Commute between Birmingham Centre and Airport
I will be spending a weekend in June next year (Thursday to Sunday) in Birmingham. I will most likely sleep in some cheap place in the city but I will spend days at National Exhibition Centre which is close to the airport. Because of this I will commute using train between New Street and Airport railway stations every day (probably from airport to city on Thursday and then city -> airport in the morning, airport -> city in the evening on following 3 days).
What is the most cost-effective way of doing this?
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I will be spending a weekend in June next year (Thursday to Sunday) in Birmingham. I will most likely sleep in some cheap place in the city but I will spend days at National Exhibition Centre which is close to the airport. Because of this I will commute using train between New Street and Airport railway stations every day (probably from airport to city on Thursday and then city -> airport in the morning, airport -> city in the evening on following 3 days).
What is the most cost-effective way of doing this?
uk trains commute
Related: travel.stackexchange.com/questions/82912/…
– JonathanReez♦
Nov 22 '16 at 12:44
What have you found so far?
– pnuts
Nov 22 '16 at 12:48
I found a good train connection which seems to be the way to go. I could not find any details on pricing of this connection (if there are any weekend tickets, multiple ride tickets, group discounts and so on)
– jacek_wi
Nov 22 '16 at 13:05
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I will be spending a weekend in June next year (Thursday to Sunday) in Birmingham. I will most likely sleep in some cheap place in the city but I will spend days at National Exhibition Centre which is close to the airport. Because of this I will commute using train between New Street and Airport railway stations every day (probably from airport to city on Thursday and then city -> airport in the morning, airport -> city in the evening on following 3 days).
What is the most cost-effective way of doing this?
uk trains commute
I will be spending a weekend in June next year (Thursday to Sunday) in Birmingham. I will most likely sleep in some cheap place in the city but I will spend days at National Exhibition Centre which is close to the airport. Because of this I will commute using train between New Street and Airport railway stations every day (probably from airport to city on Thursday and then city -> airport in the morning, airport -> city in the evening on following 3 days).
What is the most cost-effective way of doing this?
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Related: travel.stackexchange.com/questions/82912/…
– JonathanReez♦
Nov 22 '16 at 12:44
What have you found so far?
– pnuts
Nov 22 '16 at 12:48
I found a good train connection which seems to be the way to go. I could not find any details on pricing of this connection (if there are any weekend tickets, multiple ride tickets, group discounts and so on)
– jacek_wi
Nov 22 '16 at 13:05
add a comment |
Related: travel.stackexchange.com/questions/82912/…
– JonathanReez♦
Nov 22 '16 at 12:44
What have you found so far?
– pnuts
Nov 22 '16 at 12:48
I found a good train connection which seems to be the way to go. I could not find any details on pricing of this connection (if there are any weekend tickets, multiple ride tickets, group discounts and so on)
– jacek_wi
Nov 22 '16 at 13:05
Related: travel.stackexchange.com/questions/82912/…
– JonathanReez♦
Nov 22 '16 at 12:44
Related: travel.stackexchange.com/questions/82912/…
– JonathanReez♦
Nov 22 '16 at 12:44
What have you found so far?
– pnuts
Nov 22 '16 at 12:48
What have you found so far?
– pnuts
Nov 22 '16 at 12:48
I found a good train connection which seems to be the way to go. I could not find any details on pricing of this connection (if there are any weekend tickets, multiple ride tickets, group discounts and so on)
– jacek_wi
Nov 22 '16 at 13:05
I found a good train connection which seems to be the way to go. I could not find any details on pricing of this connection (if there are any weekend tickets, multiple ride tickets, group discounts and so on)
– jacek_wi
Nov 22 '16 at 13:05
add a comment |
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I don't know how familiar you are with UK rail ticketing, but here are some details beyond what you've already been given (prices now updated for January 2017, unlikely to change throughout the year).
My source for this is BRFares, which is an unofficial site that displays data directly from the fares database. While a bit technical in operation (it displays all sorts of fares that aren't always available for purchase), it lets you see available fares from the perspective of the fares themselves rather than from the perspective of the journeys, which is convenient for this sort of question.
This is further complicated by the fact that the West Midlands has its own Passenger Transport Executive which set their own special fares. However, looking through these, I didn't find any that might be useful for you over and above what's listed on BRFares.
A couple of final things; it's commonly cheaper to buy a return than two singles in the UK, and this journey is no exception; but there's a caveat caused by the weird Network West Midlands fares. Also, there's no need to book tickets in advance, since for such a short journey there is no discount for doing so. You may as well buy them from the vending machine or ticket office at the station of origin each day.
I will assume, since you didn't mention it, that you don't have a railcard. Even if you are eligible for one, it won't be worth it for you to buy one unless you intend to make some more expensive domestic rail journeys in the UK in the same year.
(Note that no train gets overtaken between Birmingham International and Birmingham New Street so you should always take the one expected to depart next, even if it's an all-stations stopper!)
