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A friend of mine has a visa appointment at German embassy booked at 14th of June. Mine is 20th of June, as there were no earlier dates available. Now, my friend wants to cancel her appointment.



Does anyone know how soon the time she cancelled appears as available if I want to re-schedule mine?



I am aware that it takes 1-2 days to delete my information from embassy's database, which means I have to wait to be able to book an appointment. I can cancel my appointment first, then ask my friend cancel hers. I am afraid I might miss her date, so I need to know whether it appears immediately after she cancels or there is another procedure as well.










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    If it takes 1-2 days to delete from their website, it would be extremely risky for you to cancel your appointment in the hope that you can pick up your friend's appointment time. You're very unlikely to be the one person who gets that slot and then, you'll have to wait another 6+ weeks for an appointment.

    – David Richerby
    May 14 '16 at 5:52











  • Dear David, What if I delete my application 3-4 days prior my friend's deletion of hers? Then, I believe, I won't have a problem to book another appointment time. However, my question is whether the time slot appears immediately after my friend deletes her appointment. If yes, i can ask her to do so at night, and I can try to get it as soon as it appears. I hope there won't be anyone fishing for time slots at 2am :-)

    – Lina
    May 14 '16 at 5:59






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    It seems very unlikely that your plan will work. Your current appointment date, the earliest you could get, is six weeks in the future. If you cancel that appointment, it is very likely that you won't get another one within six weeks of the date you cancel the original one. If your visa application is so urgent that you think it's important to have the appointment six days earlier, I'm pretty sure you can't afford for it to be several weeks later. Just don't do it.

    – David Richerby
    May 14 '16 at 6:31






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    You need to look at the tradeoffs to see whether it is worth the risk. Is moving your appointment up to your friend's slot so beneficial that it is worth a serious risk of losing both appointments and having to wait weeks for a new appointment.

    – Patricia Shanahan
    May 14 '16 at 10:59






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    Have you considered calling the embassy and asking if you can swap spots with your friend?

    – Joe
    May 25 '16 at 15:20















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A friend of mine has a visa appointment at German embassy booked at 14th of June. Mine is 20th of June, as there were no earlier dates available. Now, my friend wants to cancel her appointment.



Does anyone know how soon the time she cancelled appears as available if I want to re-schedule mine?



I am aware that it takes 1-2 days to delete my information from embassy's database, which means I have to wait to be able to book an appointment. I can cancel my appointment first, then ask my friend cancel hers. I am afraid I might miss her date, so I need to know whether it appears immediately after she cancels or there is another procedure as well.










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  • 2





    If it takes 1-2 days to delete from their website, it would be extremely risky for you to cancel your appointment in the hope that you can pick up your friend's appointment time. You're very unlikely to be the one person who gets that slot and then, you'll have to wait another 6+ weeks for an appointment.

    – David Richerby
    May 14 '16 at 5:52











  • Dear David, What if I delete my application 3-4 days prior my friend's deletion of hers? Then, I believe, I won't have a problem to book another appointment time. However, my question is whether the time slot appears immediately after my friend deletes her appointment. If yes, i can ask her to do so at night, and I can try to get it as soon as it appears. I hope there won't be anyone fishing for time slots at 2am :-)

    – Lina
    May 14 '16 at 5:59






  • 5





    It seems very unlikely that your plan will work. Your current appointment date, the earliest you could get, is six weeks in the future. If you cancel that appointment, it is very likely that you won't get another one within six weeks of the date you cancel the original one. If your visa application is so urgent that you think it's important to have the appointment six days earlier, I'm pretty sure you can't afford for it to be several weeks later. Just don't do it.

    – David Richerby
    May 14 '16 at 6:31






  • 2





    You need to look at the tradeoffs to see whether it is worth the risk. Is moving your appointment up to your friend's slot so beneficial that it is worth a serious risk of losing both appointments and having to wait weeks for a new appointment.

