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I'm an Australian citizen travelling to the US (first time) in early December. .. I will be sightseeing and visiting friends in the Washington DC and NY area. I will be arriving on December 2nd (can't change this)...



Now there is an event I badly want to attend on March 10th which unfortunately is after my 90 days are up. I am thinking about flying to Mexico or somewhere chilled at the end of February (my latest engagement is February 26th) and then re applying for another waiver once in Mexico. Then I would fly to Atlanta on March 9th and stay for the event which ends on March 13th after which I would fly home to Australia.



So I know that I would be attempting to re enter the US really soon after my first 90 days (like a week in Mexico), but I would be able to show proof of my intended return to Australia (my partner is waiting for me, university semester has begun, etc).



Is there anything theoretically wrong with my proposal and do you think the immigration officers would likely let me back in? As I said, I am only doing this to stay for 1 weekend and then flying home.



--- EDIT: FURTHER QUESTIONS ---



Thanks everyone for your very helpful advice.



So in terms of being let in on the initial visit (early December), would a flight to Mexico not count as an exit flight out of the US? I mean, surely lots of people buy a 1 way ticket to Mexico (or surrounding countries) with the intention of backpacking for however long they can manage.



Ie. say I get granted my ESTA and book a ticket from AUS-US on 2nd Dec and another ticket from US-MEX on 26th Feb, with no further plans at that time (I want some sun and sand after a cold US winter, and I don't have to be back in Australia until some time in March.



Then once I am in the US, say sometime in January, I decide I want to go for it and book my ticket to the event in March and also book flights from MEX-US on, say 10th March and a final flight from US-AUS on 13th March.



Would it then be safe to say that my initial entry in December wouldn't arouse any suspicion (as I have a flight to Mexico within 90 days)?



God I hate bureaucracy!



PS: At this stage unfortunately I am not able to apply for a B1/B2 visa because of time constraints. I have to wait 3 weeks for my new passport to arrive and I leave in 6 weeks :/










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  • 1





    You don't need to (nor is there any point) in applying for a new ESTA while you are out of the country. Your existing one is valid for 2 years and any number of visits. However, each time you arrive at the border, the immigration officer decides whether to grant you a visa waiver or not.

    – CMaster
    Oct 19 '16 at 12:29






  • 3





    A short trip to Mexico does not reset the Visa Waiver Program 90-day clock. See "Trips to Canada, Mexico, or nearby Islands" on this Visa Waiver Program page.

    – Patricia Shanahan
    Oct 19 '16 at 12:33






  • 2





    You already have a problem if you arrive on December second with a return flight on March 13th. Immigration probably won't check, but you don't qualify for the VWP if you don't arrive with a ticket for onward travel outside north America within 90 days. The airline could refuse to let you board unless you show them another ticket. The least expensive solution is probably to apply for a tourist visa (USD 160), which will get you a six-month entry stamp.

    – phoog
    Oct 19 '16 at 12:49







  • 1





    A few years ago I found that the 'closest' VWP reset country is Costa Rica. But nothing guarantees a reset - as others have said, its up to the discretion of the immigration officer.

    – brhans
    Oct 19 '16 at 13:17






  • 1





    I thought we'd previous established that the "canada/mexico doesn't stop the clock" thing doesn't matter if you return after the 90 days are up, only if you try to get back in less than 90 days after first entry.

    – CMaster
    Oct 19 '16 at 13:29















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I'm an Australian citizen travelling to the US (first time) in early December. .. I will be sightseeing and visiting friends in the Washington DC and NY area. I will be arriving on December 2nd (can't change this)...



Now there is an event I badly want to attend on March 10th which unfortunately is after my 90 days are up. I am thinking about flying to Mexico or somewhere chilled at the end of February (my latest engagement is February 26th) and then re applying for another waiver once in Mexico. Then I would fly to Atlanta on March 9th and stay for the event which ends on March 13th after which I would fly home to Australia.



So I know that I would be attempting to re enter the US really soon after my first 90 days (like a week in Mexico), but I would be able to show proof of my intended return to Australia (my partner is waiting for me, university semester has begun, etc).