So, with that in mind, here are your options:
- Anytime Day Return with route Any Permitted: £6.90. Valid for a journey from New Street to International and back within one day (or up to 04:29am the following day), valid on any train running between these two stations (as well as breaking your journey at intermediate stations in the unlikely event you need to use them). Simplest option.
- Off-peak Day Return with route Any Permitted: £4.80. Same as above, but you cannot use this on weekdays at the busiest times of day (note that it's valid all the time at weekends). For this particular ticket, on the outward portion you can't leave Birmingham New Street before 09:30 or between 16:35 and 18:00, and on the return portion you can't use any trains timed to leave Birmingham New Street between 16:35 and 18:00 (which is a bit odd, as it implies you can travel during this time but only on trains that terminate at Birmingham New Street rather than travelling through...). I would go for this if I knew I would be safely avoiding travelling during those times, and certainly buy this for the weekends or you'll be wasting money.
- Off-peak and Anytime Day Returns with route Virgin Westcoast: I would avoid. They ARE slightly cheaper (£3.90 and £5.60 respectively) but make up for it by reducing your choice of trains from approximately nine per hour to approximately three per hour (those run by Virgin Trains only). The off-peak also has the same restrictions as above.
- Anytime Day Single: Like the return but only in one direction. Also comes in "Any Permitted" and "Virgin Westcoast" flavours, £3.70 or £3.10 respectively. Avoid unless it's the last journey you'll be making that day! There is no off-peak single for this route.
- Anytime Return: Not to be confused with Anytime Day Return. £7.20 or £6.10 for "Any Permitted" and "Virgin Westcoast" respectively. Valid for one journey out within five days of the date it's purchased for, followed by one journey back within one month of the date it's purchased for, with no restrictions on peak-time validity. Probably not useful for your journeys, but I'm including it just in case, and to highlight the possible confusion by the similar names!
- Evening Day Return (in some literature referred to as Super Off-Peak): £2.50. Valid only after 18:30, and again only for one day. A single is available for the same price. If you plan to leave before 09:30 but come back after 18:30, buying a combination of an Anytime Day Single and an Evening Day Single might be your cheapest bet (£6.20 vs £6.90 for the Anytime Day Return).
- Group-discounted tickets DO exist. There's a daytime group discount called GroupSave that gives you 1/3 off the anytime and off-peak day single and return fares for three or more people travelling together, BUT I believe London Midland is the only operator in the area who accept it, so once again it limits your choice of train (to about four per hour). Type GS3 into the discount box on BRFares to see the prices per person with this discount.
- There's also an evening group ticket that doesn't suffer from the same operator restrictions as it's a product of Network West Midlands. It's £6 for up to four people travelling together, and has the same validity as the evening singles and returns.
So, TL;DR: I would buy off-peak or anytime day returns as required (with route Any Permitted), each morning from the ticket machine, except for the case where you're leaving before 09:30 and returning after 18:30, in which case I'd use a combination of an Anytime Day Single and an Evening Day Single. I would forget group restrictions except where you'd normally use an evening single, when you might get a better price by buying an evening group return instead. If this is all too complex for you and money isn't that tight, just go for the Anytime Day Returns!
1
I have no idea how precisely correct you are but +1 (more if I could!) for an answer to UK train ticket pricing I can understand. It is the recondite pricing system as much as anything that means I usually drive.
– pnuts
Dec 29 '16 at 19:04
1
Yeah, I completely agree. It's the unfortunate circumstance though that each ticket exists for a purpose, and overhauling the whole system would be very unpopular with many people because it would necessarily increase fares for certain use cases (or reduce income for the operators). Every time the rail companies or a local authority want to introduce a discount for certain situations in which people would not have travelled before, it just adds further complication to the system as a whole (see the Evening tickets here, those are a Network West Midlands product and don't exist on most routes).
– Muzer
Jan 3 '17 at 10:01
2
IMHO one thing to improve the situation would be to make all these restrictions less arcane to discover. The new ticket layout that is being (very slowly) rolled out sort of helps by having a direct link to the restrictions information (whereas you had to know how to find it before). But what would really help is a feature that ATOC (company behind National Rail Enquiries) have promised for a long time and never delivered; having a comprehensive tool to tell you for a given ticket all the trains it's valid on.
– Muzer
Jan 3 '17 at 10:12
So we can at least hope for better times! I think I understand the economics of market segmentation but the complexity does itself have a cost, eg drives me away, computer systems, staff training, complaint handling etc etc.
– pnuts
Jan 3 '17 at 14:11
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For Train times, information and pricing, see National Rail Enquiries.
For the duration of time you'll be doing this, and the fact that you may be able to travel at off-peak times, it's unlikely that a season ticket would make any sense. There may be group rates available, just put in the number of travellers when searching on national rail. It's also possible to get a railcard, however, for such a short journey, it's unlikely to be worth it unless you plan to make further use of rail travel in the UK this year.
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Well, you could walk it. It is only 7-8 miles.. so not exactly tough. Brisk walk would get you there in under 2 hours.
But, just get the train. It's like £3-4 each way and takes about 15 mins... That's pretty crazy cheap.