    – Patricia Shanahan
    May 14 '16 at 10:59






  • 8





    Have you considered calling the embassy and asking if you can swap spots with your friend?

    – Joe
    May 25 '16 at 15:20













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A friend of mine has a visa appointment at German embassy booked at 14th of June. Mine is 20th of June, as there were no earlier dates available. Now, my friend wants to cancel her appointment.



Does anyone know how soon the time she cancelled appears as available if I want to re-schedule mine?



I am aware that it takes 1-2 days to delete my information from embassy's database, which means I have to wait to be able to book an appointment. I can cancel my appointment first, then ask my friend cancel hers. I am afraid I might miss her date, so I need to know whether it appears immediately after she cancels or there is another procedure as well.










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A friend of mine has a visa appointment at German embassy booked at 14th of June. Mine is 20th of June, as there were no earlier dates available. Now, my friend wants to cancel her appointment.



Does anyone know how soon the time she cancelled appears as available if I want to re-schedule mine?



I am aware that it takes 1-2 days to delete my information from embassy's database, which means I have to wait to be able to book an appointment. I can cancel my appointment first, then ask my friend cancel hers. I am afraid I might miss her date, so I need to know whether it appears immediately after she cancels or there is another procedure as well.







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    If it takes 1-2 days to delete from their website, it would be extremely risky for you to cancel your appointment in the hope that you can pick up your friend's appointment time. You're very unlikely to be the one person who gets that slot and then, you'll have to wait another 6+ weeks for an appointment.

    – David Richerby
    May 14 '16 at 5:52











  • Dear David, What if I delete my application 3-4 days prior my friend's deletion of hers? Then, I believe, I won't have a problem to book another appointment time. However, my question is whether the time slot appears immediately after my friend deletes her appointment. If yes, i can ask her to do so at night, and I can try to get it as soon as it appears. I hope there won't be anyone fishing for time slots at 2am :-)

    – Lina
    May 14 '16 at 5:59






  • 5





    It seems very unlikely that your plan will work. Your current appointment date, the earliest you could get, is six weeks in the future. If you cancel that appointment, it is very likely that you won't get another one within six weeks of the date you cancel the original one. If your visa application is so urgent that you think it's important to have the appointment six days earlier, I'm pretty sure you can't afford for it to be several weeks later. Just don't do it.

    – David Richerby
    May 14 '16 at 6:31






  • 2





    You need to look at the tradeoffs to see whether it is worth the risk. Is moving your appointment up to your friend's slot so beneficial that it is worth a serious risk of losing both appointments and having to wait weeks for a new appointment.

    – Patricia Shanahan
    May 14 '16 at 10:59






  • 8





    Have you considered calling the embassy and asking if you can swap spots with your friend?

    – Joe
    May 25 '16 at 15:20












  • 2





    If it takes 1-2 days to delete from their website, it would be extremely risky for you to cancel your appointment in the hope that you can pick up your friend's appointment time. You're very unlikely to be the one person who gets that slot and then, you'll have to wait another 6+ weeks for an appointment.

    – David Richerby
    May 14 '16 at 5:52











  • Dear David, What if I delete my application 3-4 days prior my friend's deletion of hers? Then, I believe, I won't have a problem to book another appointment time. However, my question is whether the time slot appears immediately after my friend deletes her appointment. If yes, i can ask her to do so at night, and I can try to get it as soon as it appears. I hope there won't be anyone fishing for time slots at 2am :-)

    – Lina
    May 14 '16 at 5:59






  • 5





    It seems very unlikely that your plan will work. Your current appointment date, the earliest you could get, is six weeks in the future. If you cancel that appointment, it is very likely that you won't get another one within six weeks of the date you cancel the original one. If your visa application is so urgent that you think it's important to have the appointment six days earlier, I'm pretty sure you can't afford for it to be several weeks later. Just don't do it.