Is there anything theoretically wrong with my proposal and do you think the immigration officers would likely let me back in? As I said, I am only doing this to stay for 1 weekend and then flying home.



--- EDIT: FURTHER QUESTIONS ---



Thanks everyone for your very helpful advice.



So in terms of being let in on the initial visit (early December), would a flight to Mexico not count as an exit flight out of the US? I mean, surely lots of people buy a 1 way ticket to Mexico (or surrounding countries) with the intention of backpacking for however long they can manage.



Ie. say I get granted my ESTA and book a ticket from AUS-US on 2nd Dec and another ticket from US-MEX on 26th Feb, with no further plans at that time (I want some sun and sand after a cold US winter, and I don't have to be back in Australia until some time in March.



Then once I am in the US, say sometime in January, I decide I want to go for it and book my ticket to the event in March and also book flights from MEX-US on, say 10th March and a final flight from US-AUS on 13th March.



Would it then be safe to say that my initial entry in December wouldn't arouse any suspicion (as I have a flight to Mexico within 90 days)?



God I hate bureaucracy!



PS: At this stage unfortunately I am not able to apply for a B1/B2 visa because of time constraints. I have to wait 3 weeks for my new passport to arrive and I leave in 6 weeks :/










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  • 1





    You don't need to (nor is there any point) in applying for a new ESTA while you are out of the country. Your existing one is valid for 2 years and any number of visits. However, each time you arrive at the border, the immigration officer decides whether to grant you a visa waiver or not.

    – CMaster
    Oct 19 '16 at 12:29






  • 3





    A short trip to Mexico does not reset the Visa Waiver Program 90-day clock. See "Trips to Canada, Mexico, or nearby Islands" on this Visa Waiver Program page.

    – Patricia Shanahan
    Oct 19 '16 at 12:33






  • 2





    You already have a problem if you arrive on December second with a return flight on March 13th. Immigration probably won't check, but you don't qualify for the VWP if you don't arrive with a ticket for onward travel outside north America within 90 days. The airline could refuse to let you board unless you show them another ticket. The least expensive solution is probably to apply for a tourist visa (USD 160), which will get you a six-month entry stamp.

    – phoog
    Oct 19 '16 at 12:49







  • 1





    A few years ago I found that the 'closest' VWP reset country is Costa Rica. But nothing guarantees a reset - as others have said, its up to the discretion of the immigration officer.

    – brhans
    Oct 19 '16 at 13:17






  • 1





    I thought we'd previous established that the "canada/mexico doesn't stop the clock" thing doesn't matter if you return after the 90 days are up, only if you try to get back in less than 90 days after first entry.

    – CMaster
    Oct 19 '16 at 13:29













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I'm an Australian citizen travelling to the US (first time) in early December. .. I will be sightseeing and visiting friends in the Washington DC and NY area. I will be arriving on December 2nd (can't change this)...



Now there is an event I badly want to attend on March 10th which unfortunately is after my 90 days are up. I am thinking about flying to Mexico or somewhere chilled at the end of February (my latest engagement is February 26th) and then re applying for another waiver once in Mexico. Then I would fly to Atlanta on March 9th and stay for the event which ends on March 13th after which I would fly home to Australia.



So I know that I would be attempting to re enter the US really soon after my first 90 days (like a week in Mexico), but I would be able to show proof of my intended return to Australia (my partner is waiting for me, university semester has begun, etc).



Is there anything theoretically wrong with my proposal and do you think the immigration officers would likely let me back in? As I said, I am only doing this to stay for 1 weekend and then flying home.



--- EDIT: FURTHER QUESTIONS ---



Thanks everyone for your very helpful advice.



So in terms of being let in on the initial visit (early December), would a flight to Mexico not count as an exit flight out of the US? I mean, surely lots of people buy a 1 way ticket to Mexico (or surrounding countries) with the intention of backpacking for however long they can manage.



Ie. say I get granted my ESTA and book a ticket from AUS-US on 2nd Dec and another ticket from US-MEX on 26th Feb, with no further plans at that time (I want some sun and sand after a cold US winter, and I don't have to be back in Australia until some time in March.