I found this train and definitely will be using it, but could not find any website with pricing details where I could check for weekend offers, multiple ride tickets, group discounts (I might be there with a few friends) and so on
– jacek_wi
Nov 22 '16 at 13:03
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I don't know how familiar you are with UK rail ticketing, but here are some details beyond what you've already been given (prices now updated for January 2017, unlikely to change throughout the year).
My source for this is BRFares, which is an unofficial site that displays data directly from the fares database. While a bit technical in operation (it displays all sorts of fares that aren't always available for purchase), it lets you see available fares from the perspective of the fares themselves rather than from the perspective of the journeys, which is convenient for this sort of question.
This is further complicated by the fact that the West Midlands has its own Passenger Transport Executive which set their own special fares. However, looking through these, I didn't find any that might be useful for you over and above what's listed on BRFares.
A couple of final things; it's commonly cheaper to buy a return than two singles in the UK, and this journey is no exception; but there's a caveat caused by the weird Network West Midlands fares. Also, there's no need to book tickets in advance, since for such a short journey there is no discount for doing so. You may as well buy them from the vending machine or ticket office at the station of origin each day.
I will assume, since you didn't mention it, that you don't have a railcard. Even if you are eligible for one, it won't be worth it for you to buy one unless you intend to make some more expensive domestic rail journeys in the UK in the same year.
(Note that no train gets overtaken between Birmingham International and Birmingham New Street so you should always take the one expected to depart next, even if it's an all-stations stopper!)
So, with that in mind, here are your options:
- Anytime Day Return with route Any Permitted: £6.90. Valid for a journey from New Street to International and back within one day (or up to 04:29am the following day), valid on any train running between these two stations (as well as breaking your journey at intermediate stations in the unlikely event you need to use them). Simplest option.
- Off-peak Day Return with route Any Permitted: £4.80. Same as above, but you cannot use this on weekdays at the busiest times of day (note that it's valid all the time at weekends). For this particular ticket, on the outward portion you can't leave Birmingham New Street before 09:30 or between 16:35 and 18:00, and on the return portion you can't use any trains timed to leave Birmingham New Street between 16:35 and 18:00 (which is a bit odd, as it implies you can travel during this time but only on trains that terminate at Birmingham New Street rather than travelling through...). I would go for this if I knew I would be safely avoiding travelling during those times, and certainly buy this for the weekends or you'll be wasting money.
- Off-peak and Anytime Day Returns with route Virgin Westcoast: I would avoid. They ARE slightly cheaper (£3.90 and £5.60 respectively) but make up for it by reducing your choice of trains from approximately nine per hour to approximately three per hour (those run by Virgin Trains only). The off-peak also has the same restrictions as above.
- Anytime Day Single: Like the return but only in one direction. Also comes in "Any Permitted" and "Virgin Westcoast" flavours, £3.70 or £3.10 respectively. Avoid unless it's the last journey you'll be making that day! There is no off-peak single for this route.
- Anytime Return: Not to be confused with Anytime Day Return. £7.20 or £6.10 for "Any Permitted" and "Virgin Westcoast" respectively. Valid for one journey out within five days of the date it's purchased for, followed by one journey back within one month of the date it's purchased for, with no restrictions on peak-time validity. Probably not useful for your journeys, but I'm including it just in case, and to highlight the possible confusion by the similar names!
- Evening Day Return (in some literature referred to as Super Off-Peak): £2.50. Valid only after 18:30, and again only for one day. A single is available for the same price. If you plan to leave before 09:30 but come back after 18:30, buying a combination of an Anytime Day Single and an Evening Day Single might be your cheapest bet (£6.20 vs £6.90 for the Anytime Day Return).
- Group-discounted tickets DO exist. There's a daytime group discount called GroupSave that gives you 1/3 off the anytime and off-peak day single and return fares for three or more people travelling together, BUT I believe London Midland is the only operator in the area who accept it, so once again it limits your choice of train (to about four per hour). Type GS3 into the discount box on BRFares to see the prices per person with this discount.
- There's also an evening group ticket that doesn't suffer from the same operator restrictions as it's a product of Network West Midlands. It's £6 for up to four people travelling together, and has the same validity as the evening singles and returns.
So, TL;DR: I would buy off-peak or anytime day returns as required (with route Any Permitted), each morning from the ticket machine, except for the case where you're leaving before 09:30 and returning after 18:30, in which case I'd use a combination of an Anytime Day Single and an Evening Day Single. I would forget group restrictions except where you'd normally use an evening single, when you might get a better price by buying an evening group return instead. If this is all too complex for you and money isn't that tight, just go for the Anytime Day Returns!
1
I have no idea how precisely correct you are but +1 (more if I could!) for an answer to UK train ticket pricing I can understand. It is the recondite pricing system as much as anything that means I usually drive.
– pnuts
Dec 29 '16 at 19:04
1
Yeah, I completely agree. It's the unfortunate circumstance though that each ticket exists for a purpose, and overhauling the whole system would be very unpopular with many people because it would necessarily increase fares for certain use cases (or reduce income for the operators). Every time the rail companies or a local authority want to introduce a discount for certain situations in which people would not have travelled before, it just adds further complication to the system as a whole (see the Evening tickets here, those are a Network West Midlands product and don't exist on most routes).
