 2 more comments
1
"theoretically nothing": how can that statement be correct ? Theoretically the traveler should bring documentation allowing him to substantiate his claims about the purpose and conditions of the visit. If he says he'll be doing research in a US lab, there's a good chance the immigration officer will want to see hard evidence that he's not being paid by a US source.
– phoog
Jan 16 '17 at 16:24
@phoog research does not necessarily mean work and hence paid or not, US source or not make no difference.
– pnuts
Jan 16 '17 at 16:42
1
@pnuts in what universe is laboratory research not "work"? In what situation could a US entity pay someone for performing laboratory research and not be seen as a US source of earned income? Regardless, my point stands: the immigration official is likely to want evidence of the relationship between the traveler and the institution to ascertain that the trip is allowed under the VWP. The traveler has the burden of proof of his nonimmigrant intent and that he is applying for entry in an appropriate status and should therefore have evidence to support it.
– phoog
Jan 16 '17 at 17:11
@phoog What I meant was that "being paid by a US source" can be irrelevant as far as research is concerned.
– pnuts
Jan 16 '17 at 17:20
@phoog In the field of science I used to work in, it was very routine for academics and researchers to visit other labs and assist on an informal, unpaid and ad hoc basis. Essentially you would find that person Y now working at X lab would be a useful person to have involved, so you invited her (or more usually, her postdoc/student). The assistance would be reciprocated at some other time. I am speaking of public sector scientists, not commercial work, so no money changed hands. CBP seemed clued up on it and did not question it. Of course, YMMV.
– Calchas
Jan 19 '17 at 9:44
1
1
"theoretically nothing": how can that statement be correct ? Theoretically the traveler should bring documentation allowing him to substantiate his claims about the purpose and conditions of the visit. If he says he'll be doing research in a US lab, there's a good chance the immigration officer will want to see hard evidence that he's not being paid by a US source.
– phoog
Jan 16 '17 at 16:24
"theoretically nothing": how can that statement be correct ? Theoretically the traveler should bring documentation allowing him to substantiate his claims about the purpose and conditions of the visit. If he says he'll be doing research in a US lab, there's a good chance the immigration officer will want to see hard evidence that he's not being paid by a US source.
– phoog
Jan 16 '17 at 16:24
@phoog research does not necessarily mean work and hence paid or not, US source or not make no difference.
– pnuts
Jan 16 '17 at 16:42
@phoog research does not necessarily mean work and hence paid or not, US source or not make no difference.
– pnuts
Jan 16 '17 at 16:42
1
1
@pnuts in what universe is laboratory research not "work"? In what situation could a US entity pay someone for performing laboratory research and not be seen as a US source of earned income? Regardless, my point stands: the immigration official is likely to want evidence of the relationship between the traveler and the institution to ascertain that the trip is allowed under the VWP. The traveler has the burden of proof of his nonimmigrant intent and that he is applying for entry in an appropriate status and should therefore have evidence to support it.
– phoog
Jan 16 '17 at 17:11
@pnuts in what universe is laboratory research not "work"? In what situation could a US entity pay someone for performing laboratory research and not be seen as a US source of earned income? Regardless, my point stands: the immigration official is likely to want evidence of the relationship between the traveler and the institution to ascertain that the trip is allowed under the VWP. The traveler has the burden of proof of his nonimmigrant intent and that he is applying for entry in an appropriate status and should therefore have evidence to support it.
– phoog
Jan 16 '17 at 17:11
@phoog What I meant was that "being paid by a US source" can be irrelevant as far as research is concerned.
– pnuts
Jan 16 '17 at 17:20
@phoog What I meant was that "being paid by a US source" can be irrelevant as far as research is concerned.
– pnuts
Jan 16 '17 at 17:20
@phoog In the field of science I used to work in, it was very routine for academics and researchers to visit other labs and assist on an informal, unpaid and ad hoc basis. Essentially you would find that person Y now working at X lab would be a useful person to have involved, so you invited her (or more usually, her postdoc/student). The assistance would be reciprocated at some other time. I am speaking of public sector scientists, not commercial work, so no money changed hands. CBP seemed clued up on it and did not question it. Of course, YMMV.
– Calchas
Jan 19 '17 at 9:44
@phoog In the field of science I used to work in, it was very routine for academics and researchers to visit other labs and assist on an informal, unpaid and ad hoc basis. Essentially you would find that person Y now working at X lab would be a useful person to have involved, so you invited her (or more usually, her postdoc/student). The assistance would be reciprocated at some other time. I am speaking of public sector scientists, not commercial work, so no money changed hands. CBP seemed clued up on it and did not question it. Of course, YMMV.
– Calchas
Jan 19 '17 at 9:44
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