Then once I am in the US, say sometime in January, I decide I want to go for it and book my ticket to the event in March and also book flights from MEX-US on, say 10th March and a final flight from US-AUS on 13th March.



Would it then be safe to say that my initial entry in December wouldn't arouse any suspicion (as I have a flight to Mexico within 90 days)?



God I hate bureaucracy!



PS: At this stage unfortunately I am not able to apply for a B1/B2 visa because of time constraints. I have to wait 3 weeks for my new passport to arrive and I leave in 6 weeks :/










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I'm an Australian citizen travelling to the US (first time) in early December. .. I will be sightseeing and visiting friends in the Washington DC and NY area. I will be arriving on December 2nd (can't change this)...



Now there is an event I badly want to attend on March 10th which unfortunately is after my 90 days are up. I am thinking about flying to Mexico or somewhere chilled at the end of February (my latest engagement is February 26th) and then re applying for another waiver once in Mexico. Then I would fly to Atlanta on March 9th and stay for the event which ends on March 13th after which I would fly home to Australia.



So I know that I would be attempting to re enter the US really soon after my first 90 days (like a week in Mexico), but I would be able to show proof of my intended return to Australia (my partner is waiting for me, university semester has begun, etc).



Is there anything theoretically wrong with my proposal and do you think the immigration officers would likely let me back in? As I said, I am only doing this to stay for 1 weekend and then flying home.



--- EDIT: FURTHER QUESTIONS ---



Thanks everyone for your very helpful advice.



So in terms of being let in on the initial visit (early December), would a flight to Mexico not count as an exit flight out of the US? I mean, surely lots of people buy a 1 way ticket to Mexico (or surrounding countries) with the intention of backpacking for however long they can manage.



Ie. say I get granted my ESTA and book a ticket from AUS-US on 2nd Dec and another ticket from US-MEX on 26th Feb, with no further plans at that time (I want some sun and sand after a cold US winter, and I don't have to be back in Australia until some time in March.



Then once I am in the US, say sometime in January, I decide I want to go for it and book my ticket to the event in March and also book flights from MEX-US on, say 10th March and a final flight from US-AUS on 13th March.



Would it then be safe to say that my initial entry in December wouldn't arouse any suspicion (as I have a flight to Mexico within 90 days)?



God I hate bureaucracy!



PS: At this stage unfortunately I am not able to apply for a B1/B2 visa because of time constraints. I have to wait 3 weeks for my new passport to arrive and I leave in 6 weeks :/







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    You don't need to (nor is there any point) in applying for a new ESTA while you are out of the country. Your existing one is valid for 2 years and any number of visits. However, each time you arrive at the border, the immigration officer decides whether to grant you a visa waiver or not.

    – CMaster
    Oct 19 '16 at 12:29






  • 3





    A short trip to Mexico does not reset the Visa Waiver Program 90-day clock. See "Trips to Canada, Mexico, or nearby Islands" on this Visa Waiver Program page.

    – Patricia Shanahan
    Oct 19 '16 at 12:33






  • 2





    You already have a problem if you arrive on December second with a return flight on March 13th. Immigration probably won't check, but you don't qualify for the VWP if you don't arrive with a ticket for onward travel outside north America within 90 days. The airline could refuse to let you board unless you show them another ticket. The least expensive solution is probably to apply for a tourist visa (USD 160), which will get you a six-month entry stamp.

    – phoog
    Oct 19 '16 at 12:49







  • 1





    A few years ago I found that the 'closest' VWP reset country is Costa Rica. But nothing guarantees a reset - as others have said, its up to the discretion of the immigration officer.

    – brhans
    Oct 19 '16 at 13:17






  • 1





    I thought we'd previous established that the "canada/mexico doesn't stop the clock" thing doesn't matter if you return after the 90 days are up, only if you try to get back in less than 90 days after first entry.

    – CMaster
    Oct 19 '16 at 13:29












  • 1





    You don't need to (nor is there any point) in applying for a new ESTA while you are out of the country. Your existing one is valid for 2 years and any number of visits. However, each time you arrive at the border, the immigration officer decides whether to grant you a visa waiver or not.