– Muzer
Jan 3 '17 at 10:01
2
IMHO one thing to improve the situation would be to make all these restrictions less arcane to discover. The new ticket layout that is being (very slowly) rolled out sort of helps by having a direct link to the restrictions information (whereas you had to know how to find it before). But what would really help is a feature that ATOC (company behind National Rail Enquiries) have promised for a long time and never delivered; having a comprehensive tool to tell you for a given ticket all the trains it's valid on.
– Muzer
Jan 3 '17 at 10:12
So we can at least hope for better times! I think I understand the economics of market segmentation but the complexity does itself have a cost, eg drives me away, computer systems, staff training, complaint handling etc etc.
– pnuts
Jan 3 '17 at 14:11
add a comment |
I don't know how familiar you are with UK rail ticketing, but here are some details beyond what you've already been given (prices now updated for January 2017, unlikely to change throughout the year).
My source for this is BRFares, which is an unofficial site that displays data directly from the fares database. While a bit technical in operation (it displays all sorts of fares that aren't always available for purchase), it lets you see available fares from the perspective of the fares themselves rather than from the perspective of the journeys, which is convenient for this sort of question.
This is further complicated by the fact that the West Midlands has its own Passenger Transport Executive which set their own special fares. However, looking through these, I didn't find any that might be useful for you over and above what's listed on BRFares.
A couple of final things; it's commonly cheaper to buy a return than two singles in the UK, and this journey is no exception; but there's a caveat caused by the weird Network West Midlands fares. Also, there's no need to book tickets in advance, since for such a short journey there is no discount for doing so. You may as well buy them from the vending machine or ticket office at the station of origin each day.
I will assume, since you didn't mention it, that you don't have a railcard. Even if you are eligible for one, it won't be worth it for you to buy one unless you intend to make some more expensive domestic rail journeys in the UK in the same year.
(Note that no train gets overtaken between Birmingham International and Birmingham New Street so you should always take the one expected to depart next, even if it's an all-stations stopper!)
So, with that in mind, here are your options:
- Anytime Day Return with route Any Permitted: £6.90. Valid for a journey from New Street to International and back within one day (or up to 04:29am the following day), valid on any train running between these two stations (as well as breaking your journey at intermediate stations in the unlikely event you need to use them). Simplest option.
- Off-peak Day Return with route Any Permitted: £4.80. Same as above, but you cannot use this on weekdays at the busiest times of day (note that it's valid all the time at weekends). For this particular ticket, on the outward portion you can't leave Birmingham New Street before 09:30 or between 16:35 and 18:00, and on the return portion you can't use any trains timed to leave Birmingham New Street between 16:35 and 18:00 (which is a bit odd, as it implies you can travel during this time but only on trains that terminate at Birmingham New Street rather than travelling through...). I would go for this if I knew I would be safely avoiding travelling during those times, and certainly buy this for the weekends or you'll be wasting money.
- Off-peak and Anytime Day Returns with route Virgin Westcoast: I would avoid. They ARE slightly cheaper (£3.90 and £5.60 respectively) but make up for it by reducing your choice of trains from approximately nine per hour to approximately three per hour (those run by Virgin Trains only). The off-peak also has the same restrictions as above.
- Anytime Day Single: Like the return but only in one direction. Also comes in "Any Permitted" and "Virgin Westcoast" flavours, £3.70 or £3.10 respectively. Avoid unless it's the last journey you'll be making that day! There is no off-peak single for this route.
- Anytime Return: Not to be confused with Anytime Day Return. £7.20 or £6.10 for "Any Permitted" and "Virgin Westcoast" respectively. Valid for one journey out within five days of the date it's purchased for, followed by one journey back within one month of the date it's purchased for, with no restrictions on peak-time validity. Probably not useful for your journeys, but I'm including it just in case, and to highlight the possible confusion by the similar names!
- Evening Day Return (in some literature referred to as Super Off-Peak): £2.50. Valid only after 18:30, and again only for one day. A single is available for the same price. If you plan to leave before 09:30 but come back after 18:30, buying a combination of an Anytime Day Single and an Evening Day Single might be your cheapest bet (£6.20 vs £6.90 for the Anytime Day Return).
- Group-discounted tickets DO exist. There's a daytime group discount called GroupSave that gives you 1/3 off the anytime and off-peak day single and return fares for three or more people travelling together, BUT I believe London Midland is the only operator in the area who accept it, so once again it limits your choice of train (to about four per hour). Type GS3 into the discount box on BRFares to see the prices per person with this discount.
- There's also an evening group ticket that doesn't suffer from the same operator restrictions as it's a product of Network West Midlands. It's £6 for up to four people travelling together, and has the same validity as the evening singles and returns.
So, TL;DR: I would buy off-peak or anytime day returns as required (with route Any Permitted), each morning from the ticket machine, except for the case where you're leaving before 09:30 and returning after 18:30, in which case I'd use a combination of an Anytime Day Single and an Evening Day Single. I would forget group restrictions except where you'd normally use an evening single, when you might get a better price by buying an evening group return instead. If this is all too complex for you and money isn't that tight, just go for the Anytime Day Returns!
