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I came to Germany on July 8, 2017. Then, I traveled to Spain from 15 to 25 August 2017. Then I was in England from 25 August to 29 August. On August 29, 2017 I went back to Germany.
When would my 90-day visa-free period end? Would I start over from the day I re-entered Germany for another 90 days?
I am planing to return back to the US around 20 - 25 October 2017.
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I came to Germany on July 8, 2017. Then, I traveled to Spain from 15 to 25 August 2017. Then I was in England from 25 August to 29 August. On August 29, 2017 I went back to Germany.
When would my 90-day visa-free period end? Would I start over from the day I re-entered Germany for another 90 days?
I am planing to return back to the US around 20 - 25 October 2017.
schengen us-citizens 90-180-visa-rules
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I assume 90 days after your first entry in Germany, so 90 days after july 8 ?
– Max
Sep 29 '17 at 15:08
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The 90 days applies to the entire Schengen area as whole. It is not applied separately to Spain or Germany.
– Jacob Horbulyk
Sep 29 '17 at 15:41
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Where were you between the 25th of August, when you left Spain, and the 29th, when you returned to Germany?
– phoog
Sep 29 '17 at 15:59
I see from your other question (at travel.stackexchange.com/q/102986/19400) that you were in the UK. I've added an answer taking that into account.
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Sep 29 '17 at 17:42
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I came to Germany on July 8, 2017. Then, I traveled to Spain from 15 to 25 August 2017. Then I was in England from 25 August to 29 August. On August 29, 2017 I went back to Germany.
When would my 90-day visa-free period end? Would I start over from the day I re-entered Germany for another 90 days?
I am planing to return back to the US around 20 - 25 October 2017.
schengen us-citizens 90-180-visa-rules
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How does the Schengen 90/180 rule work?
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I came to Germany on July 8, 2017. Then, I traveled to Spain from 15 to 25 August 2017. Then I was in England from 25 August to 29 August. On August 29, 2017 I went back to Germany.
When would my 90-day visa-free period end? Would I start over from the day I re-entered Germany for another 90 days?
I am planing to return back to the US around 20 - 25 October 2017.
This question already has an answer here:
How does the Schengen 90/180 rule work?
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schengen us-citizens 90-180-visa-rules
schengen us-citizens 90-180-visa-rules
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I assume 90 days after your first entry in Germany, so 90 days after july 8 ?
– Max
Sep 29 '17 at 15:08
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The 90 days applies to the entire Schengen area as whole. It is not applied separately to Spain or Germany.
– Jacob Horbulyk
Sep 29 '17 at 15:41
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Where were you between the 25th of August, when you left Spain, and the 29th, when you returned to Germany?
– phoog
Sep 29 '17 at 15:59
I see from your other question (at travel.stackexchange.com/q/102986/19400) that you were in the UK. I've added an answer taking that into account.
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Sep 29 '17 at 17:42
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I assume 90 days after your first entry in Germany, so 90 days after july 8 ?
– Max
Sep 29 '17 at 15:08
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The 90 days applies to the entire Schengen area as whole. It is not applied separately to Spain or Germany.
– Jacob Horbulyk
Sep 29 '17 at 15:41
2
Where were you between the 25th of August, when you left Spain, and the 29th, when you returned to Germany?
– phoog
Sep 29 '17 at 15:59
I see from your other question (at travel.stackexchange.com/q/102986/19400) that you were in the UK. I've added an answer taking that into account.
– phoog
Sep 29 '17 at 17:42
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I assume 90 days after your first entry in Germany, so 90 days after july 8 ?
– Max
Sep 29 '17 at 15:08
I assume 90 days after your first entry in Germany, so 90 days after july 8 ?
– Max
Sep 29 '17 at 15:08
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The 90 days applies to the entire Schengen area as whole. It is not applied separately to Spain or Germany.
– Jacob Horbulyk
Sep 29 '17 at 15:41
The 90 days applies to the entire Schengen area as whole. It is not applied separately to Spain or Germany.
– Jacob Horbulyk
Sep 29 '17 at 15:41
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Where were you between the 25th of August, when you left Spain, and the 29th, when you returned to Germany?
– phoog
Sep 29 '17 at 15:59
Where were you between the 25th of August, when you left Spain, and the 29th, when you returned to Germany?
– phoog
Sep 29 '17 at 15:59
I see from your other question (at travel.stackexchange.com/q/102986/19400) that you were in the UK. I've added an answer taking that into account.
– phoog
Sep 29 '17 at 17:42
I see from your other question (at travel.stackexchange.com/q/102986/19400) that you were in the UK. I've added an answer taking that into account.
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Sep 29 '17 at 17:42
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If you stay within the Schengen area, 90 days that started on 8 July will end on midnight after 5 October. If you leave the area on the last possible day, you then need to stay outside for 90 days before you can enter again.
The 90 days you can be inside Schengen have to last you for the entire 180-day period from 8 July until 3 January. You can spread them out however you want, as long as there are no more than 90 different dates where you are inside Schengen for any part of that date.
Exiting and re-entering will not change that -- the only* way to get "more days" would be to get a national long-stay visa or residence permit from one of the member countries, which is not likely on short notice.