    – CMaster
    Oct 19 '16 at 12:29






  • 3





    A short trip to Mexico does not reset the Visa Waiver Program 90-day clock. See "Trips to Canada, Mexico, or nearby Islands" on this Visa Waiver Program page.

    – Patricia Shanahan
    Oct 19 '16 at 12:33






  • 2





    You already have a problem if you arrive on December second with a return flight on March 13th. Immigration probably won't check, but you don't qualify for the VWP if you don't arrive with a ticket for onward travel outside north America within 90 days. The airline could refuse to let you board unless you show them another ticket. The least expensive solution is probably to apply for a tourist visa (USD 160), which will get you a six-month entry stamp.

    – phoog
    Oct 19 '16 at 12:49







  • 1





    A few years ago I found that the 'closest' VWP reset country is Costa Rica. But nothing guarantees a reset - as others have said, its up to the discretion of the immigration officer.

    – brhans
    Oct 19 '16 at 13:17






  • 1





    I thought we'd previous established that the "canada/mexico doesn't stop the clock" thing doesn't matter if you return after the 90 days are up, only if you try to get back in less than 90 days after first entry.

    – CMaster
    Oct 19 '16 at 13:29







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1





You don't need to (nor is there any point) in applying for a new ESTA while you are out of the country. Your existing one is valid for 2 years and any number of visits. However, each time you arrive at the border, the immigration officer decides whether to grant you a visa waiver or not.

– CMaster
Oct 19 '16 at 12:29





You don't need to (nor is there any point) in applying for a new ESTA while you are out of the country. Your existing one is valid for 2 years and any number of visits. However, each time you arrive at the border, the immigration officer decides whether to grant you a visa waiver or not.

– CMaster
Oct 19 '16 at 12:29




3




3





A short trip to Mexico does not reset the Visa Waiver Program 90-day clock. See "Trips to Canada, Mexico, or nearby Islands" on this Visa Waiver Program page.

– Patricia Shanahan
Oct 19 '16 at 12:33





A short trip to Mexico does not reset the Visa Waiver Program 90-day clock. See "Trips to Canada, Mexico, or nearby Islands" on this Visa Waiver Program page.

– Patricia Shanahan
Oct 19 '16 at 12:33




2




2





You already have a problem if you arrive on December second with a return flight on March 13th. Immigration probably won't check, but you don't qualify for the VWP if you don't arrive with a ticket for onward travel outside north America within 90 days. The airline could refuse to let you board unless you show them another ticket. The least expensive solution is probably to apply for a tourist visa (USD 160), which will get you a six-month entry stamp.

– phoog
Oct 19 '16 at 12:49






You already have a problem if you arrive on December second with a return flight on March 13th. Immigration probably won't check, but you don't qualify for the VWP if you don't arrive with a ticket for onward travel outside north America within 90 days. The airline could refuse to let you board unless you show them another ticket. The least expensive solution is probably to apply for a tourist visa (USD 160), which will get you a six-month entry stamp.

– phoog
Oct 19 '16 at 12:49





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A few years ago I found that the 'closest' VWP reset country is Costa Rica. But nothing guarantees a reset - as others have said, its up to the discretion of the immigration officer.

– brhans
Oct 19 '16 at 13:17





A few years ago I found that the 'closest' VWP reset country is Costa Rica. But nothing guarantees a reset - as others have said, its up to the discretion of the immigration officer.

– brhans
Oct 19 '16 at 13:17




1




1





I thought we'd previous established that the "canada/mexico doesn't stop the clock" thing doesn't matter if you return after the 90 days are up, only if you try to get back in less than 90 days after first entry.

– CMaster
Oct 19 '16 at 13:29





I thought we'd previous established that the "canada/mexico doesn't stop the clock" thing doesn't matter if you return after the 90 days are up, only if you try to get back in less than 90 days after first entry.

– CMaster
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Going to Mexico won't reset your VWP counter, you'd have to go a little farther than that for this to happen. However, given your entries are more than 90 days apart (97) there's no need to reset it.