    – David Richerby
    May 14 '16 at 6:31






  • 2





    You need to look at the tradeoffs to see whether it is worth the risk. Is moving your appointment up to your friend's slot so beneficial that it is worth a serious risk of losing both appointments and having to wait weeks for a new appointment.

    – Patricia Shanahan
    May 14 '16 at 10:59






  • 8





    Have you considered calling the embassy and asking if you can swap spots with your friend?

    – Joe
    May 25 '16 at 15:20







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If it takes 1-2 days to delete from their website, it would be extremely risky for you to cancel your appointment in the hope that you can pick up your friend's appointment time. You're very unlikely to be the one person who gets that slot and then, you'll have to wait another 6+ weeks for an appointment.

– David Richerby
May 14 '16 at 5:52





If it takes 1-2 days to delete from their website, it would be extremely risky for you to cancel your appointment in the hope that you can pick up your friend's appointment time. You're very unlikely to be the one person who gets that slot and then, you'll have to wait another 6+ weeks for an appointment.

– David Richerby
May 14 '16 at 5:52













Dear David, What if I delete my application 3-4 days prior my friend's deletion of hers? Then, I believe, I won't have a problem to book another appointment time. However, my question is whether the time slot appears immediately after my friend deletes her appointment. If yes, i can ask her to do so at night, and I can try to get it as soon as it appears. I hope there won't be anyone fishing for time slots at 2am :-)

– Lina
May 14 '16 at 5:59





Dear David, What if I delete my application 3-4 days prior my friend's deletion of hers? Then, I believe, I won't have a problem to book another appointment time. However, my question is whether the time slot appears immediately after my friend deletes her appointment. If yes, i can ask her to do so at night, and I can try to get it as soon as it appears. I hope there won't be anyone fishing for time slots at 2am :-)

– Lina
May 14 '16 at 5:59




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It seems very unlikely that your plan will work. Your current appointment date, the earliest you could get, is six weeks in the future. If you cancel that appointment, it is very likely that you won't get another one within six weeks of the date you cancel the original one. If your visa application is so urgent that you think it's important to have the appointment six days earlier, I'm pretty sure you can't afford for it to be several weeks later. Just don't do it.

– David Richerby
May 14 '16 at 6:31





It seems very unlikely that your plan will work. Your current appointment date, the earliest you could get, is six weeks in the future. If you cancel that appointment, it is very likely that you won't get another one within six weeks of the date you cancel the original one. If your visa application is so urgent that you think it's important to have the appointment six days earlier, I'm pretty sure you can't afford for it to be several weeks later. Just don't do it.

– David Richerby
May 14 '16 at 6:31




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You need to look at the tradeoffs to see whether it is worth the risk. Is moving your appointment up to your friend's slot so beneficial that it is worth a serious risk of losing both appointments and having to wait weeks for a new appointment.

– Patricia Shanahan
May 14 '16 at 10:59





You need to look at the tradeoffs to see whether it is worth the risk. Is moving your appointment up to your friend's slot so beneficial that it is worth a serious risk of losing both appointments and having to wait weeks for a new appointment.

– Patricia Shanahan
May 14 '16 at 10:59




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Have you considered calling the embassy and asking if you can swap spots with your friend?

– Joe
May 25 '16 at 15:20





Have you considered calling the embassy and asking if you can swap spots with your friend?

– Joe
May 25 '16 at 15:20










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Does anyone know how soon the time she cancelled appears as available if I want to re-schedule mine?




I admit, I have no idea. However I suspect no one knows the answer. We do however know that, at least for some countries (not necessarily Germany) appointments are released in batches (but I can't find a link for this at present). So the time interval would then depend on when your friend cancelled relative to when batches are released. You mention I am aware that it takes 1-2 days to delete my info from embassy's database. This demonstrates the system is certainly not all "real time".