1
I have no idea how precisely correct you are but +1 (more if I could!) for an answer to UK train ticket pricing I can understand. It is the recondite pricing system as much as anything that means I usually drive.
– pnuts
Dec 29 '16 at 19:04
1
Yeah, I completely agree. It's the unfortunate circumstance though that each ticket exists for a purpose, and overhauling the whole system would be very unpopular with many people because it would necessarily increase fares for certain use cases (or reduce income for the operators). Every time the rail companies or a local authority want to introduce a discount for certain situations in which people would not have travelled before, it just adds further complication to the system as a whole (see the Evening tickets here, those are a Network West Midlands product and don't exist on most routes).
– Muzer
Jan 3 '17 at 10:01
2
IMHO one thing to improve the situation would be to make all these restrictions less arcane to discover. The new ticket layout that is being (very slowly) rolled out sort of helps by having a direct link to the restrictions information (whereas you had to know how to find it before). But what would really help is a feature that ATOC (company behind National Rail Enquiries) have promised for a long time and never delivered; having a comprehensive tool to tell you for a given ticket all the trains it's valid on.
– Muzer
Jan 3 '17 at 10:12
So we can at least hope for better times! I think I understand the economics of market segmentation but the complexity does itself have a cost, eg drives me away, computer systems, staff training, complaint handling etc etc.
– pnuts
Jan 3 '17 at 14:11
add a comment |
I don't know how familiar you are with UK rail ticketing, but here are some details beyond what you've already been given (prices now updated for January 2017, unlikely to change throughout the year).
My source for this is BRFares, which is an unofficial site that displays data directly from the fares database. While a bit technical in operation (it displays all sorts of fares that aren't always available for purchase), it lets you see available fares from the perspective of the fares themselves rather than from the perspective of the journeys, which is convenient for this sort of question.
This is further complicated by the fact that the West Midlands has its own Passenger Transport Executive which set their own special fares. However, looking through these, I didn't find any that might be useful for you over and above what's listed on BRFares.
A couple of final things; it's commonly cheaper to buy a return than two singles in the UK, and this journey is no exception; but there's a caveat caused by the weird Network West Midlands fares. Also, there's no need to book tickets in advance, since for such a short journey there is no discount for doing so. You may as well buy them from the vending machine or ticket office at the station of origin each day.
I will assume, since you didn't mention it, that you don't have a railcard. Even if you are eligible for one, it won't be worth it for you to buy one unless you intend to make some more expensive domestic rail journeys in the UK in the same year.
(Note that no train gets overtaken between Birmingham International and Birmingham New Street so you should always take the one expected to depart next, even if it's an all-stations stopper!)
So, with that in mind, here are your options:
- Anytime Day Return with route Any Permitted: £6.90. Valid for a journey from New Street to International and back within one day (or up to 04:29am the following day), valid on any train running between these two stations (as well as breaking your journey at intermediate stations in the unlikely event you need to use them). Simplest option.
- Off-peak Day Return with route Any Permitted: £4.80. Same as above, but you cannot use this on weekdays at the busiest times of day (note that it's valid all the time at weekends). For this particular ticket, on the outward portion you can't leave Birmingham New Street before 09:30 or between 16:35 and 18:00, and on the return portion you can't use any trains timed to leave Birmingham New Street between 16:35 and 18:00 (which is a bit odd, as it implies you can travel during this time but only on trains that terminate at Birmingham New Street rather than travelling through...). I would go for this if I knew I would be safely avoiding travelling during those times, and certainly buy this for the weekends or you'll be wasting money.
- Off-peak and Anytime Day Returns with route Virgin Westcoast: I would avoid. They ARE slightly cheaper (£3.90 and £5.60 respectively) but make up for it by reducing your choice of trains from approximately nine per hour to approximately three per hour (those run by Virgin Trains only). The off-peak also has the same restrictions as above.
- Anytime Day Single: Like the return but only in one direction. Also comes in "Any Permitted" and "Virgin Westcoast" flavours, £3.70 or £3.10 respectively. Avoid unless it's the last journey you'll be making that day! There is no off-peak single for this route.
- Anytime Return: Not to be confused with Anytime Day Return. £7.20 or £6.10 for "Any Permitted" and "Virgin Westcoast" respectively. Valid for one journey out within five days of the date it's purchased for, followed by one journey back within one month of the date it's purchased for, with no restrictions on peak-time validity. Probably not useful for your journeys, but I'm including it just in case, and to highlight the possible confusion by the similar names!
- Evening Day Return (in some literature referred to as Super Off-Peak): £2.50. Valid only after 18:30, and again only for one day. A single is available for the same price. If you plan to leave before 09:30 but come back after 18:30, buying a combination of an Anytime Day Single and an Evening Day Single might be your cheapest bet (£6.20 vs £6.90 for the Anytime Day Return).