If you are admitted to the United States under the VWP, you may take a
short trip to Canada, Mexico, or a nearby island and generally be
readmitted to the United States under the VWP for the remainder of the
original 90 days granted upon your initial arrival in the United
States. Therefore, the length of time of your total stay, including
the short trip, must be 90 days or less




That said, as others have pointed out, admission under VWP is always at the discretion of the border official. While technically there's nothing stopping you from trying to re-enter shortly after your 90 days, expect some questions about that. Having proof of returning to Australia and some strong ties will definitely help your case.






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  • There's no need to reset the counter if the second entry is more than 90 days after the first.

    – phoog
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  • @phoog ah yes of course, makes sense. I guess it's fine for the OP to ask for entry under VWP from Mexico then, is it ?

    – blackbird
    Oct 19 '16 at 14:20











  • Why wouldn't it be?

    – phoog
    Oct 19 '16 at 14:27











  • @phoog just checking, had a recent clash with a user about a VWP provision I didn't know about

    – blackbird
    Oct 19 '16 at 14:35











  • Was that me? I recall leaving a comment recently that I would check on something regarding the VWP, then getting distracted by something at work, and now I am unable to find the comment to follow up.

    – phoog
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It seems that your most likely problem is going to be applying for entry just two weeks after having spent 87 days in the US on the visa waiver program. Since you will be asking for a four-day admission, and will have a ticket to support your assertion that you plan to leave after four days, this is unlikely to be a huge problem. You'll probably be fine.



If probably isn't enough certainty for you, you can (as noted elsewhere) apply for a visitor visa (usually a combined B-1/B-2 visa). When you enter the US in B-1 or B-2 status, you will generally be admitted for six months. This will save you from having to leave the US between your December trip and the March event. The visa fee is USD 160.






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  • I agree that really the OP should just get a visa and be done with it. I'm sure they can work out the time constraints.

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There are a couple of possible solutions.



You could use the Mexico idea, but substituting somewhere more distant for Mexico.



The other option is to apply for a visitor visa. It costs money, and requires an interview, but normally results in admission for six months. You would need to check interview availability to see if you have time before your travel.



For both these ideas, evidence of strong long term ties to your home country and a reasonable a short term travel plan in the US is likely to be helpful.






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    An Australian citizen will normally receive a 10-year B-1/B-2 visa. The default period of admission on each entry will be six months. Also, it's not clear that going to Mexico is a problem if the second application for admission is more than 90 days after the first.

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    @phoog I'll clarify in my answer.

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Going to Mexico won't reset your VWP counter, you'd have to go a little farther than that for this to happen. However, given your entries are more than 90 days apart (97) there's no need to reset it.




If you are admitted to the United States under the VWP, you may take a
short trip to Canada, Mexico, or a nearby island and generally be
readmitted to the United States under the VWP for the remainder of the
original 90 days granted upon your initial arrival in the United
States. Therefore, the length of time of your total stay, including
the short trip, must be 90 days or less




That said, as others have pointed out, admission under VWP is always at the discretion of the border official. While technically there's nothing stopping you from trying to re-enter shortly after your 90 days, expect some questions about that. Having proof of returning to Australia and some strong ties will definitely help your case.






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  • There's no need to reset the counter if the second entry is more than 90 days after the first.

    – phoog
    Oct 19 '16 at 14:15











  • @phoog ah yes of course, makes sense. I guess it's fine for the OP to ask for entry under VWP from Mexico then, is it ?

    – blackbird
    Oct 19 '16 at 14:20











  • Why wouldn't it be?

    – phoog
    Oct 19 '16 at 14:27











  • @phoog just checking, had a recent clash with a user about a VWP provision I didn't know about

    – blackbird
    Oct 19 '16 at 14:35











  • Was that me? I recall leaving a comment recently that I would check on something regarding the VWP, then getting distracted by something at work, and now I am unable to find the comment to follow up.

    – phoog
    Oct 19 '16 at 14:36















6














Going to Mexico won't reset your VWP counter, you'd have to go a little farther than that for this to happen. However, given your entries are more than 90 days apart (97) there's no need to reset it.