But even if not in batches availability may be tailored to demand. That is, your friend's freed-up slot may never become available to you, or anyone, if it is at a time when interviewers are expected to be in shorter supply than previously anticipated. Not for Schengen but the principle is as described by immihelp:




appointment availability changes all the time as new slots open up, people cancel and reschedule their original appointment and other circumstances such as demand changes




If the centre you chose for interview expects to have say 10 interviewers available they may offer say 60 appointments per day, your friend's being one, booked some weeks ago. Since the booking maybe one or two or three of the interviewers went sick, or was dismissed or failed to make the expected return from maternity leave. Capacity at the planned rate has reduced from 60 to 54, or 48, or even 42 whereas booking may only have dropped by 1. There should be some slack in the system but it may not be enough to accommodate such imbalance and the simplest way to adjust is to start by holding on to any cancellations – without releasing them to others, you included.



Swapping slots should be discouraged anyway, hence there is incentive for the system to make doing so difficult for you. Otherwise I would expect "slot squatters" exploiting the opportunity to exchange their 'early' slot to someone in a hurry (and the money to lubricate such exchange). In due course for them the slot that was yours would be 'early' for someone else in a hurry, and more money change hands. This would also be a reason for embassy officials to be disinclined to approve an 'official' straight swap.



Regarding your Comment I hope there won't be anyone fishing for time slots at 2am you can hope but there were 2,022,870 Uniform visas (Germany) applied for in 2015. That is well over 5,000 a day (across all centres) yet it would only take one to stymie your plan. However desperate you are, it is quite likely that there are others more so, or night shift workers, or insomniacs.




realistic?




Definitely not, more harebrained.






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    Consider that if a few people cancel their appointments, an employee might get a day of holiday that they applied for and didn't get because there were too many appointments to handle. Or a cancellation might just mean that the employee doesn't have to do overtime on that day due to high workload, but can happily go home at closing hours.

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Does anyone know how soon the time she cancelled appears as available if I want to re-schedule mine?




I admit, I have no idea. However I suspect no one knows the answer. We do however know that, at least for some countries (not necessarily Germany) appointments are released in batches (but I can't find a link for this at present). So the time interval would then depend on when your friend cancelled relative to when batches are released. You mention I am aware that it takes 1-2 days to delete my info from embassy's database. This demonstrates the system is certainly not all "real time".



But even if not in batches availability may be tailored to demand. That is, your friend's freed-up slot may never become available to you, or anyone, if it is at a time when interviewers are expected to be in shorter supply than previously anticipated. Not for Schengen but the principle is as described by immihelp:




appointment availability changes all the time as new slots open up, people cancel and reschedule their original appointment and other circumstances such as demand changes




If the centre you chose for interview expects to have say 10 interviewers available they may offer say 60 appointments per day, your friend's being one, booked some weeks ago. Since the booking maybe one or two or three of the interviewers went sick, or was dismissed or failed to make the expected return from maternity leave. Capacity at the planned rate has reduced from 60 to 54, or 48, or even 42 whereas booking may only have dropped by 1. There should be some slack in the system but it may not be enough to accommodate such imbalance and the simplest way to adjust is to start by holding on to any cancellations – without releasing them to others, you included.



Swapping slots should be discouraged anyway, hence there is incentive for the system to make doing so difficult for you. Otherwise I would expect "slot squatters" exploiting the opportunity to exchange their 'early' slot to someone in a hurry (and the money to lubricate such exchange). In due course for them the slot that was yours would be 'early' for someone else in a hurry, and more money change hands. This would also be a reason for embassy officials to be disinclined to approve an 'official' straight swap.



Regarding your Comment I hope there won't be anyone fishing for time slots at 2am you can hope but there were 2,022,870 Uniform visas (Germany) applied for in 2015. That is well over 5,000 a day (across all centres) yet it would only take one to stymie your plan. However desperate you are, it is quite likely that there are others more so, or night shift workers, or insomniacs.




realistic?




Definitely not, more harebrained.






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  • 2





    Consider that if a few people cancel their appointments, an employee might get a day of holiday that they applied for and didn't get because there were too many appointments to handle. Or a cancellation might just mean that the employee doesn't have to do overtime on that day due to high workload, but can happily go home at closing hours.