(After 3 January, counting gets a bit more involved because it's a rolling 180-day period, but that needs not concern you right now).
- Actually there are special arrangements with Denmark and Poland, but that will not help you if you want to be legally present in Germany after you Schengen clock has run dry.
answered Sep 29 '17 at 15:16
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Poland is a definite special case. My godson (American, though Polish-speaking) spent 10 months in Krakow. The border officer he saw on the way in told him that if he was staying that long he should leave every 90 days (Germany was recommended) and collect receipts documenting that he'd left to stay in legal status. This may require leaving the Schengen area from Poland to be safe, though.
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Germany and Spain are both in the Schengen area, so your 90-day limit applies to them together (along with all the other Schengen countries). The 90-day limit applies to every 180-day period, regardless of the number of times you leave and re-enter the Schengen area.
Because you spent three calendar days entirely outside the Schengen area (namely in the UK from 26 August through 28 August), the last day for you to leave the Schengen area is 8 October 2017. (That's 49 days from 8 July to 25 August, plus 41 days from 29 August to 8 October.)
If you leave on 8 October, you won't be able to enter the Schengen area until 4 January 2018 (180 days after 8 July 2017). If you leave earlier, then you can re-enter earlier.
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If you stay within the Schengen area, 90 days that started on 8 July will end on midnight after 5 October. If you leave the area on the last possible day, you then need to stay outside for 90 days before you can enter again.
The 90 days you can be inside Schengen have to last you for the entire 180-day period from 8 July until 3 January. You can spread them out however you want, as long as there are no more than 90 different dates where you are inside Schengen for any part of that date.
Exiting and re-entering will not change that -- the only* way to get "more days" would be to get a national long-stay visa or residence permit from one of the member countries, which is not likely on short notice.
(After 3 January, counting gets a bit more involved because it's a rolling 180-day period, but that needs not concern you right now).
- Actually there are special arrangements with Denmark and Poland, but that will not help you if you want to be legally present in Germany after you Schengen clock has run dry.
answered Sep 29 '17 at 15:16
Henning Makholm
36.9k688147
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Poland is a definite special case. My godson (American, though Polish-speaking) spent 10 months in Krakow. The border officer he saw on the way in told him that if he was staying that long he should leave every 90 days (Germany was recommended) and collect receipts documenting that he'd left to stay in legal status. This may require leaving the Schengen area from Poland to be safe, though.
– Dennis
Sep 29 '17 at 16:32
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If you stay within the Schengen area, 90 days that started on 8 July will end on midnight after 5 October. If you leave the area on the last possible day, you then need to stay outside for 90 days before you can enter again.
The 90 days you can be inside Schengen have to last you for the entire 180-day period from 8 July until 3 January. You can spread them out however you want, as long as there are no more than 90 different dates where you are inside Schengen for any part of that date.
Exiting and re-entering will not change that -- the only* way to get "more days" would be to get a national long-stay visa or residence permit from one of the member countries, which is not likely on short notice.
(After 3 January, counting gets a bit more involved because it's a rolling 180-day period, but that needs not concern you right now).
- Actually there are special arrangements with Denmark and Poland, but that will not help you if you want to be legally present in Germany after you Schengen clock has run dry.
answered Sep 29 '17 at 15:16
Henning Makholm
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Poland is a definite special case. My godson (American, though Polish-speaking) spent 10 months in Krakow. The border officer he saw on the way in told him that if he was staying that long he should leave every 90 days (Germany was recommended) and collect receipts documenting that he'd left to stay in legal status. This may require leaving the Schengen area from Poland to be safe, though.
– Dennis
Sep 29 '17 at 16:32
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If you stay within the Schengen area, 90 days that started on 8 July will end on midnight after 5 October. If you leave the area on the last possible day, you then need to stay outside for 90 days before you can enter again.
The 90 days you can be inside Schengen have to last you for the entire 180-day period from 8 July until 3 January. You can spread them out however you want, as long as there are no more than 90 different dates where you are inside Schengen for any part of that date.
Exiting and re-entering will not change that -- the only* way to get "more days" would be to get a national long-stay visa or residence permit from one of the member countries, which is not likely on short notice.
(After 3 January, counting gets a bit more involved because it's a rolling 180-day period, but that needs not concern you right now).
- Actually there are special arrangements with Denmark and Poland, but that will not help you if you want to be legally present in Germany after you Schengen clock has run dry.
answered Sep 29 '17 at 15:16
Henning Makholm
36.9k688147
If you stay within the Schengen area, 90 days that started on 8 July will end on midnight after 5 October. If you leave the area on the last possible day, you then need to stay outside for 90 days before you can enter again.
The 90 days you can be inside Schengen have to last you for the entire 180-day period from 8 July until 3 January. You can spread them out however you want, as long as there are no more than 90 different dates where you are inside Schengen for any part of that date.
Exiting and re-entering will not change that -- the only* way to get "more days" would be to get a national long-stay visa or residence permit from one of the member countries, which is not likely on short notice.
(After 3 January, counting gets a bit more involved because it's a rolling 180-day period, but that needs not concern you right now).