If you are admitted to the United States under the VWP, you may take a
short trip to Canada, Mexico, or a nearby island and generally be
readmitted to the United States under the VWP for the remainder of the
original 90 days granted upon your initial arrival in the United
States. Therefore, the length of time of your total stay, including
the short trip, must be 90 days or less




That said, as others have pointed out, admission under VWP is always at the discretion of the border official. While technically there's nothing stopping you from trying to re-enter shortly after your 90 days, expect some questions about that. Having proof of returning to Australia and some strong ties will definitely help your case.






share|improve this answer

























  • There's no need to reset the counter if the second entry is more than 90 days after the first.

    – phoog
    Oct 19 '16 at 14:15











  • @phoog ah yes of course, makes sense. I guess it's fine for the OP to ask for entry under VWP from Mexico then, is it ?

    – blackbird
    Oct 19 '16 at 14:20











  • Why wouldn't it be?

    – phoog
    Oct 19 '16 at 14:27











  • @phoog just checking, had a recent clash with a user about a VWP provision I didn't know about

    – blackbird
    Oct 19 '16 at 14:35











  • Was that me? I recall leaving a comment recently that I would check on something regarding the VWP, then getting distracted by something at work, and now I am unable to find the comment to follow up.

    – phoog
    Oct 19 '16 at 14:36













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Going to Mexico won't reset your VWP counter, you'd have to go a little farther than that for this to happen. However, given your entries are more than 90 days apart (97) there's no need to reset it.




If you are admitted to the United States under the VWP, you may take a
short trip to Canada, Mexico, or a nearby island and generally be
readmitted to the United States under the VWP for the remainder of the
original 90 days granted upon your initial arrival in the United
States. Therefore, the length of time of your total stay, including
the short trip, must be 90 days or less




That said, as others have pointed out, admission under VWP is always at the discretion of the border official. While technically there's nothing stopping you from trying to re-enter shortly after your 90 days, expect some questions about that. Having proof of returning to Australia and some strong ties will definitely help your case.






share|improve this answer















Going to Mexico won't reset your VWP counter, you'd have to go a little farther than that for this to happen. However, given your entries are more than 90 days apart (97) there's no need to reset it.




If you are admitted to the United States under the VWP, you may take a
short trip to Canada, Mexico, or a nearby island and generally be
readmitted to the United States under the VWP for the remainder of the
original 90 days granted upon your initial arrival in the United
States. Therefore, the length of time of your total stay, including
the short trip, must be 90 days or less




That said, as others have pointed out, admission under VWP is always at the discretion of the border official. While technically there's nothing stopping you from trying to re-enter shortly after your 90 days, expect some questions about that. Having proof of returning to Australia and some strong ties will definitely help your case.







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  • There's no need to reset the counter if the second entry is more than 90 days after the first.

    – phoog
    Oct 19 '16 at 14:15











  • @phoog ah yes of course, makes sense. I guess it's fine for the OP to ask for entry under VWP from Mexico then, is it ?

    – blackbird
    Oct 19 '16 at 14:20











  • Why wouldn't it be?

    – phoog
    Oct 19 '16 at 14:27











  • @phoog just checking, had a recent clash with a user about a VWP provision I didn't know about

    – blackbird
    Oct 19 '16 at 14:35











  • Was that me? I recall leaving a comment recently that I would check on something regarding the VWP, then getting distracted by something at work, and now I am unable to find the comment to follow up.

    – phoog
    Oct 19 '16 at 14:36

















  • There's no need to reset the counter if the second entry is more than 90 days after the first.

    – phoog
    Oct 19 '16 at 14:15











  • @phoog ah yes of course, makes sense. I guess it's fine for the OP to ask for entry under VWP from Mexico then, is it ?

    – blackbird
    Oct 19 '16 at 14:20











  • Why wouldn't it be?

    – phoog
    Oct 19 '16 at 14:27











  • @phoog just checking, had a recent clash with a user about a VWP provision I didn't know about

    – blackbird
    Oct 19 '16 at 14:35











  • Was that me? I recall leaving a comment recently that I would check on something regarding the VWP, then getting distracted by something at work, and now I am unable to find the comment to follow up.

    – phoog
    Oct 19 '16 at 14:36
















There's no need to reset the counter if the second entry is more than 90 days after the first.

– phoog
Oct 19 '16 at 14:15





There's no need to reset the counter if the second entry is more than 90 days after the first.