    – gnasher729
    Nov 3 '16 at 9:04















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Does anyone know how soon the time she cancelled appears as available if I want to re-schedule mine?




I admit, I have no idea. However I suspect no one knows the answer. We do however know that, at least for some countries (not necessarily Germany) appointments are released in batches (but I can't find a link for this at present). So the time interval would then depend on when your friend cancelled relative to when batches are released. You mention I am aware that it takes 1-2 days to delete my info from embassy's database. This demonstrates the system is certainly not all "real time".



But even if not in batches availability may be tailored to demand. That is, your friend's freed-up slot may never become available to you, or anyone, if it is at a time when interviewers are expected to be in shorter supply than previously anticipated. Not for Schengen but the principle is as described by immihelp:




appointment availability changes all the time as new slots open up, people cancel and reschedule their original appointment and other circumstances such as demand changes




If the centre you chose for interview expects to have say 10 interviewers available they may offer say 60 appointments per day, your friend's being one, booked some weeks ago. Since the booking maybe one or two or three of the interviewers went sick, or was dismissed or failed to make the expected return from maternity leave. Capacity at the planned rate has reduced from 60 to 54, or 48, or even 42 whereas booking may only have dropped by 1. There should be some slack in the system but it may not be enough to accommodate such imbalance and the simplest way to adjust is to start by holding on to any cancellations – without releasing them to others, you included.



Swapping slots should be discouraged anyway, hence there is incentive for the system to make doing so difficult for you. Otherwise I would expect "slot squatters" exploiting the opportunity to exchange their 'early' slot to someone in a hurry (and the money to lubricate such exchange). In due course for them the slot that was yours would be 'early' for someone else in a hurry, and more money change hands. This would also be a reason for embassy officials to be disinclined to approve an 'official' straight swap.



Regarding your Comment I hope there won't be anyone fishing for time slots at 2am you can hope but there were 2,022,870 Uniform visas (Germany) applied for in 2015. That is well over 5,000 a day (across all centres) yet it would only take one to stymie your plan. However desperate you are, it is quite likely that there are others more so, or night shift workers, or insomniacs.




realistic?




Definitely not, more harebrained.






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  • 2





    Consider that if a few people cancel their appointments, an employee might get a day of holiday that they applied for and didn't get because there were too many appointments to handle. Or a cancellation might just mean that the employee doesn't have to do overtime on that day due to high workload, but can happily go home at closing hours.

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Does anyone know how soon the time she cancelled appears as available if I want to re-schedule mine?




I admit, I have no idea. However I suspect no one knows the answer. We do however know that, at least for some countries (not necessarily Germany) appointments are released in batches (but I can't find a link for this at present). So the time interval would then depend on when your friend cancelled relative to when batches are released. You mention I am aware that it takes 1-2 days to delete my info from embassy's database. This demonstrates the system is certainly not all "real time".



But even if not in batches availability may be tailored to demand. That is, your friend's freed-up slot may never become available to you, or anyone, if it is at a time when interviewers are expected to be in shorter supply than previously anticipated. Not for Schengen but the principle is as described by immihelp:




appointment availability changes all the time as new slots open up, people cancel and reschedule their original appointment and other circumstances such as demand changes




If the centre you chose for interview expects to have say 10 interviewers available they may offer say 60 appointments per day, your friend's being one, booked some weeks ago. Since the booking maybe one or two or three of the interviewers went sick, or was dismissed or failed to make the expected return from maternity leave. Capacity at the planned rate has reduced from 60 to 54, or 48, or even 42 whereas booking may only have dropped by 1. There should be some slack in the system but it may not be enough to accommodate such imbalance and the simplest way to adjust is to start by holding on to any cancellations – without releasing them to others, you included.