- Actually there are special arrangements with Denmark and Poland, but that will not help you if you want to be legally present in Germany after you Schengen clock has run dry.
answered Sep 29 '17 at 15:16
Henning Makholm
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edited Sep 29 '17 at 17:23
answered Sep 29 '17 at 15:16
Henning Makholm
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answered Sep 29 '17 at 15:16
Henning Makholm
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answered Sep 29 '17 at 15:16
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Poland is a definite special case. My godson (American, though Polish-speaking) spent 10 months in Krakow. The border officer he saw on the way in told him that if he was staying that long he should leave every 90 days (Germany was recommended) and collect receipts documenting that he'd left to stay in legal status. This may require leaving the Schengen area from Poland to be safe, though.
– Dennis
Sep 29 '17 at 16:32
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Poland is a definite special case. My godson (American, though Polish-speaking) spent 10 months in Krakow. The border officer he saw on the way in told him that if he was staying that long he should leave every 90 days (Germany was recommended) and collect receipts documenting that he'd left to stay in legal status. This may require leaving the Schengen area from Poland to be safe, though.
– Dennis
Sep 29 '17 at 16:32
1
1
Poland is a definite special case. My godson (American, though Polish-speaking) spent 10 months in Krakow. The border officer he saw on the way in told him that if he was staying that long he should leave every 90 days (Germany was recommended) and collect receipts documenting that he'd left to stay in legal status. This may require leaving the Schengen area from Poland to be safe, though.
– Dennis
Sep 29 '17 at 16:32
Poland is a definite special case. My godson (American, though Polish-speaking) spent 10 months in Krakow. The border officer he saw on the way in told him that if he was staying that long he should leave every 90 days (Germany was recommended) and collect receipts documenting that he'd left to stay in legal status. This may require leaving the Schengen area from Poland to be safe, though.
– Dennis
Sep 29 '17 at 16:32
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Germany and Spain are both in the Schengen area, so your 90-day limit applies to them together (along with all the other Schengen countries). The 90-day limit applies to every 180-day period, regardless of the number of times you leave and re-enter the Schengen area.
Because you spent three calendar days entirely outside the Schengen area (namely in the UK from 26 August through 28 August), the last day for you to leave the Schengen area is 8 October 2017. (That's 49 days from 8 July to 25 August, plus 41 days from 29 August to 8 October.)
If you leave on 8 October, you won't be able to enter the Schengen area until 4 January 2018 (180 days after 8 July 2017). If you leave earlier, then you can re-enter earlier.
answered Sep 29 '17 at 17:41
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Germany and Spain are both in the Schengen area, so your 90-day limit applies to them together (along with all the other Schengen countries). The 90-day limit applies to every 180-day period, regardless of the number of times you leave and re-enter the Schengen area.
Because you spent three calendar days entirely outside the Schengen area (namely in the UK from 26 August through 28 August), the last day for you to leave the Schengen area is 8 October 2017. (That's 49 days from 8 July to 25 August, plus 41 days from 29 August to 8 October.)
If you leave on 8 October, you won't be able to enter the Schengen area until 4 January 2018 (180 days after 8 July 2017). If you leave earlier, then you can re-enter earlier.
answered Sep 29 '17 at 17:41
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Germany and Spain are both in the Schengen area, so your 90-day limit applies to them together (along with all the other Schengen countries). The 90-day limit applies to every 180-day period, regardless of the number of times you leave and re-enter the Schengen area.
Because you spent three calendar days entirely outside the Schengen area (namely in the UK from 26 August through 28 August), the last day for you to leave the Schengen area is 8 October 2017. (That's 49 days from 8 July to 25 August, plus 41 days from 29 August to 8 October.)
If you leave on 8 October, you won't be able to enter the Schengen area until 4 January 2018 (180 days after 8 July 2017). If you leave earlier, then you can re-enter earlier.
answered Sep 29 '17 at 17:41
phoog
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Germany and Spain are both in the Schengen area, so your 90-day limit applies to them together (along with all the other Schengen countries). The 90-day limit applies to every 180-day period, regardless of the number of times you leave and re-enter the Schengen area.
Because you spent three calendar days entirely outside the Schengen area (namely in the UK from 26 August through 28 August), the last day for you to leave the Schengen area is 8 October 2017. (That's 49 days from 8 July to 25 August, plus 41 days from 29 August to 8 October.)
If you leave on 8 October, you won't be able to enter the Schengen area until 4 January 2018 (180 days after 8 July 2017). If you leave earlier, then you can re-enter earlier.
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I assume 90 days after your first entry in Germany, so 90 days after july 8 ?
– Max
Sep 29 '17 at 15:08
5
The 90 days applies to the entire Schengen area as whole. It is not applied separately to Spain or Germany.
– Jacob Horbulyk
Sep 29 '17 at 15:41
2
Where were you between the 25th of August, when you left Spain, and the 29th, when you returned to Germany?
– phoog
Sep 29 '17 at 15:59
I see from your other question (at travel.stackexchange.com/q/102986/19400) that you were in the UK. I've added an answer taking that into account.
– phoog
Sep 29 '17 at 17:42