– phoog
Oct 19 '16 at 14:15













@phoog ah yes of course, makes sense. I guess it's fine for the OP to ask for entry under VWP from Mexico then, is it ?

– blackbird
Oct 19 '16 at 14:20





@phoog ah yes of course, makes sense. I guess it's fine for the OP to ask for entry under VWP from Mexico then, is it ?

– blackbird
Oct 19 '16 at 14:20













Why wouldn't it be?

– phoog
Oct 19 '16 at 14:27





Why wouldn't it be?

– phoog
Oct 19 '16 at 14:27













@phoog just checking, had a recent clash with a user about a VWP provision I didn't know about

– blackbird
Oct 19 '16 at 14:35





@phoog just checking, had a recent clash with a user about a VWP provision I didn't know about

– blackbird
Oct 19 '16 at 14:35













Was that me? I recall leaving a comment recently that I would check on something regarding the VWP, then getting distracted by something at work, and now I am unable to find the comment to follow up.

– phoog
Oct 19 '16 at 14:36





Was that me? I recall leaving a comment recently that I would check on something regarding the VWP, then getting distracted by something at work, and now I am unable to find the comment to follow up.

– phoog
Oct 19 '16 at 14:36













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It seems that your most likely problem is going to be applying for entry just two weeks after having spent 87 days in the US on the visa waiver program. Since you will be asking for a four-day admission, and will have a ticket to support your assertion that you plan to leave after four days, this is unlikely to be a huge problem. You'll probably be fine.



If probably isn't enough certainty for you, you can (as noted elsewhere) apply for a visitor visa (usually a combined B-1/B-2 visa). When you enter the US in B-1 or B-2 status, you will generally be admitted for six months. This will save you from having to leave the US between your December trip and the March event. The visa fee is USD 160.






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  • I agree that really the OP should just get a visa and be done with it. I'm sure they can work out the time constraints.

    – Fattie
    Oct 19 '16 at 15:06















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It seems that your most likely problem is going to be applying for entry just two weeks after having spent 87 days in the US on the visa waiver program. Since you will be asking for a four-day admission, and will have a ticket to support your assertion that you plan to leave after four days, this is unlikely to be a huge problem. You'll probably be fine.



If probably isn't enough certainty for you, you can (as noted elsewhere) apply for a visitor visa (usually a combined B-1/B-2 visa). When you enter the US in B-1 or B-2 status, you will generally be admitted for six months. This will save you from having to leave the US between your December trip and the March event. The visa fee is USD 160.






share|improve this answer























  • I agree that really the OP should just get a visa and be done with it. I'm sure they can work out the time constraints.

    – Fattie
    Oct 19 '16 at 15:06













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It seems that your most likely problem is going to be applying for entry just two weeks after having spent 87 days in the US on the visa waiver program. Since you will be asking for a four-day admission, and will have a ticket to support your assertion that you plan to leave after four days, this is unlikely to be a huge problem. You'll probably be fine.



If probably isn't enough certainty for you, you can (as noted elsewhere) apply for a visitor visa (usually a combined B-1/B-2 visa). When you enter the US in B-1 or B-2 status, you will generally be admitted for six months. This will save you from having to leave the US between your December trip and the March event. The visa fee is USD 160.






share|improve this answer













It seems that your most likely problem is going to be applying for entry just two weeks after having spent 87 days in the US on the visa waiver program. Since you will be asking for a four-day admission, and will have a ticket to support your assertion that you plan to leave after four days, this is unlikely to be a huge problem. You'll probably be fine.



If probably isn't enough certainty for you, you can (as noted elsewhere) apply for a visitor visa (usually a combined B-1/B-2 visa). When you enter the US in B-1 or B-2 status, you will generally be admitted for six months. This will save you from having to leave the US between your December trip and the March event. The visa fee is USD 160.







share|improve this answer












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  • I agree that really the OP should just get a visa and be done with it. I'm sure they can work out the time constraints.

    – Fattie
    Oct 19 '16 at 15:06

















  • I agree that really the OP should just get a visa and be done with it. I'm sure they can work out the time constraints.