Swapping slots should be discouraged anyway, hence there is incentive for the system to make doing so difficult for you. Otherwise I would expect "slot squatters" exploiting the opportunity to exchange their 'early' slot to someone in a hurry (and the money to lubricate such exchange). In due course for them the slot that was yours would be 'early' for someone else in a hurry, and more money change hands. This would also be a reason for embassy officials to be disinclined to approve an 'official' straight swap.



Regarding your Comment I hope there won't be anyone fishing for time slots at 2am you can hope but there were 2,022,870 Uniform visas (Germany) applied for in 2015. That is well over 5,000 a day (across all centres) yet it would only take one to stymie your plan. However desperate you are, it is quite likely that there are others more so, or night shift workers, or insomniacs.




realistic?




Definitely not, more harebrained.






share|improve this answer














Does anyone know how soon the time she cancelled appears as available if I want to re-schedule mine?




I admit, I have no idea. However I suspect no one knows the answer. We do however know that, at least for some countries (not necessarily Germany) appointments are released in batches (but I can't find a link for this at present). So the time interval would then depend on when your friend cancelled relative to when batches are released. You mention I am aware that it takes 1-2 days to delete my info from embassy's database. This demonstrates the system is certainly not all "real time".



But even if not in batches availability may be tailored to demand. That is, your friend's freed-up slot may never become available to you, or anyone, if it is at a time when interviewers are expected to be in shorter supply than previously anticipated. Not for Schengen but the principle is as described by immihelp:




appointment availability changes all the time as new slots open up, people cancel and reschedule their original appointment and other circumstances such as demand changes




If the centre you chose for interview expects to have say 10 interviewers available they may offer say 60 appointments per day, your friend's being one, booked some weeks ago. Since the booking maybe one or two or three of the interviewers went sick, or was dismissed or failed to make the expected return from maternity leave. Capacity at the planned rate has reduced from 60 to 54, or 48, or even 42 whereas booking may only have dropped by 1. There should be some slack in the system but it may not be enough to accommodate such imbalance and the simplest way to adjust is to start by holding on to any cancellations – without releasing them to others, you included.



Swapping slots should be discouraged anyway, hence there is incentive for the system to make doing so difficult for you. Otherwise I would expect "slot squatters" exploiting the opportunity to exchange their 'early' slot to someone in a hurry (and the money to lubricate such exchange). In due course for them the slot that was yours would be 'early' for someone else in a hurry, and more money change hands. This would also be a reason for embassy officials to be disinclined to approve an 'official' straight swap.



Regarding your Comment I hope there won't be anyone fishing for time slots at 2am you can hope but there were 2,022,870 Uniform visas (Germany) applied for in 2015. That is well over 5,000 a day (across all centres) yet it would only take one to stymie your plan. However desperate you are, it is quite likely that there are others more so, or night shift workers, or insomniacs.




realistic?




Definitely not, more harebrained.







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    Consider that if a few people cancel their appointments, an employee might get a day of holiday that they applied for and didn't get because there were too many appointments to handle. Or a cancellation might just mean that the employee doesn't have to do overtime on that day due to high workload, but can happily go home at closing hours.

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  • 2





    Consider that if a few people cancel their appointments, an employee might get a day of holiday that they applied for and didn't get because there were too many appointments to handle. Or a cancellation might just mean that the employee doesn't have to do overtime on that day due to high workload, but can happily go home at closing hours.

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    Nov 3 '16 at 9:04







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Consider that if a few people cancel their appointments, an employee might get a day of holiday that they applied for and didn't get because there were too many appointments to handle. Or a cancellation might just mean that the employee doesn't have to do overtime on that day due to high workload, but can happily go home at closing hours.

– gnasher729
Nov 3 '16 at 9:04





Consider that if a few people cancel their appointments, an employee might get a day of holiday that they applied for and didn't get because there were too many appointments to handle. Or a cancellation might just mean that the employee doesn't have to do overtime on that day due to high workload, but can happily go home at closing hours.

– gnasher729
Nov 3 '16 at 9:04





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