- Group-discounted tickets DO exist. There's a daytime group discount called GroupSave that gives you 1/3 off the anytime and off-peak day single and return fares for three or more people travelling together, BUT I believe London Midland is the only operator in the area who accept it, so once again it limits your choice of train (to about four per hour). Type GS3 into the discount box on BRFares to see the prices per person with this discount.
- There's also an evening group ticket that doesn't suffer from the same operator restrictions as it's a product of Network West Midlands. It's £6 for up to four people travelling together, and has the same validity as the evening singles and returns.
So, TL;DR: I would buy off-peak or anytime day returns as required (with route Any Permitted), each morning from the ticket machine, except for the case where you're leaving before 09:30 and returning after 18:30, in which case I'd use a combination of an Anytime Day Single and an Evening Day Single. I would forget group restrictions except where you'd normally use an evening single, when you might get a better price by buying an evening group return instead. If this is all too complex for you and money isn't that tight, just go for the Anytime Day Returns!
I don't know how familiar you are with UK rail ticketing, but here are some details beyond what you've already been given (prices now updated for January 2017, unlikely to change throughout the year).
My source for this is BRFares, which is an unofficial site that displays data directly from the fares database. While a bit technical in operation (it displays all sorts of fares that aren't always available for purchase), it lets you see available fares from the perspective of the fares themselves rather than from the perspective of the journeys, which is convenient for this sort of question.
This is further complicated by the fact that the West Midlands has its own Passenger Transport Executive which set their own special fares. However, looking through these, I didn't find any that might be useful for you over and above what's listed on BRFares.
A couple of final things; it's commonly cheaper to buy a return than two singles in the UK, and this journey is no exception; but there's a caveat caused by the weird Network West Midlands fares. Also, there's no need to book tickets in advance, since for such a short journey there is no discount for doing so. You may as well buy them from the vending machine or ticket office at the station of origin each day.
I will assume, since you didn't mention it, that you don't have a railcard. Even if you are eligible for one, it won't be worth it for you to buy one unless you intend to make some more expensive domestic rail journeys in the UK in the same year.
(Note that no train gets overtaken between Birmingham International and Birmingham New Street so you should always take the one expected to depart next, even if it's an all-stations stopper!)
So, with that in mind, here are your options:
- Anytime Day Return with route Any Permitted: £6.90. Valid for a journey from New Street to International and back within one day (or up to 04:29am the following day), valid on any train running between these two stations (as well as breaking your journey at intermediate stations in the unlikely event you need to use them). Simplest option.
- Off-peak Day Return with route Any Permitted: £4.80. Same as above, but you cannot use this on weekdays at the busiest times of day (note that it's valid all the time at weekends). For this particular ticket, on the outward portion you can't leave Birmingham New Street before 09:30 or between 16:35 and 18:00, and on the return portion you can't use any trains timed to leave Birmingham New Street between 16:35 and 18:00 (which is a bit odd, as it implies you can travel during this time but only on trains that terminate at Birmingham New Street rather than travelling through...). I would go for this if I knew I would be safely avoiding travelling during those times, and certainly buy this for the weekends or you'll be wasting money.
- Off-peak and Anytime Day Returns with route Virgin Westcoast: I would avoid. They ARE slightly cheaper (£3.90 and £5.60 respectively) but make up for it by reducing your choice of trains from approximately nine per hour to approximately three per hour (those run by Virgin Trains only). The off-peak also has the same restrictions as above.
- Anytime Day Single: Like the return but only in one direction. Also comes in "Any Permitted" and "Virgin Westcoast" flavours, £3.70 or £3.10 respectively. Avoid unless it's the last journey you'll be making that day! There is no off-peak single for this route.
- Anytime Return: Not to be confused with Anytime Day Return. £7.20 or £6.10 for "Any Permitted" and "Virgin Westcoast" respectively. Valid for one journey out within five days of the date it's purchased for, followed by one journey back within one month of the date it's purchased for, with no restrictions on peak-time validity. Probably not useful for your journeys, but I'm including it just in case, and to highlight the possible confusion by the similar names!
- Evening Day Return (in some literature referred to as Super Off-Peak): £2.50. Valid only after 18:30, and again only for one day. A single is available for the same price. If you plan to leave before 09:30 but come back after 18:30, buying a combination of an Anytime Day Single and an Evening Day Single might be your cheapest bet (£6.20 vs £6.90 for the Anytime Day Return).
- Group-discounted tickets DO exist. There's a daytime group discount called GroupSave that gives you 1/3 off the anytime and off-peak day single and return fares for three or more people travelling together, BUT I believe London Midland is the only operator in the area who accept it, so once again it limits your choice of train (to about four per hour). Type GS3 into the discount box on BRFares to see the prices per person with this discount.
- There's also an evening group ticket that doesn't suffer from the same operator restrictions as it's a product of Network West Midlands. It's £6 for up to four people travelling together, and has the same validity as the evening singles and returns.