    – Fattie
    Oct 19 '16 at 15:06
















I agree that really the OP should just get a visa and be done with it. I'm sure they can work out the time constraints.

– Fattie
Oct 19 '16 at 15:06





I agree that really the OP should just get a visa and be done with it. I'm sure they can work out the time constraints.

– Fattie
Oct 19 '16 at 15:06











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There are a couple of possible solutions.



You could use the Mexico idea, but substituting somewhere more distant for Mexico.



The other option is to apply for a visitor visa. It costs money, and requires an interview, but normally results in admission for six months. You would need to check interview availability to see if you have time before your travel.



For both these ideas, evidence of strong long term ties to your home country and a reasonable a short term travel plan in the US is likely to be helpful.






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    An Australian citizen will normally receive a 10-year B-1/B-2 visa. The default period of admission on each entry will be six months. Also, it's not clear that going to Mexico is a problem if the second application for admission is more than 90 days after the first.

    – phoog
    Oct 19 '16 at 14:14







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    @phoog I'll clarify in my answer.

    – Patricia Shanahan
    Oct 19 '16 at 14:15















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There are a couple of possible solutions.



You could use the Mexico idea, but substituting somewhere more distant for Mexico.



The other option is to apply for a visitor visa. It costs money, and requires an interview, but normally results in admission for six months. You would need to check interview availability to see if you have time before your travel.



For both these ideas, evidence of strong long term ties to your home country and a reasonable a short term travel plan in the US is likely to be helpful.






share|improve this answer




















  • 1





    An Australian citizen will normally receive a 10-year B-1/B-2 visa. The default period of admission on each entry will be six months. Also, it's not clear that going to Mexico is a problem if the second application for admission is more than 90 days after the first.

    – phoog
    Oct 19 '16 at 14:14







  • 1





    @phoog I'll clarify in my answer.

    – Patricia Shanahan
    Oct 19 '16 at 14:15













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3







There are a couple of possible solutions.



You could use the Mexico idea, but substituting somewhere more distant for Mexico.



The other option is to apply for a visitor visa. It costs money, and requires an interview, but normally results in admission for six months. You would need to check interview availability to see if you have time before your travel.



For both these ideas, evidence of strong long term ties to your home country and a reasonable a short term travel plan in the US is likely to be helpful.






share|improve this answer















There are a couple of possible solutions.



You could use the Mexico idea, but substituting somewhere more distant for Mexico.



The other option is to apply for a visitor visa. It costs money, and requires an interview, but normally results in admission for six months. You would need to check interview availability to see if you have time before your travel.



For both these ideas, evidence of strong long term ties to your home country and a reasonable a short term travel plan in the US is likely to be helpful.







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    An Australian citizen will normally receive a 10-year B-1/B-2 visa. The default period of admission on each entry will be six months. Also, it's not clear that going to Mexico is a problem if the second application for admission is more than 90 days after the first.

    – phoog
    Oct 19 '16 at 14:14







  • 1





    @phoog I'll clarify in my answer.

    – Patricia Shanahan
    Oct 19 '16 at 14:15












  • 1





    An Australian citizen will normally receive a 10-year B-1/B-2 visa. The default period of admission on each entry will be six months. Also, it's not clear that going to Mexico is a problem if the second application for admission is more than 90 days after the first.

    – phoog
    Oct 19 '16 at 14:14







  • 1





    @phoog I'll clarify in my answer.

    – Patricia Shanahan
    Oct 19 '16 at 14:15







1




1





An Australian citizen will normally receive a 10-year B-1/B-2 visa. The default period of admission on each entry will be six months. Also, it's not clear that going to Mexico is a problem if the second application for admission is more than 90 days after the first.

– phoog
Oct 19 '16 at 14:14






An Australian citizen will normally receive a 10-year B-1/B-2 visa. The default period of admission on each entry will be six months. Also, it's not clear that going to Mexico is a problem if the second application for admission is more than 90 days after the first.

– phoog
Oct 19 '16 at 14:14





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@phoog I'll clarify in my answer.

– Patricia Shanahan
Oct 19 '16 at 14:15





@phoog I'll clarify in my answer.

– Patricia Shanahan
Oct 19 '16 at 14:15

















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