So, TL;DR: I would buy off-peak or anytime day returns as required (with route Any Permitted), each morning from the ticket machine, except for the case where you're leaving before 09:30 and returning after 18:30, in which case I'd use a combination of an Anytime Day Single and an Evening Day Single. I would forget group restrictions except where you'd normally use an evening single, when you might get a better price by buying an evening group return instead. If this is all too complex for you and money isn't that tight, just go for the Anytime Day Returns!
edited Jan 3 '17 at 13:40
answered Dec 29 '16 at 17:42
MuzerMuzer
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I have no idea how precisely correct you are but +1 (more if I could!) for an answer to UK train ticket pricing I can understand. It is the recondite pricing system as much as anything that means I usually drive.
– pnuts
Dec 29 '16 at 19:04
1
Yeah, I completely agree. It's the unfortunate circumstance though that each ticket exists for a purpose, and overhauling the whole system would be very unpopular with many people because it would necessarily increase fares for certain use cases (or reduce income for the operators). Every time the rail companies or a local authority want to introduce a discount for certain situations in which people would not have travelled before, it just adds further complication to the system as a whole (see the Evening tickets here, those are a Network West Midlands product and don't exist on most routes).
– Muzer
Jan 3 '17 at 10:01
2
IMHO one thing to improve the situation would be to make all these restrictions less arcane to discover. The new ticket layout that is being (very slowly) rolled out sort of helps by having a direct link to the restrictions information (whereas you had to know how to find it before). But what would really help is a feature that ATOC (company behind National Rail Enquiries) have promised for a long time and never delivered; having a comprehensive tool to tell you for a given ticket all the trains it's valid on.
– Muzer
Jan 3 '17 at 10:12
So we can at least hope for better times! I think I understand the economics of market segmentation but the complexity does itself have a cost, eg drives me away, computer systems, staff training, complaint handling etc etc.
– pnuts
Jan 3 '17 at 14:11
add a comment |
1
I have no idea how precisely correct you are but +1 (more if I could!) for an answer to UK train ticket pricing I can understand. It is the recondite pricing system as much as anything that means I usually drive.
– pnuts
Dec 29 '16 at 19:04
1
Yeah, I completely agree. It's the unfortunate circumstance though that each ticket exists for a purpose, and overhauling the whole system would be very unpopular with many people because it would necessarily increase fares for certain use cases (or reduce income for the operators). Every time the rail companies or a local authority want to introduce a discount for certain situations in which people would not have travelled before, it just adds further complication to the system as a whole (see the Evening tickets here, those are a Network West Midlands product and don't exist on most routes).
– Muzer
Jan 3 '17 at 10:01
2
IMHO one thing to improve the situation would be to make all these restrictions less arcane to discover. The new ticket layout that is being (very slowly) rolled out sort of helps by having a direct link to the restrictions information (whereas you had to know how to find it before). But what would really help is a feature that ATOC (company behind National Rail Enquiries) have promised for a long time and never delivered; having a comprehensive tool to tell you for a given ticket all the trains it's valid on.
– Muzer
Jan 3 '17 at 10:12
So we can at least hope for better times! I think I understand the economics of market segmentation but the complexity does itself have a cost, eg drives me away, computer systems, staff training, complaint handling etc etc.
– pnuts
Jan 3 '17 at 14:11
1
1
I have no idea how precisely correct you are but +1 (more if I could!) for an answer to UK train ticket pricing I can understand. It is the recondite pricing system as much as anything that means I usually drive.
– pnuts
Dec 29 '16 at 19:04
I have no idea how precisely correct you are but +1 (more if I could!) for an answer to UK train ticket pricing I can understand. It is the recondite pricing system as much as anything that means I usually drive.
– pnuts
Dec 29 '16 at 19:04
1
1
Yeah, I completely agree. It's the unfortunate circumstance though that each ticket exists for a purpose, and overhauling the whole system would be very unpopular with many people because it would necessarily increase fares for certain use cases (or reduce income for the operators). Every time the rail companies or a local authority want to introduce a discount for certain situations in which people would not have travelled before, it just adds further complication to the system as a whole (see the Evening tickets here, those are a Network West Midlands product and don't exist on most routes).
– Muzer
Jan 3 '17 at 10:01
Yeah, I completely agree. It's the unfortunate circumstance though that each ticket exists for a purpose, and overhauling the whole system would be very unpopular with many people because it would necessarily increase fares for certain use cases (or reduce income for the operators). Every time the rail companies or a local authority want to introduce a discount for certain situations in which people would not have travelled before, it just adds further complication to the system as a whole (see the Evening tickets here, those are a Network West Midlands product and don't exist on most routes).
– Muzer
Jan 3 '17 at 10:01
2
2
IMHO one thing to improve the situation would be to make all these restrictions less arcane to discover. The new ticket layout that is being (very slowly) rolled out sort of helps by having a direct link to the restrictions information (whereas you had to know how to find it before). But what would really help is a feature that ATOC (company behind National Rail Enquiries) have promised for a long time and never delivered; having a comprehensive tool to tell you for a given ticket all the trains it's valid on.
– Muzer
Jan 3 '17 at 10:12
IMHO one thing to improve the situation would be to make all these restrictions less arcane to discover. The new ticket layout that is being (very slowly) rolled out sort of helps by having a direct link to the restrictions information (whereas you had to know how to find it before). But what would really help is a feature that ATOC (company behind National Rail Enquiries) have promised for a long time and never delivered; having a comprehensive tool to tell you for a given ticket all the trains it's valid on.
– Muzer
Jan 3 '17 at 10:12
So we can at least hope for better times! I think I understand the economics of market segmentation but the complexity does itself have a cost, eg drives me away, computer systems, staff training, complaint handling etc etc.
– pnuts
Jan 3 '17 at 14:11
So we can at least hope for better times! I think I understand the economics of market segmentation but the complexity does itself have a cost, eg drives me away, computer systems, staff training, complaint handling etc etc.
– pnuts
Jan 3 '17 at 14:11
add a comment |
For Train times, information and pricing, see National Rail Enquiries.
For the duration of time you'll be doing this, and the fact that you may be able to travel at off-peak times, it's unlikely that a season ticket would make any sense. There may be group rates available, just put in the number of travellers when searching on national rail. It's also possible to get a railcard, however, for such a short journey, it's unlikely to be worth it unless you plan to make further use of rail travel in the UK this year.
add a comment |
For Train times, information and pricing, see National Rail Enquiries.
For the duration of time you'll be doing this, and the fact that you may be able to travel at off-peak times, it's unlikely that a season ticket would make any sense. There may be group rates available, just put in the number of travellers when searching on national rail. It's also possible to get a railcard, however, for such a short journey, it's unlikely to be worth it unless you plan to make further use of rail travel in the UK this year.
add a comment |
For Train times, information and pricing, see National Rail Enquiries.
For the duration of time you'll be doing this, and the fact that you may be able to travel at off-peak times, it's unlikely that a season ticket would make any sense. There may be group rates available, just put in the number of travellers when searching on national rail. It's also possible to get a railcard, however, for such a short journey, it's unlikely to be worth it unless you plan to make further use of rail travel in the UK this year.
For Train times, information and pricing, see National Rail Enquiries.
For the duration of time you'll be doing this, and the fact that you may be able to travel at off-peak times, it's unlikely that a season ticket would make any sense. There may be group rates available, just put in the number of travellers when searching on national rail. It's also possible to get a railcard, however, for such a short journey, it's unlikely to be worth it unless you plan to make further use of rail travel in the UK this year.
answered Nov 22 '16 at 13:13
CMasterCMaster
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Well, you could walk it. It is only 7-8 miles.. so not exactly tough. Brisk walk would get you there in under 2 hours.
But, just get the train. It's like £3-4 each way and takes about 15 mins... That's pretty crazy cheap.
I found this train and definitely will be using it, but could not find any website with pricing details where I could check for weekend offers, multiple ride tickets, group discounts (I might be there with a few friends) and so on
– jacek_wi
Nov 22 '16 at 13:03
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Well, you could walk it. It is only 7-8 miles.. so not exactly tough. Brisk walk would get you there in under 2 hours.
But, just get the train. It's like £3-4 each way and takes about 15 mins... That's pretty crazy cheap.
I found this train and definitely will be using it, but could not find any website with pricing details where I could check for weekend offers, multiple ride tickets, group discounts (I might be there with a few friends) and so on
– jacek_wi
Nov 22 '16 at 13:03
add a comment |
Well, you could walk it. It is only 7-8 miles.. so not exactly tough. Brisk walk would get you there in under 2 hours.
But, just get the train. It's like £3-4 each way and takes about 15 mins... That's pretty crazy cheap.
Well, you could walk it. It is only 7-8 miles.. so not exactly tough. Brisk walk would get you there in under 2 hours.
But, just get the train. It's like £3-4 each way and takes about 15 mins... That's pretty crazy cheap.
answered Nov 22 '16 at 12:52
davewastheredavewasthere
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I found this train and definitely will be using it, but could not find any website with pricing details where I could check for weekend offers, multiple ride tickets, group discounts (I might be there with a few friends) and so on
– jacek_wi
Nov 22 '16 at 13:03
add a comment |
I found this train and definitely will be using it, but could not find any website with pricing details where I could check for weekend offers, multiple ride tickets, group discounts (I might be there with a few friends) and so on
– jacek_wi
Nov 22 '16 at 13:03
I found this train and definitely will be using it, but could not find any website with pricing details where I could check for weekend offers, multiple ride tickets, group discounts (I might be there with a few friends) and so on
– jacek_wi
Nov 22 '16 at 13:03
I found this train and definitely will be using it, but could not find any website with pricing details where I could check for weekend offers, multiple ride tickets, group discounts (I might be there with a few friends) and so on
– jacek_wi
Nov 22 '16 at 13:03
add a comment |
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– JonathanReez♦
Nov 22 '16 at 12:44
What have you found so far?
– pnuts
Nov 22 '16 at 12:48
I found a good train connection which seems to be the way to go. I could not find any details on pricing of this connection (if there are any weekend tickets, multiple ride tickets, group discounts and so on)
– jacek_wi
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